Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Must Read from Robert Reich on Geithner's Plan: It's Not Transparent and It's Still a Bailout

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:18 PM
Original message
Must Read from Robert Reich on Geithner's Plan: It's Not Transparent and It's Still a Bailout
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 06:58 PM by flpoljunkie
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 11, 2009

Geithner's Plan: It's Not Transparent and It's Still a Bailout

Testifying for a second day before the Senate Budget Committee about the plan he sketched out yesterday to save the banking sector, Tim Geithner promised to inform Congress as quickly as possible if more taxpayer money is needed. He said a supervisory review of banks -- a so-called "stress test" -- would help determine that. It's likely the stress tests will show the banks are in far worse shape than Geithner's plan can deal with. But it seems doubtful Geithner will return to the well any time soon. Neither Republicans, Blue-Dog Democrats, or progressive Democrats like the idea of bailing out Wall Street -- and revelations about Wall Street's malfeasance, misfeasance, and just plain stupidity over the last few years are likely to multiply in the weeks and months ahead.

So far, the Geithner plan requires no new money beyond the remaining $350 billion Congress has already okayed to bail out Wall Street. But in truth, the plan assumes trillions more from the Fed, based on the Fed's seemingly infinite capacity to backstop almost anyone putting up almost any collateral. The idea is to lure private investors into buying up the banks' toxic assets, by having the Fed limit their downside risks. If private investors pay too much, the Fed picks up the tab.

Taken as a whole, this is hardly a model of transparency. To date, the Fed has already committed some $2.5 trillion to rescuing the financial system, yet no one outside the Fed knows exactly how or where this money went. The Fed is subject to almost no political oversight. Yet if the trillions of dollars the Fed has already committed and the trillions more it's about to commit can't be recouped, the federal debt explodes and you and I and other taxpayers are left holding the bag.

In other words, Geithner and Fed Chair Ben Bernanke continue to do pretty much what Hank Paulson and Bernanke did: They hide much of the true costs and risks to taxpayers of repairing the banking system. Those risks and costs should be put on the people who made risky bets on the banks in the first place - namely bank shareholders and creditors. Shareholders of the most troubled banks should be wiped out entirely. Bank creditors- except depositors - should take major hits. And top executives who were responsible should be canned. But Geithner and Bernanke don't want to take these steps for fear of spooking the Street. They think it's safer to put the costs and risks on taxpayers -- especially in ways they can't see.

Geithner's plan is better than the first Wall Street bailout but make no mistake: It's not transparent, and it's still a bailout.

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/02/geithners-plan-its-not-transparent-and.html


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
1. Because anarchy is never desirable
So yes we are going to take the bath because in the long run, it's better than complete financial collapse.

And Robert Reich knows it and damn him for pretending otherwise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #1
9. Yes, because the only alternative to giving the banks trillions of dollars..
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 01:26 AM by girl gone mad
with no oversight is anarchy.

It's one or the other. :eyes:

I'd laugh if I wasn't so sick of the straw men that Wall Street apologists keep building over and over.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 02:59 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. Give her heck and I'll add my two cents as well
Some people just don't get that we can have a properly managed recovery or this monstrosity.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:22 PM
Response to Original message
2. I emailed the President twice today.
I hope that does not get me a restraining order. I asked that he nationalize the banks rather than throw a trillion down the drain right off the bat. The most respected economists are all saying the same thing on this. "Nationalize". Our banks are not viable. Sadly, I don't have much faith in Geithner's abilities.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
3. A step towards nationalization is what Krugman called it.
These stress tests should reveal that nationalization is inevitable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Or let people adjust
And prove to the right that everything possible was done, while giving people a chance to adjust along the way. If we nationalized the banks today, this country would go into complete meltdown. There are people who still believe the stimulus is a phony ploy to implement socialism. They're going to need to see for themselves a bit longer and this allows it all to sink in slowly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #6
14. One: we will never use the word "nationalize"
and two: we will be nationalizing many of these banks.

This plan is exactly what you say it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
4. I thought there were no details?
Will people make up their mind?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 06:29 PM
Response to Original message
5. Nobody expected the recovery plan to be pretty, and it's not.
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 06:55 PM by AtomicKitten
I listened to a debate between some knowledgeable friends with opposing views on this issue, and the best thing I can ascertain (for whatever it's worth and probably not much because I am an admitted economic doofus) is that its patchwork nature allow flexibility to alter/adjust the plan moving forward. I suspect it will remain a work in progress, but Obama has gambled his re-election on its success and I'm willing to throw in with those odds.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:47 PM
Response to Original message
7. Reich should be the one doing the job in the first place, not Geithner
He actually "gets it".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Agree. Reich is smarter than Geithner.
However, it's clear that almost all of
Obama's picks veer to the right and
the interests of corporations and
the wealthy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 01:41 AM
Response to Original message
10. N.A.T.I.O.N.A.L.I.Z.E.
It's coming. It's inevitable.

Why make more people suffer in the process?

NATIONALIZE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 06:02 AM
Response to Original message
12. Encouraging theft-by profit ...
is what the spineless do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 07:13 AM
Response to Original message
13. Don't worry, the plan is still a punt
It basically puts off doing anything substantive for a little while.

Soon Citibank will go under and they'll be forced to take it into receivership.

Same with many of the other "stress tested" banks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC