Dean shared his views on the "media" - and you wonder why he is attacked?

[cthrumatrix]

Who remember when Dean was on Hardball with Tweety (I think it was at Harvard)?

Tweety asked Dean about the media conglomerates and Dean shared how they are "too big" and he would "dismantle" them. Tweety kept pushing for Faux and GE etc...

It was clear as a bell that Dean see's the same BS in the media and the role they play (you pick the topic). And everyone of you people posting on here have complained "day in - day out" about "taking back the media"...Dean knows this is important in getting back our country. I find it interesting that here is a man who "openly" shares and supports what DU "yells about" practically every day....and I come to this board and see nothing put trying to tear down the man who will stand up to the media.

Put 2 and 2 together....everything will be done by the corporate owned media to stop this from happening.

Who on this board dis-agrees with Dean on this issue?

[Lexingtonian]

1. Funny

Kerry has been saying the same thing- for a while. But hey, if Dean says it, it must actually be important and originally his position. After all, Dean invented opposition to the Iraq war and has personally driven down Bush's approval rating! (I'm not kidding, that last claim was made to me here!)

[DarkPhenyx]

2. So, he was honest about his ideas...

...something we have been begging for in our reps, and he gets attacked for it. Gee, ever wonder why politicians lie to us?

[cthrumatrix]

14. I would say "he has a vision for what this country needs in this area"

and there is not one of you that would disagree.

The have lost the media and look at how it has cost us. This is why we bush in the WH. This is why we are in Iraq ..becuase the media acts as a doormat for this admin.

You can apply that to TV, Radio (clear channel) and most print. This is why we are here on DU.

[bearfartinthewoods]

26. but is that the vision of his left eye or right eye or what?

the eye-dea that anyone claims to know what this guy believes in is ludicrous since it changes with his poll rating..

[cthrumatrix]

27. if you watched the program ...you would see how the audience approved of

what he was sharing...just like everyone on DU talks about all day.

[blm]

30. Yes. I know I have been aware of the media bias for years

and have pointed out how they have manipulated our primary for most of last year. Others noted it as well and we were told we were being paranoid.

[Clark Campaigner]

3. I agree with what he's saying in spirit, but disagree in method

And I especially think it was really foolish to actually say it out loud on corporate owned media.

I also have questions about how much control the government should have over the free market and the press, given the 1st Amendment and all...

This is the sort of dumb thing that Dean has done to ensure he loses the nomination.

[KissMyAsscroft]

4. So what has Clark done about this that was so amazing?

*crickets*

[Lexingtonian]

5. Nothing like the

ad hominem 'defense'.

Clark has a grin that doesn't look like that of a rabid chipmunk, that's what! :D

[bitchkitty]

8. Shallow.

[Lexingtonian]

11. Yep

I thought so too.

[9119495]

25. Ad hominem attack on a man because of his grin?

I'm getting jaded again. I don't see how Democrats can win after this brewing fight. The party will be split and fractured because some Democrats are dumb enough to believe Dean is evil, or Clark is a war criminal, etc.

[blm]

34. Maybe Dean shouldn't have marched next to a sign that said Kerry = Bush

because no way did Kerry, Gephardt or Edwards deserve to be labeled like that. No way.

The tone was set by Dean EARLY last year. Thank Howie.

[blm]

20. This is what a responsible lawmaker does. Kerry on FCC

introducing resolution to overturn FCC decision.

http://sbc.senate.gov/democrat/108press/june203.html

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."

[cthrumatrix]

22. Maybe Kerry and Dean can make "the media" more of an issue.

People need a free and open press.

I like a candidate who openly can criticize Faux for what they are. Who on this board hasn't yelled at the TV when Faux lies, decieves and spins for shrub?

[blm]

28. See, you and I see something completely different.

I see Dean being built up early through media complicity because Kerry had them targeted last June and BushInc. needed Kerry off the national stage before the BCCI trial started up in England, plus they knew that Rand Beers and Joe Wilson were working with Kerry.

OF COURSE they needed Kerry muted before the American people focused on the election and the Dem nominee. What better way than keep Dean in the news and dampen Kerry's coverage?

You do know that Frank Luntz said that Dean won after every debate don't you? Please.....put 2 + 2 together yourself. To me it adds up to Dean was the TOOL that the media used to marginalize Bush's and their most dangerous opponent.

[cthrumatrix]

31. We do see things differently....truth is in the middle

I think Dean's campaign took the country by surprise becuase of the "grass roots internet approach" not an endorsement by the media.

The media covered him and Dean came out swinging.

Did the media get the "memo" that says be careful for what you wish for? Who knows.

On Kerry... the media could have certainly controlled coverage and probably for reasons like BCCI and other.

I believe in either case..the media is a tool used by the "elite". And the elite would prefer Bush in office. Hence you need a campaign which does NOT rely on media distortion and perhaps Dean can do that.

[blm]

33. The media distortion works best in a primary.

Especially with so many candidates, so who gets the attention is CRUCIAL. Dean's numbers did NOT require a press plane in June.

In fact, if the press wanted to legitimately focus on him as a candidate on the rise, they would have examined his real stances on the issues and not relied on image. Instead they helped to create the image of Dean as the antiwar liberal, when we all know he was not either antiwar or liberal.

[wndycty]

6. Well Dean needs to take responsibility for his actions . . .

. . .many of his attacks were provoked by his attacking others. He is in fact attacking Clark, his campaign has admitted it.

[Mairead]

7. Could you give us a cite to his policy statement on it -- I can't find it

I follow Si Kahn's recommendation--if it isn't embodied in a policy statement, it isn't real. But I couldn't find this among his policy statements. Could you give us a pointer to it? Because if it's real, then it's a big point in his favor.

[SahaleArm]

10. If you read the Hardball transcript you can see Dean say yes-no-maybe n/t

[KissMyAsscroft]

13. Or you can see Clark say nothing.

nt

[SahaleArm]

16. Lie to me - I'll still believe you...

MATTHEWS: Travel, the Democrats’ Ted Kennedy was part of that deregulation, the deregulation of radio. There are so many things that have been deregulated. Is that wrong trend and would you reverse it?

DEAN: I would reverse in some areas.

First of all, 11 companies in this country control 90 percent of what ordinary people are able to read and watch on their television. That’s wrong. We need to have a wide variety of opinions in every community. We don’t have that because of Michael Powell and what George Bush has tried to do to the FCC.

MATTHEWS: Would you break up Fox?

MATTHEWS: I’m serious.

DEAN: I’m keeping a...

MATTHEWS: Would you break it up? Rupert Murdoch has “The Weekly Standard.” It has got a lot of other interests. It has got “The New York Post.” Would you break it up?

DEAN: On ideological grounds, absolutely yes, but...

MATTHEWS: No, seriously. As a public policy, would you bring industrial policy to bear and break up these conglomerations of power?

DEAN: I don’t want to answer whether I would break up Fox or not, because, obviously

MATTHEWS: Well, how about large media enterprises?

DEAN: Let me-yes, let me get...

DEAN: The answer to that is yes.

I would say that there is too much penetration by single corporations in media markets all over this country. We need locally-owned radio stations. There are only two or three radio stations left in the state of Vermont where you can get local news anymore. The rest of it is read and ripped from the AP.

MATTHEWS: So what are you going to do about it? You’re going to be president of the United States, what are you going to do?

DEAN: What I’m going to do is appoint people to the FCC that believe democracy depends on getting information from all portions of the political spectrum, not just one.

MATTHEWS: Well, would you break up GE?

DEAN: I can’t-you...

MATTHEWS: GE just buys Universal. Would you do something there about that? Would you stop that from happening?

DEAN: You can’t say-you can’t ask me right now and get an answer, would I break up X corp...

MATTHEWS: We’ve got to do it now, because now is the only chance we can ask you, because, once you are in, we have got to live with you.

DEAN: No.

MATTHEWS: So, if you are going to do it, you have got to tell us now.

MATTHEWS: Are you going to break up the giant media enterprises in this country?

DEAN: Yes, we’re going to break up giant media enterprises. That doesn’t mean we’re going to break up all of GE.

What we’re going to do is say that media enterprises can’t be as big as they are today. I don’t think we actually have to break them up, which Teddy Roosevelt had to do with the leftovers from the McKinley administration.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3607157/

[Hoosier Democrat]

9. I think it took a lot of guts

Like him or hate him, Dean has guts. If we can all put out candidate preferences aside for a moment, we'll see that DEAN IS RIGHT!

The so-called "Free press" have betrayed their role as guardians of our Democracy. I have been wondering since the 200 campaign why they never seem to look to closely at His Fraudulency. Remember back in 1992, they couldn't get enough of Clinton's "draft dodging". What did we have, a month of news stories about it.

Then along comes Dumb-ya, who went AWOL for the last year of his national guard duty, was never punished, and then had the gall to play dress-up in a flight suit in a cynical political ploy. Have the media examined Bush's military record??? When I told a group of Vietnam Vets at our local watering hole about Bush's stellar career in the Texas Air National Guard, they were a bit pissed. Especially the one who left Vietnam one of his legs to remember him by.

[cthrumatrix]

12. Exactly...he sees how "fair media" is important to this country and people

bash him for this...amazing.

ALL of you should be saying..."you know he has a point...he's right"

[blm]

29. Then why didn't Dean back up Kerry and say he was right back in June?

If you really believe that Dean is speaking from his sense of fairness, then where was his support for Kerry's effort?

Couldn't Dean at least have said... "You know he has a point...he's right."

[KissMyAsscroft]

15. The press is bought off!

If you are the CEO of AOL/TIME WARNER?DISNEY?NABISCO?WHATEVER THE FUCK IT IS THIS WEEK....would you support the candidate that.

A)Wants to approve your mega-merger and give you billions of dollars of tax breaks and unparalled power and influence

or...

B) Break you up for the good of the country


Hmmm....thats a really "tough" call for a CEO to make isn't it?

They are going to trash any candidate who wants to do something about it, so what's the point of Clark "hiding" his views. He's a Dem! They are going to trash him anyway!

[cthrumatrix]

18. So ....Dean is right....and taking back the media is important...

All of us should be standing up for what exactly "we" as a group cry about everyday.

Who here wouldn't like to see Faux called out for who they are. For a free press to investigate all that should be? For transparency in our political process.

We complain about it...and you have somebody that agrees with you.

[newyawker99]

32. Hi Hoosier Democrat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[blm]

17. Get REAL. Kerry went after FCC in June, then media gave Dean press plane

shortly after.


Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"
Commission decision may violate laws protecting small businesses; Kerry to file Resolution of Disapproval

Washington, DC - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.

Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."

[cthrumatrix]

19. good for Kerry... and good for any candidate that is willing to take on

the media.

[blm]

21. Yes...but about your theory that Dean is now being attacked by the media

because he said something on a show - what does your theory meter suspect now that you see what Kerry did last June? And bear in mind how long the corporate media ignored Kerry even during big moments for his campaign...like the lack of coverage of Fire Fighters' endorsement. Post 9-11 this was the biggest one you could get.

They didn't cover his speech at the VFW convention because he TROUNCED Condi and Rumsfeld who were received poorly by the vets.

Yet, they always had time to cover Dean.

[cthrumatrix]

23. My meter says if Kerry were leading they would do the same.

[blm]

24. No. You said it was media retaliation for Dean's words against them.

So...then what happened last June?

Could Dean's press plane have been granted to him as retaliation against Kerry's REAL legal efforts against them? Or maybe because BushInc. knew BCCI trial was coming up in less than a year? Or because BushInc. knew that Rand Beers and Joe Wilson were working with Kerry?