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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:31 PM
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What the difference in reaction to Geithner and Daschle's tax issues tells us
Geithner had a rarer circumstance, he worked overseas as an independent contractor for a foreign entity (as I understand it). I can understand that might be a more esoteric circumstance than TurboTax might be equipped to deal with (although for God's sake, you would think a guy like him would have a tax accountant)and one that was far enough distanced from the working scenarios of our Congress critters that they all felt comfy taking jabs ,making snide comments and working the outrage.

Now here comes Daschle, with what I think is the far stinkier scenario. Hundred plus thousands of unpaid unpaid tax dollars on transportation perks provided to him by a fatcat friend, employer, whatever you want to call the guy. And suddenly, everybody on both sides of the aisle is saying, "No biggy, he's taken care of it, I don't see this being a hindrance, etc. etc. etc."

Now, what conclusion can a thinking person draw from this?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:32 PM
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1. a certain new president is willing to allow this tax dodger into the cabinet? nt
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:37 PM
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2. And the difference doesn't end there.
Daschle misled Obama's team and he knowingly hid his tax fraud.

Worse, he has been lobbying without registering as a lobbyist.

This secret riding around in a healthcare executive's car all year for "free" shows how sullied Tom and Linda Daschle are. He is slime. He hurts Obama.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:52 PM
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3. I have to agree.
Daschle's circumstance is a lot fishier than Geithner's, which seems more like a stupid oversight. Daschle probably should be replaced.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 12:30 AM
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4. yes Dave that guy needs to go!
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 01:22 AM
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5. Dump Him - He's Old Washington - Not Letting The Vetting Team Know About His Problem......
shows that he is untrustworthy. President Obama doesn't need more problems or the embarrassment. Dump Daschle.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 08:17 AM
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6. Well, the conclusion that I draw is that they can barely hear each other to discuss it
because of the noise from all the skeletons rattling in the closets. Who loves free transportaion, trips and legalized graft better than our Congress critters. Can you say junket?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 08:55 AM
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9. Oh, yes! they are afraid that somebody will dig up stuff on their own grafty stuff
if they go on the record opposing Daschle. I love it!

However, I don't like either appointment. Something about Geithner that I don't like and it's not just the tax thing (which I don't excuse because it was just "stupid" -- since when is it ok to hire stupid for Treasury Sec'y?).

And the Daschle thing is a deal breaker IMO. I can't believe he is the "only" guy we can get to deal with Congress on health care. Plus it looks like he's more in league with the health care industry than with those of us wanting Single Payer. What is the logic there?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 08:28 AM
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7. The Daschle thing is much stinkier than Geitner.
Geitner's mistake was a common one and really not a big deal. Daschle, on the other hand, is in your face. I don't like him anyways because he's too cozy with big insurance, so I know I'm biased.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 08:34 AM
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8. I also think that the reports he knew of the issue in June but didn't reveal
it to Obama's people at the time is also revealing - not in a good way.

I have never been a Daschle fan - I never thought he was particulalry effective in leadership roles in the Senate. Plus, I have always been upset about the "no negotiation" clause with drug companies under the cloak of "non-interference" which he ran up the flagpole. (He wasn't alone in that, by the way - just more bipartisan group complicity in not looking after the interests of the American people.)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 09:01 AM
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10. Harkin statement on Geithner...
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8922441

"...However, after careful deliberation, I simply have not been able to overcome my very serious reservations about this nominee.

As Treasury Secretary, Mr. Geithner would oversee the Internal Revenue Service and would be responsible for ensuring that Americans pay their taxes as required by law. Yet it has come to light that while he was serving as a senior official at the International Monetary Fund, Mr. Geithner failed to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes. He has stated this was an innocent mistake and that there was no intent to deliberately avoid paying the required taxes.

However, the IMF informs us that in order to avoid exactly this kind of situation, its U.S. citizen employees are fully informed of their obligation to pay Social Security and Medicare taxes and must sign a form acknowledging that they understand this obligation.

Moreover, the IMF gives its U.S. citizen employees quarterly wage statements that detail their U.S. tax liabilities. The IMF pays its U.S. citizen employees an amount equal to the employer's half of the payroll taxes with the expectation that the individual will use that money to pay the IRS.

So a serious question is raised as to how a person of Mr. Geithner's financial sophistication could run the gauntlet of these many warnings and quarterly reminders and still somehow innocently overlook his obligation to pay these payroll taxes.


I am also troubled by the fact that when the IRS audited Mr. Geithner in 2006 and discovered that he had not paid his payroll taxes from 2001 to 2004, he, Mr. Geithner, repaid the taxes only for 2003 and 2004. After that audit, he chose not to repay the taxes for 2001 and 2002, years for which the statute of limitations had expired.

Surely, if the failure to pay the payroll tax was an innocent mistake and oversight, then Mr. Geithner would have been eager to make amends by willingly paying the payroll taxes for 2001 and 2002, regardless of the statute of limitations. But he chose not to do so until he learned he was going to be nominated for Treasury Secretary.

Given this record of failing to pay taxes, if confirmed as Treasury Secretary, how could Mr. Geithner speak with any credibility or authority as the Nation's chief tax enforcer? Would his admonition be: Do as I say, not as I do? That is not acceptable.

Unfortunately, on another point, Mr. Geithner has been equally unwilling to accept responsibility with regard to his role in the current financial meltdown. As president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Mr. Geithner was a key regulator of the large, mostly New York-based financial institutions that have been at the center of this meltdown. Their reckless practices--reckless practices--have brought America's financial system to its knees, pitching our economy into what could be the longest, deepest recession since the Great Depression.

I am specifically concerned about Mr. Geithner's history vis-a-vis Citigroup, which has now received $52 billion in taxpayer money..."

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