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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:22 AM
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Obama Expands Mission Of Faith-Based Program To Include Muslim Outreach, Abortion Reduction
FEBRUARY 5, 2009 Faith-Based Program Gets Wider Focus

By LAURA MECKLER
WASHINGTON -- When President Barack Obama launches his version of the faith-based initiative Thursday, he will expand the mission to include abortion reduction and outreach to the Muslim world. He will also try to avoid the thorniest constitutional issues that beset the program for years under his predecessor.


Mr. Obama's goal, much like President George W. Bush's, is to harness the power of churches and other religious groups to solve some of the nation's toughest social problems. But almost from the start, the Bush plan was ensnared by constitutional questions about the separation between church and state, most notably whether an organization that received tax dollars can make hiring decisions on the basis of religion.

As a candidate, Mr. Obama came down firmly against such hiring. But on Thursday, he will take a more nuanced position, saying that these issues should be decided on a case-by-case basis, said Joshua DuBois, the 26-year-old former campaign adviser who will be named to head the White House Office for Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships.


"The president found one of the problems with the previous initiative was that tough questions were decided without appropriate consideration and data," Mr. DuBois said in an interview Wednesday. President Obama, he said, "doesn't have an interest in rushing questions that are so complex."


Instead, the president will sign an executive order making clear that the director of the new office should seek guidance from the Department of Justice on specific legal issues regarding "how to respect the Constitution" and nondiscrimination laws, Mr. DuBois said.


The same case-by-case approach will govern another tricky question: whether federal funds can pay for secular portions of programs that also include proselytization, he said.

That approach will likely anger some on the left who were hoping for a clean break with the Bush policy. In a speech last July, Mr. Obama presented a more clear-cut view of how to draw the constitutional line. "If you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them or against the people you hire on the basis of their religion," he said then.

But the new approach will please people like David Kuo, who was deputy director of the Bush faith-based office, and who says that too much energy was spent on questions that have little impact in the real world. He said that very few charities actually discriminate in their hiring.


"Bush tried to say, 'OK, we're going to open everything up to hiring' and got caught up in this massive Washington fight," Mr. Kuo said. "My fear is Obama will take the opposite view and he'll get embroiled in the same swamp."

In unveiling the office Thursday at a morning prayer breakfast, Mr. Obama will set out a structure that is similar to the Bush program: a White House office supplemented by offices in 11 federal agencies. He will add a new 25-member advisory council made up of a diverse group of religious and some secular leaders.

The office will be given four specific missions, including an administration effort to reduce teen pregnancy and reduce the need for abortion. The goals, Mr. DuBois said, will include ensuring access to health care and support for adoption.

The office also will also be asked to encourage interfaith dialogue "at home and, more pressingly, abroad," he said. He said the president he won't necessarily single out any particular part of the world, clearly outreach to Muslim nations will be part of the mix. In addition, the office will be asked to engage organizations in helping people deal with the economic crisis, and addressing fatherhood issues, a longtime interest of the president.

Write to Laura Meckler at laura.meckler@wsj.com


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123379504018650159.html
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:40 AM
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1. Imagine if there was Wiccan outreach....
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:46 AM
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5. Exactly & Wiccans who don't believe in Church/State Separation should jump right in.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:49 AM
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6. On Abortion-every unwanted pregnancy begins with a man engaging in unprotected sex.
There is the moment for male decision making. Control your own bodies men.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 01:26 AM
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7. and one woman allowing that man to engage in unprotected sex
as well

it takes two
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 02:17 AM
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10. And the female rape victim, right?
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:08 AM
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13. Wiccans don't proselytize
Since we make no attempts to "convert" people, they could benefit from the outreach without having to endure the shoving-Jaysus-down-yer-throat bullshit.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:40 AM
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20. Bingo !!
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:43 AM
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21. Wiccans do believe in separation of church and state and do not seek to convert others.
When is the last time you heard someone ask "Have you accepted Cernunnos as your Lord and Savior?"

(of course, we don't see gods as saviors, so it doesn't make any sense, but you get my meaning)
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 02:46 AM
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12. Cool! Any fellow Rastafarians out there?
:smoke:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:29 PM
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Proselytize, convert a large number of people, and become the dominant religion within a culture
or a country, and ensure that culture or country becomes a major player in American society or in American foreign policy.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:42 AM
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2. Very troubling & very wrong to give money to organizations that discriminate agnst women


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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:44 AM
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3. We need to dump all 'faith' based baloney.
Akkkkkkk!
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:45 AM
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4. Sharia Law initiatives may be coming. We cannot allow competing law systems.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 02:00 PM
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27. Be quiet. God wins. Period.
Forget the First Amendment. Forget "ceremonial deism"; "In God We Trust" is on our money as proof that this is a religious nation, and regardless of defying the Constitution, more and more of this ugliness is going to be rammed down your throat like a Fois Gras Goose.

Religion is good. Religion is better than a lack of religion. Ask any genitally mutilated Muslim woman. Ask any choirboy. Jonestown was heaven on earth. Those people killed in a suicide bombing had it coming, and the bomber DESERVES those 72 virgins. Presumably those virgins deserve it, too, because by the Muslim worldview, there must be a superabundance of "bad" females.

The problem with religion is that, by definition, IT WINS. It's morally better and it is above reproach or questioning. It never needs explanation, and the mere statement of it's endorsement makes any policy it advances a necessity. It is inherently conservative and anti-democratic.

People don't seem to get this. They think it's a little thing. They laugh and snicker at the extreme racism and xenophobia of the "40 Days of Faith and Family" cavalcade in South Carolina last year, and praise it as Obama's tactical genius. I don't. I see it as the soul of unscrupulousness, and a true danger: religion transcends logic, and thus morality, honesty, coexistence and restraint. I don't think he hates gays, I think the homophobia of black gospel culture was an unforeseen bit of collateral damage.

This is not a little thing.

Coupling this with the consistent Clintonian rightward tacking of the administration, and we're seeing the end of secularity in our politics, and the encapsulation and marginalization of liberalism.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 01:32 AM
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8. Envision puke icon n/t
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 01:45 AM
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9. He said it correctly then...
In a speech last July, Mr. Obama presented a more clear-cut view of how to draw the constitutional line. "If you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them or against the people you hire on the basis of their religion,"

That should be the stance. Period.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 02:38 AM
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11. OMG we're doomd!! I knew we shouldn't have elected a Muslin
:evilgrin:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:05 AM
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15. Not everybody cottoned to it.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:51 AM
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14. Notice how sexual orientation didn't make the cut, fancy that
so the Baptist day care must hire Jewish applicants but can still refuse to hire gay ones. Nice, real nice.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:49 AM
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23. Obama hates the gays, we were used and now he is done with us.
Not a shock if you ask me
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:41 AM
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16. He said then...now he says something else.
In a speech last July, Mr. Obama presented a more clear-cut view of how to draw the constitutional line. "If you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them or against the people you hire on the basis of their religion."

And now he says discimination should be allowed in 'some cases'. We all know what Josh DuBois means by that. His prejudices are transparent.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:48 AM
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17. Access to healthcare and support for adoption? May be they could start by educating these kids
so they can avoid a pregnancy. That would be a great first step. And that starts by getting rid of abstinence only.


The office will be given four specific missions, including an administration effort to reduce teen pregnancy and reduce the need for abortion. The goals, Mr. DuBois said, will include ensuring access to health care and support for adoption.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:54 AM
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18. Reducing teen pregnancy is good, but how will they do that?
By encouraging abstinence or use of condoms?

What does "abortion reduction" entail? Hopefully not the same scare tactics the religious right has used in the past to "counsel" pregnant teens.
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:37 AM
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19. I LOVE the idea of investing in abortion reduction -- and I couldn't
be more pro choice!! YAY OBAMA!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:46 AM
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22. why does it have to be faith-based???
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Fire_brand Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 01:34 PM
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25. many americans are organized around their faiths
rather than building an infastructure from the ground up, there are organzations already in place that you can work within to get people mobilized.

Same reason the civil rights movement was facilitated through church groups in most cases
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:27 PM
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28. I DISAGREE
we should not be giving money to homophobic, anti-women "faiths"
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 12:09 PM
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24. real, factual, sexual /social education by real teachers would reduce


teen pregnancy.

and religion would have NO part in any of it.

teen boys are in desperate need of sexual/social education. I'll say it again. desperate need.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 01:48 PM
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26. Thou shalt not Screw
Don't you get it? Jesus is king. That's been the heart and soul of this campaign from the beginning. It's pernicious, continuous, nuanced, relentless and you can't stop it.

We can't go around educating our children about sex; God would be mad. God punishes people with unwanted children, and it is their duty to their lord to shoulder the burden; abortion is a crime against God because its an act of trying to defy God's will and duck God's punishment.

I don't know how thoroughly sincere our President's beliefs are, but it's been completely obvious for two years now how unwavering he is in endorsing, using and promoting religion.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:29 PM
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29. HA HA!! Watch how quickly the wing nuts find the "establishment clause" in the Constitution now...
that Obama wants to include Muslims in "faith based" gov't programs...

oh here it was all the time...

:rofl:
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