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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:32 PM
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Poll question: Do you want universal health care or do you want Dean?
Universal health care will not be easy to pass. Howard Dean is a divisive figure with no experience in Congress, is hated by the Republican members of Congress and some of the Democrats.

Do you want someone who can get a good universal health care plan passed or do you want to reward Dean with a patronage job? Where are your priorities?
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:34 PM
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1. False poll
I want Dean because I believe he can deliver the Obama plan. Which is not quite UHC.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:42 PM
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5. Why?
Why is Dean more able to deliver the Obama plan than someone who served in Congress?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:16 PM
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19. Perhaps because he already delivered one
Are we all forgetting that Dean brought universal health to Vermont?

He has experience in this area that no other potential nominee possesses.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:50 PM
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11. Yes. False Poll.
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 02:50 PM by cyclezealot
Or maybe, we'd rather have a health care plan that does not work. I'd hope Dean would shame them into getting the system the American people deserve.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:35 PM
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2. The two are not mutually exclusive
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 02:48 PM by supernova
Regardless of who's at HHS, WE are the ones who are going to have to exert pressure on Congress (esp the repubs and DLCers) to pass UHC.

They won't come up with it on their own. We will have to do it for them. In short, they will have to be too terrified NOT to pass it.

edit: That is OUR job. }( }(
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:41 PM
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4. Yep. And we've got to somehow let it be known that they WILL NOT
get re-elected unless we DO have UHC. And we know there's going to be a lot of resistance.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:43 PM
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6. What is your priority?
Someone who has actually passed a bill in Congress before or Howard Dean?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:47 PM
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10. A passed bill with no substance isn't a winner either
which is what Daschle would have given us... in all probability.

Sorry, I want a bill that addresses actual problems with actual solutions, not a peaon to the insurance industry.

What is your priority?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:39 PM
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3. Option 5: An honestly-worded poll devoid of false choices
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:44 PM
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8. The poll reflects my honest opinion.
You're free to disagree, but complaining about the poll isn't an argument.

Which is more important to you? Having Dean or someone who knows how to get a bill through Congress?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:20 PM
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24. If your opinion was used to create the poll, then you admit bias
Did you ever consider that people might have other opinions and that those opinions should be presented honestly as poll choices?

And I would like to have Dean precisely because I think he can get this bill through Congress...or at least he'll be effective because he knows the process from the executive branch...something a legislator knows shit about. this is not a legislative appointment.

You false dichotomy makes you intellectual dishonest on this issue, and it is transparent.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:24 PM
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25. gasp! bias!
This isn't right wing talk radio. Bias isn't an ugly word here.

The poll is meant to spur a discussion about priorities.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:58 PM
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29. Y'know that "push polling" is illegal in New Hampshire, right? (NT)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 10:16 PM
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37. ZOMG!! I HOPE THEY DON'T THROW ME IN JAIL!!!
It's a discussion board. You don't like the poll. Too fucking bad. Get over it and discuss the issue it raises.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 09:59 AM
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42. Discuss the question? Golly, so I did below using the immortal words of Marisa Tomei! (NT)
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Every Man A King Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:44 PM
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7. Congrats
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 02:44 PM by Every Man A King
You managed to make a poll dumber than the Taliban one.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:45 PM
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9. !!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:54 PM
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12. I want single -payer health care, Medicare for All!
Now is Dean for that?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:55 PM
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13. No.
Unless he changed his mind recently.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:57 PM
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14. A Republican could get another insurance company plan through.
But I really don't want that. It's time to grow a pair.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:58 PM
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15. You mean Universal Health Insurance, right?
:shrug:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:02 PM
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17. Like Dean's old plan?
I prefer single payer. But at least Obama's campaign plan doesn't force everyone into the insurance industry.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:17 PM
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20. "force everyone into the insurance industry"
You do realize that's a RW talking point.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:25 PM
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26. I usually hear it as a left wing talking point
by those who support single payer.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:59 PM
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16. I want Kucinich
It's common knowledge Kucinich is passionate advocate for Universal Single Payer Health Care for ALL (HR 676), he's thorough, he's fair, and above all, he's not a quitter. I have little doubt that given a platform and a budget he could easily rally the public in demand of single-payer. Kucinich would be my choice anyway.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:03 PM
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18. I want something like MEDICADE for all
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 03:04 PM by trueblue2007
I am sick and tired of paying almost 200 bucks a month for a really rotten insurance. I want insurance as good as Congress gets.

Who is gonna give me that???

That is who I want.

I DEMAND THAT.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:18 PM
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21. Jeesh, you do polls for CNN too?
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:18 PM
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22. It's too bad there's no time left to change your username
to "Centrist Shill."

Truth in advertising, my friend.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:28 PM
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27. It was already taken
by Dean.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:21 PM
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33. Chad?
Is that you?
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:18 PM
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23. Another big vote here for a Medicare for all system.
:kick:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:52 PM
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28. To quote Marisa Tomei: "It's a *BULLSHIT* question!"
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 05:56 PM by Tesha
But if it weren't a bullshit question, I'd pick Howard Dean
because he'd likely *GET* us universal health care.



Tesha

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:11 PM
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31. well
Marisa Tomei was great in war inc



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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:19 PM
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32. I think Marissa Tomei is hotter today than she was in My Cousin Vinny.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:54 PM
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34. agreed
most definitely.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 11:48 PM
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40. Quick somebody make a poll on the subject..
:rofl:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 01:00 AM
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41. good idea!
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:00 PM
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30. I voted for the second option, but only because your poll is so ridiculous. Being contrary is fun.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:44 PM
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35. I don't give a shit about bills leaving private health insurance intact n/t
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:51 PM
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36. I don't think we'll get either one.
I'd like both but we'll get neither.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 11:06 PM
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38. You're probably right. We were suppose to get Medicare for All a few years after Medicare was ....
passed in I think 1965.

44 years later we're still waiting for the Democrats to pass Medicare for All.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 11:46 PM
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39. I want a Secretary of Health and Human Services that is hated by the Republicans!
That means he's doing something right!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:34 AM
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43. Stupid poll.
False choice. You're either not too bright or intellectually dishonest. Sad either way.

Julie
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