So WTF happened President Obama gets to D.C. and turns into a Washington insider ?

[democracy1st]

1. They allow Representative David R. Obey to author this weak stimulus bill
2. They allow the Republicans to frame the debate
3. They allow the media to mischaracterize polls and the content of the bill
4. The President seeks bi partisan support without even having full democratic support
5. They legitimize the GOP failures with all the tax cuts

[Solomon]

1. Only five items on your list? That's mighty magnamimous

of you. I'm sure this thread will soon be filled with all the things you missed.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

2. I think you should wait at least three full weeks before you make any judgements

Obama's going to be a great president--please don't overlook all the good he's already done.

[grannie4peace]

3. amen!

[hisownpetard]

25. amen x 2.

[democracy1st]

5. I support President Obama 100% and he has done a great job reversing Bush policy so far but

when it comes to selling this historic piece of legislation :wtf:

[biopowertoday]

6. yes, I am starting to get real concerned about the Stimulus bill.

[Thrill]

7. Why? The Democrats have been knocking down all the Repukes Amendments

And Collins and Snowe have been with them on all of them. This thing is headed for passage.

You seem to be letting the Repukes and the media frame your opinion.

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Exactly. The bill will pass with at least 60 votes.

[Life Long Dem]

23. Yes... It will pass with at least 60. They figure from 60 - 80 votes.

Obama wanted 80 votes.

[karynnj]

14. it is easier to defeat their amendments, than to pass our stuff

If needed we could filibuster - needing just 41 votes to defeat something.

That why they have had the easier side - their goal for the last 2 years has been to defeat almost everything. As we control Congress, it was our responsibility to pass things - like budgets. (In addition, Democrats want government to do things - that means passing legislation.)

[SIMPLYB1980]

20. Bingo! I can't belive so many here are falling for the MSM's bullshit.

Oh well.:shrug:

[democracy1st]

27. can you point me to a youtube video or a article of a dem promoting this bill ?

I would appreciate it

[SIMPLYB1980]

29. It's happening on c-span right now.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx

[Life Long Dem]

21. I agree.

I have my differences with Gregg being in the cabinet, but I stand behind Obama 100% percent. And I have my differences with Clinton in the cabinet, but I stand behind President Obama 110% percent.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. He did it to piss you off

nt

[fasttense]

9. 1. He signed the Schip

Which the bush vetoed.

2. He's demanding salary caps on useless bankrupting CEOs - a whole lot more than any repuke ever did.

3. He stopped drilling in Utah National parks and most parks throughout the country.

4. He took off the pro-choice gag rule.

5. He stopped the fake trials in Gitmo.

6. He stopped the torture in Gitmo.

7. He's trying to get a REAL stimulus package through congress.

8. He named real diplomatic envoys to the Middle East and Afghanistan.

9. He tightened ethics rules for administration officials.

10. He instituted higher fuel efficiency standards.

11. He signed the anti-pay discrimination, Lillie Ledbetter Act.

And that was just in the first 15 days.

[karynnj]

15. Very nice list - this would make a great thread just by itself

This is what is needed to put things into perspective. We need to see that our win was real. It has totally changed where the battleground is. We need to remember how frustrating it was when Bush vetoed SCHIP which had passed with quite near the 2/3 rds needed to over ride the veto. We need to balance the media that paid little attention to that victory compared to the time spent on failed nominees.

[tekisui]

22. Federal funding of stem cell research is back, as well.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

10. To those born to worship icons constructive criticism is anathema. They...

can't help themselves, would it hurt you to show a little compassion?

[ShortnFiery]

12. Having a little faith after 2 weeks at the helm is hardly "worshipping an icon."

Many of you folks are IMO, behaving in "a fickle" manner. :shrug:

[Jennicut]

13. Worship? After only two weeks? Ha. Its called supporting our President

because he needs us right now.

[Solomon]

18. Here we go again with the any disagreement with my

criticism means idol worship bullshit.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

36. The preceding was a news flash from an unbiased source. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

11. Oh stop. Obama is shrewd and "taking the wind out of the GOP's sails."

Patience Grasshopper. :-)

[high density]

16. 'all the tax cuts'

About a third of the money is tax cuts, and most of those cuts are focused on middle class earners. This was a much repeated theme during Obama's campaign!

I think one thing we're simply not used to here is that our guy is President now... The Repubes can try to frame the debate all they want, but Obama can get his own message out very easily (well, as long as Daschle isn't around making a f--king fool out of everybody.) Obama's op-ed today makes it clear that he knows who won and he knows what we (well, most of us) want him to do. The Repubes are a side show now, and they've made that clear through their insane posturing in the House. They've voted AGAINST a strong American economy. They've voted AGAINST middle class tax cuts. The Repubes have screwed themselves big time and now are apparently going after the President Hoover fans and libertarian voter bloc.

[SpartanDem]

30. thank you

It boggles my mind with all the people complaining about the tax cuts when they are geared toward the middle class. These people never paid attention to the campaign when he said he'd cut taxes for the middle class and these clueless people clearly aren't paying attention now acting as if these taxes cuts are a giveway to the GOP(cough Krugman)

[ellacott]

17. They allow the media to mischaracterize polls and the content of the bill?

So now he's responsible for how the media mischaracterizes him. That's rich.

[NYC_SKP]

24. He should outlaw the media!!!

How could he allow them to mischaracterize like that!!!! :sarcasm:

[Jennicut]

26. Really, like Dems and liberals have any say in the MSM

besides maybe KO and Maddow.

[democracy1st]

28. talking about the false ACORN,misleading CBO #'s thruout the media

[ellacott]

31. They refuted those claims

But the media never changed their narrative. Just like the media did to Kerry regarding the Swift boat attacks.

[democracy1st]

32. exactly just yesterday those claims were still getting play and this is how the rightwing works

[ellacott]

33. It lets you know that they have their own agenda

Some of us called and emailed regarding false polling data that they've been using. They are aware that the information is questionable but they didn't change the reporting or give a retraction.

[Life Long Dem]

19. Ha haa...

What leads you to your conclusion?

[Political Heretic]

34. It's not a WEAK bill.

But of course, people are too stupid and uninformed to fucking figure that out.

http://chn.org/pdf/2009/RecoveryBillschart.pdf

Now, when the Senate gets done with it, we'll see how weak it is then.

[democracy1st]

35. so we're stupid ,if we feel that the bill could have been bolder ? Ok

[asteroid2003QQ47]

37. No, you invite the "stupid' label when you fail to...

embrace the "My President Right Or Wrong" mantra!
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'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
-- Lewis Carroll