Wasserman Schultz is UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Phx_Dem]

She is kicking the shit out of some sniveling Congressman from Florida on Hardball! Jesus. Stay out of her way!

She looked up a bunch of stats about his Congressional district and then threw them in his face,"You just voted against 600,000 number of jobs in your own district!" And, "the GOP is hoping the stimulus fails so they can blame the Democrats for the economy." Chris Matthews felt a chill up his leg and asked her "did you look all that up?!!" She said, yes I did.

She said more, but I can't remember it all. She was amazing. Check out the rerun of Hardball.

[TeamJordan23]

1. I would like to see her run for Senate. nm

[Raine1967]

2. hmm... can see that happening

Isn't Mel's seat going to be up for election in 2010?

[camera obscura]

4. Yup - there are already a few names in the mix but I think she could clear the field w/fundraising

[Indenturedebtor]

75. I'd send her some cash if I have it on hand :D

We need more intelligent, ethical, hardworking people kicking ass in the Senate.

[HooptieWagon]

261. Maybe she could ask Doug Tudor for some funds.

:popcorn:

[MADem]

24. I would, too. She is formidable!! Smart, sharp, and on point! nt

[PBS Poll-435]

27. Meek is going after Martinez's seat in '10.

I believe she will probably take Bob Graham's seat when he retires.

[SuperTrouper]

81. didn't Graham retire already? You mean Sen. Nelson?

[PBS Poll-435]

93. Duh

:dunce:

Yes, Senator Bill Nelson.


:banghead:



(Thanks for the correction. Too late to edit.)

[FLAprogressive]

89. Nah, I wouldn't. She'd lose because she's an opportunist and not very likable.

[Honeycombe8]

133. When I've seen her on TV, I thought she was very likeable. nt

[HooptieWagon]

237. Protecting her republican friends from Dem challengers

isn't a likeable trait to me. And I'll throw in the reprehensible lies she spewed during the Fla Primary fiasco as another unlikable trait. Because of her actions I simply don't trust her, and if she runs for Martinez's Senate seat I won't vote for her.

[HooptieWagon]

252. "likeable"?... here is the real DWS

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/debbie-wasser...

When my friend Jane saw what Florida congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is charged with defeating Republicans and replacing them with Democrats, saw how shabbily Wasserman Schultz had treated progressive Navy veteran Doug Tudor, her astonishment was palpable. "Wow," she wrote, "We really are the New Republicans!"

Ask yourself why Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a Democrat -- not a politician, a Democrat. I know why she's a politician: a nice cushy career and a real lust for power and self-importance. But why is someone like her a Democrat instead of a Republican? "Oh, Howie, stop being so mean," you might be thinking now. Let me share the note I got from Democratic candidate Doug Tudor with you, the one that got me going on DWS today. I begged him to let me publish it and he said ok. I've written about him before, back when he said that members of Congress who voted for Bush's warrantless wiretap FISA legislation had violated their oaths of office. He's a twenty-year Navy vet who's selflessly challenging rubber stamp Republican Adam "Howdy Doody Nimrod" Putnam in a district that mostly corresponds with Polk County east of Tampa, Florida. Unlike DWS' district (PVI is D+18), FL-15 is a tough, tough district for Democrats. In fact it was designed to give a Republican a safe seat (PVI is R+5). But Doug is putting up a strong and valiant fight-- which is why he is the only candidate on the DWT ActBlue page. He went to the Democratic Convention last week.

- "One of the most satisfying aspects of my time in Denver was being able to see Democrats uniting together to help other Democrats. I received financial support from Congressman John Salazar (D-CO), Congressman Phil Hare (D-IL), future Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO), as well as from convention attendees from Washington, Montana, North Carolina, and Florida. What I have not been able to do is to get Democrats from Florida's congressional caucus to risk offending their good friend, Adam Putnam, by contributing from their personal wealth or campaign accounts, or by endorsing me. I, of course, was most anxious to meet and speak with Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (DINO-FL), who is chairing the DCCC's Red-to-Blue program. I just knew that she would welcome the chance to defeat Adam Putnam, as that would allow her lay sole claim to the title of "Wonder Kid" in Florida's politics. Adam, after all, isn't her next door neighbor. Once she comes onboard, I assumed, the other members of the caucus would lose their timidity and also support me. I was dead wrong, and I should have known better. It is well known that Wasserman-Schultz supports Republicans Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen over their Democratic opponents, although lately she has been pressured into giving belated and grudging support to Joe Garcia and Raul Martinez who are opposing the Diaz-Balarts. I always figured that she was just afraid of the Hispanic backlash in her own district. What I hadn't considered is that she is just afraid of all incumbent Republicans in Florida. When I met her in Denver, she immediately told me that she couldn't support me, saying I hadn't raised enough money. I told her that I had raised $100K, that I was a military retiree, that my family is living on my wife's Air Force E6 pay, and that I wasn't able like other "viable" candidates to drop a quarter of a million dollars into my own campaign. I then told her, "Congresswoman, I am one of those working-class guys that our party claims to represent." Her response was "Don't pull that populist stuff with me." I thanked her for her time. As a person who made his career in the profession of arms, I know that when you're in a fight, you have to fight on all fronts. Adam Putnam is easily becoming the most-hated Republican in America. He can be beat. Even Adam knows it's a bad year for Republicans. Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz needs to lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way."


Anyone who has been following our little series on how Wasserman Schultz has been sabotaging Annette Taddeo's campaign to win the Miami-Dade seat currently occupied by DWS crony Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (here, here, here, here, and here, for starters) knows we came to the conclusion long ago that she should get the Hell out of the way.

It was very brave of Doug to say what many progressive incumbents were thinking after the FISA vote-- that caucus leaders Rahm Emanuel and Steny Hoyer had let them down by crossing the aisle and voting with Bush-- but only Doug was brave enough to say it on the record. DSW is well known as a mad-dog, vindictive power-monger. By confronting her directly he has raised her ire. Any chance he ever had to get into the DCCC's very suspect Red to Blue program that she controls like a personal fiefdom has been shattered. Please consider joining me in giving Doug some support in his lonely and courageous grassroots battle against Adam Putnam, the #3 villain in the GOP House hierarchy (their Rahm Emanuel).

[butterfly77]

193. Exactly. what I have been saying throughout the campaign..

[flpoljunkie]

3. Rethug Brian Bilbray is from California. She correctly said Republicans want stimulus to fail.

[CakeGrrl]

11. And that's exactly what more Dems need to say point-blank

Dem surrogates should take their few opportunities to make that simple point while Obama works his own strategy.

[Happyhippychick]

5. Every time I see her, I'm grateful she's on our side.

[tekisui]

6. She really knows how to stay on message and on point.

She doesn't give an inch. She was formidable as a Clinton supporter in the Primaries, and she has been ferocious since.

I like having her on our side.

[grannie4peace]

7. you sure know how to excite a person! :):)

[Thrill]

8. I believe she is Tim Kaine's Deputy at the DNC now

[CBR]

9. I used to dread when she was coming on during the primaries...

because I was an Obama supporter and she was such a great advocate for Hillary. I will catch her at 7pm.

[wryter2000]

16. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[CBR]

20. Thanks! After lurking forever, I took the plunge.

[Raine1967]

31. I read EVERY day.

Have since '05.

I finally took the plunge too.

[camera obscura]

35. I was the same way. Her face made me mad. But I grew to love her as a surrogate in the GE.

[Raine]

37. Same here

cause I was for Obama too but now I love seeing her! :thumbsup:

[Political Tiger]

42. I guess that makes 3 of us

but that was then and this is now, and now I have a lot of admiration for her.

[anonymous171]

140. Me too. I lived in terror of her. nt

[JSK]

10. The problem is

that even if the plan does "succeed," nothing will really change for months if not years. And that's exactly what the repukes are counting on that so they can start campaigning next year with all their holier-than-though I-told-you-so's.

SICKENING. Who are the "America Haters" now?

[zulchzulu]

12. Perfect framing for getting these bastards in 2010...

They want to think that they can pull a Newt like 1994... but they are walking right into the trap.

[napi21]

13. I love listening to Debbie! I try to catch her anytime she's on TV.

I wish we had MORE like her! I know she's too new, but wouldn't SHE make a great Speaker!

[Towlie]

14. It seems the "sniveling congressman from Florida" is Congressman Chris Shays of Connecticut.

[Phx_Dem]

26. No, it wasn't Chris Shays. I know him.

This guy was just elected to the House. I thought he was from Florida, but I may have been thinking Florida because that's where Wasserman Schultz is from.

[Towlie]

34. Right. It's Brian Bilbray from California.

[Jennicut]

123. Chris Shays lost. He is gone, thank the lord!!!

[Honeycombe8]

134. Wasn't he a moderate GOP? nt

[wryter2000]

15. She's awesome

She doesn't mess around. I love her.

[Oceansaway]

17. i think it was Brian Brilby(sp) from CA...n/t

[HooptieWagon]

18. If she hadn't endorsed Repuke Congressmen and women in the GE...

... maybe she wouldldn't have to be fighting them in Congress. Her DLCness is biting the Dems in the ass.

[MADem]

23. WHAT? You're going to have to provide some evidence of that, pilgrim.

Or are you in the wrong corral?

[Malikshah]

28. Nope it's true. Wasserman-Schultz refused to go after the Diaz Ballart bros

and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen from South FL

It was her task in her position, but she felt uncomfortable doing it.

If she had actually shown some of that mettle from tonight against them...but she didn't.

People can lionize her all they want, but much like with Chris Matthews, she's in it for herself and puts on a show with little moral compass.

Consistency in ethics and principle are what is called for. Wasserman-Schultz grandstands when it suits her.

Not even going to talk about her selective hawkishness on some issues.

[MADem]

51. No, it's not true.

Failing to do what you think she should isn't the same as the equally false accusation made by the previous poster.

You can tilt at windmills all day and get your ass handed to you. You can think intelligently and strategically, and win. DWS is a brilliant legislator, a quick study, and a frigging pit bull when it comes to putting forth the party's agenda and goals on these talking head venues.

Sorry--my money's on DWS, not you. She's a gift to the Democratic Party, the people of Florida, and the nation. I wish there were more like her.

[Malikshah]

54. You don't appear to be "sorry" It is not tilting at windmills to back

more qualified candidates who are Democrats rather than staying out of the fight to tacitly support your Republican anti-Obama, anti-American "friends" from South Florida.

Maybe if a modicum of research was done on her stances regarding this issue and the political situation in South Florida a more enlightened response would be forthcoming.

For now, the DWS lionization in your post is embarrassing in its lack of foundation in reality.

Talk about Don Quixote....

She may be your Dulcinea, but she most definitely isn't for those who actually know what went down in the last election cycle.

[MADem]

56. You need to not tell untruths about what she did to express your dislike of her.

When you make false assertions and say she did something she did not do, it makes you completely not credible.

What's embarassing here is your complete lack of shame when you make these gross misstatements.

You still haven't provided any proof of your assertions, which have shifted from "She provided support to the GOP" to "She didn't help the Dems enough to suit me."

Whatever. Keep moving those goalposts, and then getting mad when people notice.

If you are going to make accusations, there, Your Majesty, maybe you'd better do the "modicum of research" to support your rants, and not expect others to chase down your halfassed opinions.

[Malikshah]

59. Do the research. A simple search during the last election cycle

with her name will bring it all to light.

A simple google search will as well.

Of course-- claiming my statements as untrue doesn't make them untrue. I stand by my assertions.

Parse away...play with semantics...use every trick in the book. DWS blew it, was called on it, and half-heartedly tried to make amends... Getting caught and scolded and not making full amends doesn't make you a "good gal"

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-watch.html

http://thehill.com/markos-moulitsas/another-dem-awol-in-fla.-2008-03-25.html


http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/03/a_republicanhug/

[MADem]

62. The blog doesn't "prove" anything either.

And former Republican "Kos" can whine all he wants about DWS not doing "enough." You're still running far afield from the original accusations, which were that she "endorsed" Republicans. She didn't do that.

If you don't like Democrats saying nice things about Republicans that they can find common ground with, and work with, you're going to HATE the next four years. Snow, Collins, Lieberman and Specter are friends of this administration, and they're going to be treated very well by President Obama.

DWS is a fine legislator. Her district is lucky to have her.

[HooptieWagon]

68. The fact remains she is DLC, aka "republican lite"

And she favored her RW republican friends over Democratic candidates. Now, if you find this worthy of cannonization, then you are either willfully ignorant of the facts, or perhaps are posting on this board in error. DWS is all about herself - she grandstands when it suits her, and she favors her republican friends when it suits her. She is NOT a loyal Democrat - buyer beware.

edit - from above link:

"Wasserman Schultz, the sorry chairperson of the DCCC's very compromised Red to Blue program, virtually endorsed 3 extreme right South Florida Republican incumbents-- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart-- with the clear intention of sabotaging the campaigns of the three Democrats running against them-- Annette Taddeo, Raul Martinez, and Joe Garcia-- and making it impossible for them to get serious institutional money in Florida. She angered enough people, who pressured the DCCC, so that she finally made nice with Raul Martinez and Joe Garcia. She is still doing everything in her power to undercut Annette Taddeo, the challenger in the least Republican-leaning of the 3 districts.
"

Does this sound like a loyal Dem?

[wyldwolf]

79. the fact remains you have to go to a far lefty blog of "Dem wannabes" to trash Democrats

[MADem]

118. Unfortunately, if you're a moderate, or an economic centrist/social liberal, you might as well

be an Eisenhower Republican to some here. And that's if they're polite.

Jack Murtha only gets a pat on the head here for his Iraq War stance. If they knew his position on choice and lobbying and defense matters in general, they'd be calling for his head on a plate!

I'd love to have discussions with more 'varieties' of Democrats on this forum, but it's an uphill battle to find anything over on that other side of our own party here...they're made to feel unwelcome. It's....unfortunate.

[MADem]

117. Well, if that's the case, so's our President, and you're screwwwwwwed.

The DEEE ELLL CEEE is everywhere, and they're a comin' to gitcha!!!!!!


It's so childish and unthinking to blame the DLC for everything. After a certain age, mature people stop believing in boogiemen.

I'm glad your warped and bitter view doesn't prevail, though, because DWS is a treasure!

Psssst--posting an excerpt from a blog where someone "opines" isn't evidence. It's just one opinion....and we know what they're like, eh? Everyone's got one!!!

:rofl:

[HooptieWagon]

129. Denying DCCC funds to Doug Tudor and other Dem candidates isn't an opinion

Its a fact. She favors her RW republican friends over Dem candidates - strange that you should admire that, although no surprise you're lying about it. :eyes:

[MADem]

144. One more time, read this slowly now--she does NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

Those orders came down from ON HIGH. So, if you want to get pissed off, look HIGHER than DWS.

Strange that you should not choose to read for comprehension, and ignore the fact that I have presented to you, and then make asinine accusations suggesting that I "admire" behaviors, even after I explain the fucking obvious to you!

I won't roll my eyes, I'll just laugh.

:hi:

[HooptieWagon]

153. Why are you lying? She was Co-Chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program

That program is intended to increase Democratic seats in Congress; that is, to replace repuke Congressmen with Democratic ones. She is, I repeat, Co-Chairperson - it doesn't get higher than that. Yet she specifically denied funds to Democratic candidates running against her extreme RW republican friends. Isn't that a breach of duty?

http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/Red_to_Blue/


Feb 28, 2006

DCCC Announces Red to Blue Program for Strong Candidates for Change Across the Country
DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel, Unveils Program to Boost Top Democratic Candidates, Names Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Co-Chairs of the Red to Blue Program

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Congressman Rahm Emanuel, Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, unveiled the “Red to Blue” program – a unique program that will offer support to strong Democratic candidates across the country. In order to highlight the top Democratic candidates and help them raise campaign funds as well as provide structural support for the campaigns, the DCCC’s “Red to Blue” program will encourage candidates to emphasize their own policy proposals while assisting them with important resources that will keep them competitive as November 2006 gets closer. This will be an exclusive program that will reward the candidates and campaigns that are most skilled, not only at raising money on their own, but at getting their message across to the voters they hope to represent.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel also announced that Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will serve as co-chairs of the Red to Blue Program at the DCCC.

“The ‘Red to Blue’ program will provide a meaningful boost to our Democratic candidates who are actively and aggressively campaigning for change,” said DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “The November 2006 election will be a critical referendum on the direction of our nation. Democratic candidates are campaigning on a message of change – change from the status quo Republican priorities that have cost American families in ways ranging from higher gas and home heating prices, to higher college tuition bills and the most expensive prescription drugs in history. The DCCC’s ‘Red to Blue’ program will give our top candidates the structural and financial edge they’ll need in order to win in November.”

[MADem]

162. I'm not lying, and stop saying that when you're the one shopping the blatant untruths here.

Why do you think that she controls money? Where do you get this lame shit? You really hate this woman, and it sure shows. She didn't create the "Red to Blue" program--she was ASSIGNED to it by party leadership. That's in your own link, if you'd read it. And comprehend it.

Too tough for you, eh? That "strong dislike" of this strong woman is getting in your way, is that it?

You could make her the Officer in Charge of Milk and Fucking Cookies, if you'd like--that does not mean she controls or disburses DCCC funds.

You haven't shown me her name on a fucking check. She is a chief deputy whip under Lewis, who reports to Clyburn, who reported to Emmanuel and Hoyer during the last election cycle--and THOSE TWO, not DWS, controlled the cash.

You're showing everyone exactly how uninformed and ignorant of the facts you are when it comes to how the Hill works with these dramatic "cut and pastes" that do not show DWS's name on any fucking checks.

One more time--simply, because you are being deliberately obtuse and very unclever, too: DWS did not CONTROL THE MONEY. She did not make the decisions. She was a foot soldier who DID WHAT SHE WAS TOLD.

Is that clear enough for you, are are you going to engage in another round of dumbass cut-n-pasting, so that we have no doubt at all with regard to how poor your understanding of this topic is?

:rofl:

[HooptieWagon]

169. OK, answer these questions.

1) Was DWS not the Co-Chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program?

2) What is the purpose of the DCCC's Red to blue Program?

3) Did DWS, or did she not, give assistance to Dem Congressional candidates running aginst her RW friends?

4) Is refusing help to Dem Congressional candidates consistant with the purpose of DCCC's Red to Blue Program?

5) Is it not troubling that the Co-Chair of the program is not only friends with extreme RW Republicans, but even refused to support Dem candidates who are running against them?

6) Are these the actions of a Democratic leader who's loyal to the party?

[Malikshah]

173. Good luck with this. I've just been assailed with somewhat

racial slurs for daring to question the sanctity of DWS.

Keep up the good cause. We need stronger candidates from South Florida to help turn this state around.

[HooptieWagon]

178. yes, the DLC/DWS astroturfers are out to re-write history. n/t

[FLAprogressive]

218. yup...nt

[MADem]

182. You plainly don't understand how the Red to Blue program works.

You don't understand the DCCC organizational structure, either.

I've explained that in another post in this thread.

DWS is not "in charge"--she's a foot soldier. She doesn't PICK or VET the candidates--she only helps the ones that, in the last cycle, Hoyer and Emmanuel chose.

The purpose of the program is to pick """""competitive""""" (that doesn't mean progressive pipe dreamers, that means, like it or not, conservative Dems, by and large) candidates who are likely to win, and fund them. The funding is tightly targeted, too, and guess what? DWS ain't in charge of the money!!!! Emmanuel and Hoyer made the decisions about who got money. DWS and the rest of the team did the grunt work and hand-holding AFTER the candidates were picked. That doesn't mean that the foot soldiers couldn't recommend people, but they do not make the final decisions, nor do they have authority to disburse funds to chosen candidates--that's WAY above their paygrade. You apparently do not, will not, or for some blindly hating reason, cannot, understand this.

DWS is a Chief Deputy Whip under Senior Chief Deputy Whip Lewis who reports to WHIP Clyburn who reports to Majority Leader Hoyer who reports to Speaker Pelosi. Come on--you're painting her like she's large and in charge. She's WAY DOWN the DCCC food chain, and taking orders, not giving them. When she gets collateral co-chair assignments, that's what they are--ASSIGNMENTS. See, the brass assigns those duties to her. But boy, you really want to make her your boogieman. You NEED to, apparently. And that's interesting. You'd better nail everyone from Pelosi on down, including Clymer and Lewis, if you're gonna go after her.

Just sayin'....

If you don't understand these basic facts, I can't help you any more. It's hard to even discuss this subject with someone who doesn't even "get" the essential, basic, elementary-level DCCC hierarchy. And you've shown me that you don't.

[HooptieWagon]

188. I understand that DWS refused to do her job helping Dems running against her RW friends.

What part of traitor don't you understand?

[MADem]

195. Oh, now she's a TRAITOR!!!! How very....hyperbolic!

You've lost ALL credibility.

:rofl:

[HooptieWagon]

205. Yes, even more so than Lieberman.

Lieberman wasn't tasked with the job of helping Dem candidates. Wasserman-Shultz was, and she refused any aid whatsoever for Dem candidates running against her RW Republican friends. Favoring "the enemy" instead of your own team is the very definition of traitor, wouldn't you agree?

[MADem]

209. Ahhh, OK....NOW we know what fantasy land you're coming from!!

The land of Idiotlogical Purity!

You must really HATE the President. He's not a Progressive, Ultra Lefty, Pure feller, either!

[FLAprogressive]

217. There's a difference between Holy Joe/DWS and other moderates

Some moderates don't work against the party (like Obama). DWS/Holy Joe do.

[MADem]

219. Well, I hate to tell you, but Obama will continue to show Holy Joe a LOT of love.

He's that spare vote on most issues that Obama needs. And DWS will continue to be a rising star within the party.

You'd better realize that our President is closer to the beliefs and ideals of Holy Joe and DWS than he is to you. And you'd do well to reconcile yourself to that. Otherwise, it's going to be a long four to eight years.

[HooptieWagon]

221. Of course, but I'll bet he doesn't turn his back to him.

Obama realizes that even a traitorous Dem can be usefull. DWS favors her RW republican friends over loyal Dems. I hope Obama doesn't turn his back to her, either.

[FLAprogressive]

224. I hope he steers clear from both of them. they are two people who are not to be trusted.

[MADem]

227. He knows that Joe is a social liberal, an economic moderate, and has one major blind spot.

Maybe two.

That's not changed.

Joe's an open book. He was also Obama's Senate mentor, but you probably didn't know that, either. They have more in common than you seem to want to accept.

He's also part of the center-right coalition that includes Snow, Collins, Specter, Nelson, and maybe a few others who might want to play the "I'm relevant" game.

You're not going to break up that relationship, either. They're firing on all cylinders.

[Malikshah]

91. Bullpuckey. An opportunist, DLC Hawk, victim of Stockholm syndrome when

it comes to three of the vilest Republicans that have ever come down the pike....

I take it you live in South Florida and know what it is like down here??

[wyldwolf]

102. I agree. downwithtyranny IS bullpuckey

[FLAprogressive]

113. you just hate it because it points out the corporate Dems who you love.

[wyldwolf]

115. I hate it because they're more concerned with heresy than anything else

[MADem]

116. We get it--you hate her. Good thing you're in the minority!

We have things called TV and the "internet" now--you don't have to live in a location to 'read all about it."

[Malikshah]

130. Interesting response. Let's analyze.

Use of hyperbole. I don't hate her. I just don't trust her.

Assertion that I'm in the minority. Really, now--I'm sure there is no data to support this claim.

My analysis:

The information I provided backed up my claim and undercut the argument. Thus, the tiresome tactic of changing the topic so one didn't have to admit to the fact that DWS is not some saint of the Democratic party.

On top of this, I'd love to know if the defenders are from South Florida or are just basing their views on limited information. I've not received a response to my earlier query on this issue

So-- are you in DWS's district? Live in South Florida? Aware of South Florida politics through actual experience over the last eight years?

If No on all these questions, I'm all a flutter to find out on what authority one can lionize DWS? What evidence can be provided to refute my claims?

[MADem]

148. Yeah, let's "analyze."

You do hate her--otherwise you wouldn't keep on, like a dog with a bone, about her. That's not love, "bro." That's a targeted resentment. And it's hyperbolic, too.

You are in the minority--like the GOP. See, the people who get the MOST VOTES, like DWS, are the "winners." You're not a supporter of the person, a Democrat, who got the most votes. That's pretty obvious by the whining you're doing about DWS here.

You also refuse to understand that she, as a deputy, does not control funds, has never controlled funds, only has input, and does not have the final say, on ANYTHING that the caucus does with their national monies.... and that she, as a deputy, faithfully follows orders of higher ups in the DCCC. Of which there are many. She reports to John Lewis who reports to Clymer who reports ot Hoyer. Of course, you'd prefer to ignore this, and make HER your boogieman. Why? You apparently have a visceral hatred of her--unless you're suffering from OCD and are unable to get off an incorrect, preconceived notion and transition to a realistic view of the matter. You engage in willful ignorance. You direct your ire, improperly, at DWS. Why, I have no idea. That's YOUR issue.

One more time--you don't have to "be" in someone's district to be able to read and "keep up." This is the 21st century--we have "the internet!!" We have a thing called tee vee! We actually CAN get news--from OTHER PLACES, even, and understand what is happening in all regions of the country, without having to listen to the local Town Crier!!

Should any opinion you have regarding President Obama be summarily dismissed because you aren't living near Pennsylvania Avenue? Hmmmm? Not one word, now, from you, about ANYTHING that doesn't come out of your home town, because YOU don't have "standing" to comment. You'd better shut up about your own governor, because the state capital isn't in "southern Florida?" Is that your clownish view, really? That does seem to be what you're asserting.

But of course, in your view, some nitwit sitting in a trailer in a Miami suburb, plonked in front of a computer playing video games, who doesn't go further than the corner mart for beans and beer is more "qualified," based on location, to comment on these matters.

Sorry--your criteria, like your opinions, are based on incomplete information, lousy logic, are provincial, and hold no sway with me.


You have a nice day!

[Malikshah]

172. I'd say nice try, but that would be false. So many assumptions are made on your

part.

"Dog on a bone"? Really? That amounts to adult discourse? More allegations of hate, simply because I will not back down and agree with someone who has provided no refutation of the evidence provided and alleges hatred and other manner of views on me.

Sitting in a trailer, in Miami, playing computer video games...going to corner mart for beans and beer? Lou Dobbs? Is that you?

Here's the reality.

PhD, in home, gainfully employed (luckily), living in South Florida (not-Miami Dade...hell, my profile is clear enough on that--just underscores that some don't know South Florida), and actually pays attention to what goes on down here while living here. I would no sooner second guess someone from PA about their local reps, or from TX about their local reps because I along with any other reasoned individual would realize that those who see these folks on a regular basis and liven in the environment which they represent have a much much better understanding of how and why they do what they do.

As to what I am asserting, a south Florida representative = to a governor of an entire state? Really?! The analogy has got so many holes in it. Off to Forensics 101.

I have yet to see any refutation of the statements I made against lionizing DWS. Rather, I get frenetic responses laced with personal insults, innuendo, and slurs stepping over the lines of racial stereotyping.

I'm having a lovely day, by the way. I only wish that sort of politeness was exhibited in the discourse.

[MADem]

176. I assume nothing. I stick to facts, you make shit up. That's your issue, not mine.

Oh, and my example of the person in the trailer wasn't ABOUT YOU...but how interesting that you got all defensive, and thought it was.

You were crabbing that only people who lived IN south Florida could possibly "understand." I gave you an example of someone who would not be terribly astute.

And you thought I was talking about you.

Hmmm. That PhD likely wasn't in LOGIC, now, was it? That's not an "insult," btw, just an observation.

You plainly don't read what people write, and your responses prove that.

[Malikshah]

180. Hm. Backtracking rapidly. Do be careful not to trip.

This response was more along the lines of "I'm sorry if my statements offended anyone; they've been misinterpreted"

I'd say "Nice try", but that would be false.

It was not a nice try as it was a tried and true tactic.

Again, my assertions regarding DWS have not been refuted in the slightest. I have now given up hope that they will be.

DWS is an opportunist who grandstands when it is safe and convenient. She was tested in this last cycle and showed her true colors when it came to principles, or lack thereof as it turned out.

Thinking that this is all about politics and does not have a direct impact on the lives of citizens just goes to show that DWS views politics as a game, and not what it should be--service to the greater good of all.

Shame on her and on those that would lionize her for that.

She is no better in that instance as Ros-Lehtinen, Delay, Boehner, Harold Ford, or Rahm Emmanuel.

As our President is trying valiantly to point out-- we should move beyond politics as usual and find the best in people. Work for the greater good, even when it is not convenient or easy.

It is a shame that DWS does not yet realize this.

[MADem]

183. When you figure out where DWS is in the DCCC hierarchy we can have a discussion.

Until then, this is pointless. You are babbling without reference to fact. You're making a janitor a chairman of the board, in essence, because you dislike the individual.

That's your problem.

[Malikshah]

189. Again with the aspersions. When did I say that I do not like DWS. I do not liker her

actions or her lack of action in this case.

Her high profile on the Nstional and State scale make her far from the "janitor".

Her cache was not used through her own decision. That is selfishness pure and simple. The excuses given regarding "existing friendships" compounds the insult.

It was not convenient to her career to do what was right so she did not. She is and was not a risk taker. Shame on her for that.

[MADem]

194. No "aspersions" or even asparagus. You do not know what you are talking about.

That's just fact. You don't understand the structure or the pecking order of the DCCC, but you keep shooting off your mouth like you do.

You're making a fool of yourself.

The word, not that it matters, is "cachet." A cache is where you store weapons or other goodies.

[Malikshah]

222. Repeating the same statement without providing evidence does not make it right

I thought the world learned that during the last eight years.

I am neither shooting off my mouth or making a fool of myself by responding to your points.

I am asking for a refutation of my assertions and have yet to receive anything except unfounded accusations of not knowing about the DCCC and hating DWS.

As for the fool, I'll let the universe decide that.

As for me, please, by all means have the last word. I, for one, have made my point, repeatedly, and am done.

Enjoy the oblivion.

[MADem]

228. You know all about that--parrot and insult, parrot and insult.

I have given you a "refutation of your assertions" but apparently, clicking on a link from the DCCC is beyond your skillset.

I'm not "accusing" you of anything--I am telling you, flat out, that you're wrong. I've provided proof, but you don't bother to read it. You simply go into lather, rinse, insult, repeat mode. Try reading what I've written. Read it several times. Have someone else read it to you. Click on the links. Read them, too. Eventually, if you try really hard, you will come to understand these words.

What's "Enjoy the oblivion" mean?

Never mind, don't try to make something up--it's just a dumb sign off, though. It's not cool, or jazzy. Just, well, pathetic. Like your argument that a hardworking Democrat is a "traitor."

[Honeycombe8]

135. I like both Matthews and Schultz. At least their manner of speaking...

they cut to a point pretty quickly and abruptly. Matthews can be rude, though. Don't know about Schultz.

[dkf]

88. Sorry but I seem to recall this too.

She's pretty fantastic but she's not perfect. She's a bit too pro-Israel for me. As a debater though she is the best we have.

[MADem]

164. As I have said throughout this mess of a thread

She does not control DCCC funds. That's what is being asserted here, in addition to her "endorsing" Republicans. Barack Obama is polite to Republicans, too, and he calls them "friend." That doesn't mean he's changed his party registration, either.

DWS is a Jew. She represents a lot of Jews, many of whom are generous to her campaign. All Politics Is Local. If she came out as a cheerleader for Hamas, she'd likely not keep that seat for too long--she'd be replaced by a Republican Jew. That's how it works.

[HooptieWagon]

171. WTF does her religion have to do with anything?

The comparisons to Lieberman are in respect to her party disloyalty. That they are both Jewish is coincidental, but not relevent. If DWS didn't want to support Dem candidates running aginst her RW Republican friends, then she shouldn't have accepted the job tasked with doing that.

[MADem]

174. Check her constituents, and get back to me.

Or are you one of these "deny the obvious in an effort to appear falsely politically correct" types?

It's why Good Ole Boys get elected in Good Ole Boy districts, why Italians and Irish and Catholics get elected where a preponderance of those people live, and why black districts elect black representatives. See, it's all about REPRESENTING. And "coincidence" has nothing to do with it.

DWS was following orders from DCCC leadership. She wasn't acting as an independent agent or a rogue, and if you knew anything about how this last election cycle was managed from a Congressional caucus perspective, you would know that. You'll never get that through your head, though, because you feel compelled, for some reason that defies logic, to "blame" her.

It's curious, that compulsion of yours. Not so curious that I particularly give a crap about it, but curious, nonetheless.

[HooptieWagon]

177. My compulsion is to keeping the record straight in the face of astroturfing spin.

And DWS's constituents are welcome to vote for her. However, they did not elect DWS to the DCCC Red to Blue Co-Chairpersonship, and they do not vote in neighboring congressional districts. If DWS wants to support RW republicans, and her constituents don't have a problem with that, then good for her. But then she shouldn't have accepted the job of supporting Dem Congressional candidates.

[Name removed]

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[HooptieWagon]

190. A Co-Chairperson is "so far down the food chain"? ROTFLMAO, your spin is hysterical.

I'll bet you any amount the purpose of the DCCC's Red to Blue Program isn't to refuse help to Dems running against RW Republicans.

And speaking of being obvious - it is quite obious you have an agenda of trying to minimize DWS's actions favoring her RW friends. Only question is whether you are a paid astroturfer, or merely an obsessed volunteer. I'm guessing the later, since your fabrications and spin are so amateurish, and your knowledge of Florida politics borders on ignorance.

[MADem]

192. It's not spin. You're talking without knowledge or understanding.

And then, rather foolishly, crowing about your ignorance.

I don't have an agenda, but you lack a clue.

[HooptieWagon]

197. You are willfully spreading disinformation, just like you did inre Fla's primary.

Your propaganda will be called out - you can bet on it.

[MADem]

199. I deal in facts. You're dealing in nonsense. You don't know what you're talking about. NT

[HooptieWagon]

200. You are not dealing with facts, you are spreading disinformation.

You like DWS - fine, I'm sure you like the traitor Lieberman too. But you will not succeed in glossing over DWS's actions against Dem candidates running against her RW Republican friends, just as you did not succeed in spreading DLC disinformation during the Fla primary.

[MADem]

201. No, I'm not. I've provided the chain of command for the DCCC. You've provided nasty rumor and

innuendo, and blatant falsehoods, as well.

Oh, and childish insults. You've provided plenty of those, too!

:rofl:

Pathetic, indeed.

[HooptieWagon]

202. BWAHAHAHA, you have nothing, you are the queen of insults and personal attacks.

And you have provided nothing other than DLC propaganda and disinformation. Fortunately for DU, you are so obvious about it you've been exposed as a DLC shill.

[MADem]

203. No, I'm not the queen of anything. I live in the real world. You're making an ass of yourself.

First, you break the DU rules by saying I'm "lying," and now you're calling me "DLC" (which I'm not) like the DLC is somehow not part of the "DEMOCRATIC" Party.

Pssst--the D in DLC doesn't stand for "donut."

And Barack Obama will rely increasingly on the DLC (most of his cabinet are affiliated with that outfit) to consolidate and expand his power....even if YOU don't like that, either.

So "Bwahahahaha" all day at that, why don't you? :eyes:

Get over yourself. You're really behaving poorly, here. You impress no one but yourself.

[HooptieWagon]

206. I'm laughing at your "real world"!

Lets recap it:

DWS was a deputy of the DCCC's Red to Blue Program (truth - she was a Co-Chair)

DWS's Co-Chair position was only far down the food chain as a "recruiter" (truth - she was charged with helping Dem congressional candidates with finances, organization, and platform)

The Chairpersonship of the DCCC Red to Blue program is a ceremonial position (truth - The Chairperson is charged with increasing Dem seats in Congress by helping Democratic Challengers to republican held seats. Sounds pretty goddamn important to me)

DWS's refusal to aid Dem candidates running against her RW Republican friends is perfectly fine. (truth - its an utter betrayal of the Democratic Party)

Hey, keep it up - we need someone else to laugh at since all the Lieberman supporters have left.

[MADem]

207. How delightful for you that you're so easily amused.

You still haven't "proven" any of your assertions. And I never said anything about "ceremonial positions." You really can't read. You've proven it with this post.

DWS "is" a Deputy--to Lewis, who works for Clyburn, who works for Hoyer. Her title is Chief Deputy Whip.

You didn't read the link from the DCCC I provided that named her in that role, did you? You obviously can't read simple sentences and understand them.

Now that's just sad.

[Name removed]

229. Deleted message

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[MADem]

232. Ah, childish insult. The last refuge of the failed argument! nt

[HooptieWagon]

240. So, did she or did she not help Doug Tudor's congressional campaign?

[MADem]

242. She did what Democratic leaders, specifically, Emmanuel and Hoyer, told her to do.

She helped the candidates they told her to help--you know, ones with a shot at WINNING. Not the ones you DEMANDED she help.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Hmmmm?

Maybe, one day, when you "get" how party politics work, you'll be able to discuss these things with a bit less drama, emotion, and insult. And you'll stop ascribing dire personal motives where there are none.

[HooptieWagon]

251. They told her to protect her RW friends from a progressive challenger? Really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/debbie-wasserman-schultz_b_123322.html

When my friend Jane saw what Florida congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is charged with defeating Republicans and replacing them with Democrats, saw how shabbily Wasserman Schultz had treated progressive Navy veteran Doug Tudor, her astonishment was palpable. "Wow," she wrote, "We really are the New Republicans!"

Ask yourself why Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a Democrat -- not a politician, a Democrat. I know why she's a politician: a nice cushy career and a real lust for power and self-importance. But why is someone like her a Democrat instead of a Republican? "Oh, Howie, stop being so mean," you might be thinking now. Let me share the note I got from Democratic candidate Doug Tudor with you, the one that got me going on DWS today. I begged him to let me publish it and he said ok. I've written about him before, back when he said that members of Congress who voted for Bush's warrantless wiretap FISA legislation had violated their oaths of office. He's a twenty-year Navy vet who's selflessly challenging rubber stamp Republican Adam "Howdy Doody Nimrod" Putnam in a district that mostly corresponds with Polk County east of Tampa, Florida. Unlike DWS' district (PVI is D+18), FL-15 is a tough, tough district for Democrats. In fact it was designed to give a Republican a safe seat (PVI is R+5). But Doug is putting up a strong and valiant fight-- which is why he is the only candidate on the DWT ActBlue page. He went to the Democratic Convention last week.

Note: Quote from Tudor - "One of the most satisfying aspects of my time in Denver was being able to see Democrats uniting together to help other Democrats. I received financial support from Congressman John Salazar (D-CO), Congressman Phil Hare (D-IL), future Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO), as well as from convention attendees from Washington, Montana, North Carolina, and Florida. What I have not been able to do is to get Democrats from Florida's congressional caucus to risk offending their good friend, Adam Putnam, by contributing from their personal wealth or campaign accounts, or by endorsing me. I, of course, was most anxious to meet and speak with Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (DINO-FL), who is chairing the DCCC's Red-to-Blue program. I just knew that she would welcome the chance to defeat Adam Putnam, as that would allow her lay sole claim to the title of "Wonder Kid" in Florida's politics. Adam, after all, isn't her next door neighbor. Once she comes onboard, I assumed, the other members of the caucus would lose their timidity and also support me. I was dead wrong, and I should have known better. It is well known that Wasserman-Schultz supports Republicans Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen over their Democratic opponents, although lately she has been pressured into giving belated and grudging support to Joe Garcia and Raul Martinez who are opposing the Diaz-Balarts. I always figured that she was just afraid of the Hispanic backlash in her own district. What I hadn't considered is that she is just afraid of all incumbent Republicans in Florida. When I met her in Denver, she immediately told me that she couldn't support me, saying I hadn't raised enough money. I told her that I had raised $100K, that I was a military retiree, that my family is living on my wife's Air Force E6 pay, and that I wasn't able like other "viable" candidates to drop a quarter of a million dollars into my own campaign. I then told her, "Congresswoman, I am one of those working-class guys that our party claims to represent." Her response was "Don't pull that populist stuff with me." I thanked her for her time. As a person who made his career in the profession of arms, I know that when you're in a fight, you have to fight on all fronts. Adam Putnam is easily becoming the most-hated Republican in America. He can be beat. Even Adam knows it's a bad year for Republicans. Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz needs to lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way."


Anyone who has been following our little series on how Wasserman Schultz has been sabotaging Annette Taddeo's campaign to win the Miami-Dade seat currently occupied by DWS crony Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (here, here, here, here, and here, for starters) knows we came to the conclusion long ago that she should get the Hell out of the way.

It was very brave of Doug to say what many progressive incumbents were thinking after the FISA vote-- that caucus leaders Rahm Emanuel and Steny Hoyer had let them down by crossing the aisle and voting with Bush-- but only Doug was brave enough to say it on the record. DSW is well known as a mad-dog, vindictive power-monger. By confronting her directly he has raised her ire. Any chance he ever had to get into the DCCC's very suspect Red to Blue program that she controls like a personal fiefdom has been shattered. Please consider joining me in giving Doug some support in his lonely and courageous grassroots battle against Adam Putnam, the #3 villain in the GOP House hierarchy (their Rahm Emanuel).

[MADem]

254. Yeah, let's all listen to "my friend Jane."

No. Sorry. "My friend Jane" apparently has a few issues. I'd be curious to see if she applied for a job with DWS and got rejected. Her ire is all too personal.

Let's all listen to the Democratic leadership instead of "my friend Jane" instead. Those of us who give a shit about the future of the party, anyway.

Why would the Democratic leadership fund this guy? He runs around trashing Dems, in particular the two Dems with the fucking CHECKBOOK, and then wants money from the people he trashes. Good luck with that!

Sorry, "my friend Jane" notwithstanding, the guy was not ready for prime time. He likely never will be. What he did wasn't brave, it was the act of a stupid idiot.

[elleng]

58. Basically correct, and I wish this discussion would have stayed substantive.

She did fail or refuse to support some/an interesting latina (?) D woman who sought to oppose Ros-Leht, etc.

I don't recall her stance on other issues, but I do recall reading about some D/'personal' issues down there (where I lived for 7 months.) People here can recognize that and go on to discuss her handling of other matters. She is obviously very bright and aggressive.

I feel she's in the mold of Rahm, fwiw.

[HooptieWagon]

67. Yes, there was a progressive Dem candidate

can't remember his name, who was seeking an endorsement from DWS in order to seek DNC funding. She gave him the back of her hand. Those DUers who are ready to cannonize DWS are ignorant of her history, and are falling for her grandstanding. She is out for herself, and for her DLC string-pullers.

[FLAprogressive]

87. It was Doug Tudor.

[elleng]

111. and I recall there was a woman

seeking endorsement or help (or acknowledgment) from her.

I just think its important that folks do our best to understand all these guys, good as well as bad.

[11 Bravo]

78. Refusing to attack someone is not tantamount to endorsing them.

Your post is similar to the king of disingenuous bullshit I can hear on wingnut radio 24 hours a day.

[HooptieWagon]

126. She denied DCCC funds to Dems opposing her RW friends

not to mention all her lies inre the Florida primary. How Lieberesque...

[Honeycombe8]

136. She had total control of all the DCCC funds?

What does DCCC stand for, anyway? There's the DNC, the DLC. I thought that's where the national party funding came from. Now there's the DCCC? And one person is in total control of it?

[HooptieWagon]

154. She was Co-Chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, and controlled funds from that program.

http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/Red_to_Blue /


Feb 28, 2006

DCCC Announces Red to Blue Program for Strong Candidates for Change Across the Country
DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel, Unveils Program to Boost Top Democratic Candidates, Names Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Co-Chairs of the Red to Blue Program

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Congressman Rahm Emanuel, Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, unveiled the “Red to Blue” program – a unique program that will offer support to strong Democratic candidates across the country. In order to highlight the top Democratic candidates and help them raise campaign funds as well as provide structural support for the campaigns, the DCCC’s “Red to Blue” program will encourage candidates to emphasize their own policy proposals while assisting them with important resources that will keep them competitive as November 2006 gets closer. This will be an exclusive program that will reward the candidates and campaigns that are most skilled, not only at raising money on their own, but at getting their message across to the voters they hope to represent.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel also announced that Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will serve as co-chairs of the Red to Blue Program at the DCCC.

“The ‘Red to Blue’ program will provide a meaningful boost to our Democratic candidates who are actively and aggressively campaigning for change,” said DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “The November 2006 election will be a critical referendum on the direction of our nation. Democratic candidates are campaigning on a message of change – change from the status quo Republican priorities that have cost American families in ways ranging from higher gas and home heating prices, to higher college tuition bills and the most expensive prescription drugs in history. The DCCC’s ‘Red to Blue’ program will give our top candidates the structural and financial edge they’ll need in order to win in November.”

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

226. And her behavior during the primaries was reprehensible.

However, I think she has been a great cheerleader for our president and she is very smart.

Still, the DLC has got to go!!!

[HooptieWagon]

235. Yes, she kept lying that the early primary wasn't the FDP's fault. n/t

[rufus dog]

19. The best part was when she called out the number of jobs that would be created

In California, then, HIS OWN DISTRICT. Tweety was taken aback and said "did you look that up?" She said yes and Tweety just smiled. Killed the stupid dickhead with facts.

[HughMoran]

21. She does have a habit of kicking ass and taking names

I like her a lot.

[DangerousRhythm]

264. Agreed...

She's one sharp lady and I've never seen her back down or cower on any of those shows she's on, always defending Dems and generally making mincemeat of her opponents. She always impresses me. :toast:

[Cha]

22. We love

Debbie:loveya:

[Aloha Spirit]

25. Classic Wasserman-Schultz on Hardball replying to Tom Delay on Obama/Marxism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzOX0tsK9uI

edit, from Oct 29, 2008

[louis-t]

29. Many a night I stayed up late to watch

her and Meeks and Ryan. They stood up against repugs every day.

[damonm]

30. When will Video be up? All I get is CNN....

:(

[Dj13Francis]

32. She's no progressive...

I've got about zero love for her. She's been a DINO for years. If she runs for Senate I guess I'd have to run against her to prevent that... She is a liar too. I've heard her say things regarding the Florida primary that were blatantly untrue, and she knew it.

[wyldwolf]

38. you say that based on what?

[Dj13Francis]

46. based on everything I've ever heard from her

She comes across as very insincere to me, at least as far as anything progressive... She may have a D by her name but she's not on my team.

[wyldwolf]

48. then you must not have heard much

can you not cite examples of what you're referring to?

She comes across as very insincere to me, at least as far as anything progressive... She may have a D by her name but she's not on my team.

Umm... your team? What team is that?

http://www.ontheissues.org/FL/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz.htm

[HooptieWagon]

72. She is less trustworthy than Lieberman....

She only represents herself. A couple moments of grandstanding before the cameras doesn't make up for all the times she's lied or stabbed fellow Dems in the back.

[wyldwolf]

77. So says (snicker) Down With Tyranny! Woo hoo!

[FLAprogressive]

83. What a surprise, wylddlc attacking one of the few left blogs to openly attack the DLC.....

....and their conniving congresswoman DWS.

[wyldwolf]

94. another bunch of "prooogresssiiivveesss" who want to be Democrats when they grow up

[FLAprogressive]

98. No....we just want Democrats to be Democrats and not Republicans.

Your view of what the Democratic party should stand for is, well, warped.

[wyldwolf]

101. y'all don't know what Democrats are. You've built a myth around them

[HooptieWagon]

127. OK, we get it that you like your Dems to be coniving liars,

pal around with extreme RW repukes, and deny funding to Dem candidates that oppose them. Maybe you should check out the Lieberman Party - sounds like a better fit for you.

[wyldwolf]

142. ok, we get it. You like you like your Dems to be mythological perfect creatures

[HooptieWagon]

156. No, but I do prefer Dem leaders tasked with helping Dem candidates

actually do so - rather than protecting RW friends.

http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/Red_to_Blue /


Feb 28, 2006

DCCC Announces Red to Blue Program for Strong Candidates for Change Across the Country
DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel, Unveils Program to Boost Top Democratic Candidates, Names Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Co-Chairs of the Red to Blue Program

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Congressman Rahm Emanuel, Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, unveiled the “Red to Blue” program – a unique program that will offer support to strong Democratic candidates across the country. In order to highlight the top Democratic candidates and help them raise campaign funds as well as provide structural support for the campaigns, the DCCC’s “Red to Blue” program will encourage candidates to emphasize their own policy proposals while assisting them with important resources that will keep them competitive as November 2006 gets closer. This will be an exclusive program that will reward the candidates and campaigns that are most skilled, not only at raising money on their own, but at getting their message across to the voters they hope to represent.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel also announced that Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will serve as co-chairs of the Red to Blue Program at the DCCC.

“The ‘Red to Blue’ program will provide a meaningful boost to our Democratic candidates who are actively and aggressively campaigning for change,” said DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “The November 2006 election will be a critical referendum on the direction of our nation. Democratic candidates are campaigning on a message of change – change from the status quo Republican priorities that have cost American families in ways ranging from higher gas and home heating prices, to higher college tuition bills and the most expensive prescription drugs in history. The DCCC’s ‘Red to Blue’ program will give our top candidates the structural and financial edge they’ll need in order to win in November.”

[MADem]

120. Sounds more like you want them to be socialists, or greens--you know, the parties that don't WIN. nt

[wyldwolf]

143. that's what they think Dems are. And if they spent half as much energy...

... trying to make those parties successful as they do trying to burn down the Dem party and remake it in their own image, they might get a little further electorally.

[MADem]

145. I sometimes wonder if it's a rightwing plot!!

Some of these people who call themselves Democrats, yet spend all their time tearing down Democrats, are pretty much beyond my understanding. If it sucks so bad, and we're all so horrible... well, leave the party! I also think the website is pretty gentle with them, considering the bit in the rules about being supportive of Democratic ideals, and so forth...

[wyldwolf]

147. the exact opposite

It's a left wing plot. Check Dem party history. The far left have always sought a way to power. Their own parties have failed so their only realistic route is to remake the Dem party into something it isn't and never has been.

There's nothing inherently wrong with that. That's how parties have always changed (witness the Goldwater movement that turned the GOP in a much more conservative party and the religious infiltration of the GOP in the 80s that brought it to what it is today.)

My gripe is that today's 'progressives' either attempt to rewrite the history of the Dem party or simply don't realize the Dem party has always been a slightly left of center party. The latter is where a lot of misinformation on DU comes from.

[MADem]

149. They don't get that "slightly" left of center doesn't mean VERY left of center

JFK was pretty firm on defense issues, wasn't afraid of a little imperialism, and was pretty hawkish despite his "Hail fellow, well met" easy style. JFK was a shade to the right on those matters; he followed Eisenhower, who, in a rather surprising disentangling, not-quite-isolationist, stay-at-home fasion, warned us against the military-industrial- Congressional complex.

It's only when you get to "social" issues that somehow "being decent" became "left," and "being mean" became "right." Nixon set that Jello with his Southern strategy.

But it wasn't always that way--hell, being a hateful racist used to be a southern Democratic attribute (see Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, even Young Democrat Trent Lott), and being an anti-segregationist used to be a Republican (Martin Luther King, e.g.) trait. The Republicans like to remind us that Lincoln was one of them, and he ended slavery.

And then we've got old Ronnie "Welfare Queen" Reagan. He was firing up the base that Nixon has solidified with that bullshit.

As quick as Nixon flipped that 'let's be social meanies' pancake, it could flip again. So long as the GOP continues to go after gay people, though, we're "safe." They're not ready to get truly compassionate yet. But who knows--they might, someday. I keep a weather eye out; nothing would surprise me with them. Those "crunchy cons" are growing in number every day--they're the organic, environmentalist, land stewards, many of whom eschew imperialism....but they're definitely Republicans. And conservative ones, too. And a lot of them are very young--they hate "the old people," who are taking all "their" social security money.

[HooptieWagon]

122. So, you are saying she DID give DCCC funds to Dems running against her RW friends?

If that is your claim, then you are either ignorant of Fla politics, or flat out lying. The facts are, DWS denied DCCC funds to Dems who were running aginst her extreme RW republican friends, and she spewed flat out lies about the Florida primary on TV. Yes, I guess that makes her a hero to the PUMAs, but it cerainly doesn't make her a loyal Dem.

[HooptieWagon]

69. Based on this, for starters

Wasserman Schultz, the sorry chairperson of the DCCC's very compromised Red to Blue program, virtually endorsed 3 extreme right South Florida Republican incumbents-- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart-- with the clear intention of sabotaging the campaigns of the three Democrats running against them-- Annette Taddeo, Raul Martinez, and Joe Garcia-- and making it impossible for them to get serious institutional money in Florida. She angered enough people, who pressured the DCCC, so that she finally made nice with Raul Martinez and Joe Garcia. She is still doing everything in her power to undercut Annette Taddeo, the challenger in the least Republican-leaning of the 3 districts.

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/07/debbie-wass...

[wyldwolf]

76. based on "Down With Tyranny" blog? LOL LOL LOL!

Sounds like a pouty whiney DUer wrote it, complete with fist pumping revolutionary rhetoric.

[Dr.Phool]

137. You can find it all in the Florida Newspapers.

The St. Pete Times in particular.

She cut off funds for John Russell in the FL in the FL-5 race, and praised Her "friend", RW repuke Ginny Brown-Waite to the heavens, just short of an outright endorsement in that race.

And being heavily active in Florida politics, I know a whole lot of other shit she's pulled on progressives.

She needs to be primaried. Hard.

[HooptieWagon]

157. The PUMA astroturf spin is out in force.

They are trying to re-write history.

[FLAprogressive]

215. Exactly. The DLCers act a lot like the GOP when it comes to history.

they like to rewrite it to suit their needs...

[HooptieWagon]

71. Yes, she was lying her ass off during the Fla Primary fiasco.

I have no respect for a liar who sabotages the campaigns of her fellow Dems. She cannot be trusted, and if she runs for the Senate I will not vote for her.

[FLAprogressive]

85. as others said, the DLC is making her a rising star and apparently it's working.....

....because otherwise intelligent people are eating up the crap she's feeding them in droves.

She is not to be trusted and I would NEVER support her if she ran for Senate.

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[Raine]

36. I LOVE her

she can really rip em a new one! :bounce: :thumbsup:

[zulchzulu]

39. The Repig now has two assholes to shit from since she ripped him a new one n/t

[firedupdem]

40. Just caught the replay! She was great! She kicked his ass! n/t

[KathieG]

41. I love her...she is sharp and really does her homework.

[4lbs]

43. Brian Bilbray is a twit that I know all too well. Here's the story on him.

In San Diego county some years ago, he was the mayor of a small city called Imperial Beach before running as CA state rep. After that, he served as a lobbyist in Washington.

Imperial Beach I guess you can say is similiar to Wasilla, Alaska in terms of size and uh... well whatever.

Anyway, the election for US Rep was in 2006 and occurred because Republican US Rep Randall "Duke" Cunningham was convicted of bribery charges.

After a series of primary and runoff elections, Bilbray was virtually tied with Democrat Francine Busby. He was ahead by only a few votes.

The difference in votes was less than the difference between Coleman and Franken, and there was a recount to be done. The recount had it closer, and before Busby could challenge this in court and demand a hand recount, Bilbray's friends in Congress skewered the system in a way that had him quickly sworn in and seated. The lawsuit by Busby ended up getting dismissed because it was determined that once the House Reps swore him in, the California court no longer had jurisdiction on the matter.

So, as far as I am concerned Bilbray shouldn't even have that seat, because he stole it right out from underneath Francine Busby.

[nsd]

49. Bilbray is a twit, but the story is bit messed up in places.

Bilbray was a US congressman from a different district before becoming a lobbyist, not a CA state representative.

In the 2006 special election (to fill the unexpired part of Cunningham's term), Busby led Bilbray by a lot in the first all-party matchup, but that was really because Busby was the only serious Democrat in the race, whereas there were several plausible Republicans running. In the runoff, Bilbray won by around five points. It wasn't close. There was no lawsuit. Busby just lost.

This is my district and I liked Francine Busby (and I certainly voted for her), but she wasn't really a strong campaigner. And she made a costly gaffe a couple of days before the election, when she told an illegal immigrant something like "you don't need papers for voting." She didn't mean it the way it sounded, but that line was played on the radio continuously right before the election. We're only about 40 miles from the Mexican border here, and illegal immigration is a sensitive topic. Nick Leibham, the Democratic candidate in 2008, was much stronger. He lost, but that's really because it's mostly a Republican district.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

44. Bilbray from San Diego area - using the loud, interrupting, bullying, lying method of discussion.

[Tennessee Gal]

45. YES!

That was a thing of beauty!

[MasonJar]

47. Don't canonize her. Even though she is in charge of dems in the House,

she worked for at least two (maybe 3) GOPers in 2008 against dems running because the GPers were her buds in Congress.

[MADem]

53. What is this bullshit I see sprinkled throughout this thread?

Repeated, in hit and run fashion? Now she "worked for" two or three GOPers in 2008 AGAINST Dems?

And she's not "in charge of Dems in the House." She's a "Chief Deputy Whip," one of eight, well down the food chain--in fact, she's on the bottom rung of the leadership ladder. She reports to John Lewis, who is the "SENIOR Chief Deputy Whip."

Steny Hoyer and Rep. Clyburn are "in charge of Dems in the House." The deputies just do what they're told.

[HooptieWagon]

74. She controlled DCCC funds that she denied Dem candidates...

... that were running against her extreme RW republican friends. What kind of loyal Dem does that?

[MADem]

119. She did not "control" funds. She was a deputy. Deputies do not "control" funds.

They "disburse" funds...at the direction of the higher ups.

You need to look up the latter to Clyburn and Hoyer if you want to spread blame. You're acting like she was an independent operator, not listening to the powerbrokers within the caucus who were controlling the show, playing her own game...and that's well, BULLSHIT.

DWS is a wonderful legislator--strong, smart, and pragmatic. We are fortunate to have her.

[HooptieWagon]

125. Well, if you mean by "We are fortunate to have her."

that the Democratic Party is fortunate to have a Congresswoman who pals around with extreme RW Republicans, denies funds to Dem candidates opposing them, and spews out and out lies about the Florida primary on national TV - then I disagree. It would seem that the republicans and republican lites are positively overjoyed with that kind of behavior.

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[HooptieWagon]

155. How's this for a declarative sentence - You are lying.

http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/Red_to_Blue /


If the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program doesn't control funds from that program, then who do you think does? And why would the Co-Chair of that program protect her extreme RW Republican friends by denying any money to Dem candidates running for those Republican-held Congressional seats? This is why I simply don't trust DWS - Like Lieberman, it is difficult to tell whom she's working for (other than herself).



Feb 28, 2006

DCCC Announces Red to Blue Program for Strong Candidates for Change Across the Country
DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel, Unveils Program to Boost Top Democratic Candidates, Names Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Co-Chairs of the Red to Blue Program

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Congressman Rahm Emanuel, Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, unveiled the “Red to Blue” program – a unique program that will offer support to strong Democratic candidates across the country. In order to highlight the top Democratic candidates and help them raise campaign funds as well as provide structural support for the campaigns, the DCCC’s “Red to Blue” program will encourage candidates to emphasize their own policy proposals while assisting them with important resources that will keep them competitive as November 2006 gets closer. This will be an exclusive program that will reward the candidates and campaigns that are most skilled, not only at raising money on their own, but at getting their message across to the voters they hope to represent.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel also announced that Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will serve as co-chairs of the Red to Blue Program at the DCCC.

“The ‘Red to Blue’ program will provide a meaningful boost to our Democratic candidates who are actively and aggressively campaigning for change,” said DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “The November 2006 election will be a critical referendum on the direction of our nation. Democratic candidates are campaigning on a message of change – change from the status quo Republican priorities that have cost American families in ways ranging from higher gas and home heating prices, to higher college tuition bills and the most expensive prescription drugs in history. The DCCC’s ‘Red to Blue’ program will give our top candidates the structural and financial edge they’ll need in order to win in November.”

[MADem]

160. Look who's talking!! RECRUITERS don't handle FINANCES.

Sales isn't Invoices.

Sorry, Slick--even "raising" money isn't the same as disbursing money.

The only money that DWS controls is the money that is donated to HER, or to any PAC she runs. She does not control DCCC disbursements. That pony won't carry you or your silly fantasy.

You're trying to call a plumber an electrician, and hoping like hell that a large number of paragraphs will cover the fact that you've proved .... absolutely NOTHING.

[HooptieWagon]

165. So now you are spinning a Co-Chair is only a recruiter?

That is a pathetic attempt to re-write history.

[MADem]

168. A co-chair of a SUBORDINATE committee IS only a recruiter.

You're not too sharp if you don't understand her position in the pecking order, which you clearly don't.

These are the people who are giving the orders and writing the CHECKS: http://www.dccc.org/pages/leadership/

The co-chairs of SUBcommittees, who are also in primary roles as DEPUTIES, do not act independently--they take orders. They also do not write checks out of the DCCC bank account.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Go on and do another "parrot and insult" if you'd like. It still won't make you "correct" because you are dead wrong.

[HooptieWagon]

175. From my link

"The Red to Blue Program will be managed by the Red to Blue Co-Chairs who will serve as the public face of the program and drive many of the fundraising, policy and message efforts. The Co-Chairs will also seek additional help from their colleagues in Congress."


A manager is not a recruiter, just as a Co-Chair is not a deputy; despite your fabricated claims and spin.

[MADem]

181. Jesus, you aren't reading. Fundraising is a separate activity from DISBURSEMENT.

How many times do we have to pound that nail before you start to figure it out, hmmmmm?

One more time--DWS is a DEPUTY. That's a standing job she's got. She has had it since the last Congress. If you don't know that, you show yourself to be....er, UNDEREDUCATED...about how the DCCC works.

Here, have a look at this page, since you don't seem to get it. Scroll down--look at the very last name on this list of people who work for Majority Whip Clyburn, via his Senior Chief Deputy, John Lewis: http://majoritywhip.house.gov/whip_team/

I can't believe you keep arguing with me, and don't KNOW this simple and obvious fact. Like I said, embarrassing for you. She's had the job for awhile, too--since the LAST Congress.

The red to blue effort is a COLLATERAL responsibility. It is also a FUNDRAISING responsibility--not a cash disbursement role. The cash disbursement happens WAY higher in the food chain than DWS. What that job entails is, after people way above DWS (like Steny Hoyer and, in the last round, Rahm Emmanuel) select vetted candidates who have a shot at winning red districts, people like DWS and others hold their hands and help them with the campaigning and fundraising end of things. In other words, people like DWS follow marching orders, and do what they are told.

She's also got a recruiting job, too. http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/debbie_wasserman_schultz_to_head_incumbent_retention_effort/

And she's STILL a Deputy. Do check that first link if you haven't, yet.

See, she can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Wish we could see more of that around here.

[HooptieWagon]

187. From the DCCC Press release, provided several times, yet you refuse to read.

OK, so now you are claiming that the DCCC Red to Blue program only raises funds, but doesn't dispurse them? That is a ridiculous arguement. What good would that do? Your ridiculous semantic arguement aside, DWS did none of the job she was tasked to do in regards to several Dem candidates running against her RW friends. You can spin this all you want, you can attempt to re-write history, you can continue to make unfactual and ridiculous claims - but I haven't forgotten what happened, and will continue to set the record straight that DWS favored exreme RW republican candidates over the Democratic ones she was charged with helping.



Press Releases
DCCC Press
Feb 28, 2006

DCCC Announces Red to Blue Program for Strong Candidates for Change Across the Country
DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel, Unveils Program to Boost Top Democratic Candidates, Names Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Co-Chairs of the Red to Blue Program

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Congressman Rahm Emanuel, Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, unveiled the “Red to Blue” program – a unique program that will offer support to strong Democratic candidates across the country. In order to highlight the top Democratic candidates and help them raise campaign funds as well as provide structural support for the campaigns, the DCCC’s “Red to Blue” program will encourage candidates to emphasize their own policy proposals while assisting them with important resources that will keep them competitive as November 2006 gets closer. This will be an exclusive program that will reward the candidates and campaigns that are most skilled, not only at raising money on their own, but at getting their message across to the voters they hope to represent.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel also announced that Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will serve as co-chairs of the Red to Blue Program at the DCCC.

“The ‘Red to Blue’ program will provide a meaningful boost to our Democratic candidates who are actively and aggressively campaigning for change,” said DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “The November 2006 election will be a critical referendum on the direction of our nation. Democratic candidates are campaigning on a message of change – change from the status quo Republican priorities that have cost American families in ways ranging from higher gas and home heating prices, to higher college tuition bills and the most expensive prescription drugs in history. The DCCC’s ‘Red to Blue’ program will give our top candidates the structural and financial edge they’ll need in order to win in November.”

Congressman Rahm Emanuel is thankful that Reps. Van Hollen and Wasserman Schultz have taken on this challenge and agreed to continue their efforts to bring more Democrats to the House of Representatives.

“I am pleased to serve as a Co-Chair of the Red to Blue Program,” said Congressman Chris Van Hollen. “This initiative is a vital part of our strategy to support strong candidates who want to get our nation moving forward again. It is a vehicle through which all Americans can contribute to change.”

“Two key components of a winning campaign are message and the resources to make sure that message is heard by your voters. The DCCC’s Red to Blue program will put the right structural and financial resources in place in campaigns across the country. Our goal is to identify the campaigns that can win and provide them with the extra resources to ensure that they do win,” said Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The Red to Blue Program
In order to highlight top tier candidates and help them to raise additional money and supplement the campaigns’ structure, the DCCC introduced the “Red to Blue” program. Red to Blue is meant to provide successful candidates with a much needed boost in money and infrastructure early in the campaign. The help these candidates receive will be in addition to the campaign’s own fundraising and message delivery efforts.

Candidates must meet specific requirements before qualifying for the Red to Blue program. The program is designed for campaigns that prove they are capable of meeting fundraising goals and executing press events every quarter.

The Red to Blue Program will be managed by the Red to Blue Co-Chairs who will serve as the public face of the program and drive many of the fundraising, policy and message efforts. The Co-Chairs will also seek additional help from their colleagues in Congress.

Red to Blue was a proven success in 2004 and the DCCC is making key improvements to it as well as maintaining the most impactful elements of the program. In 2004, the Red to Blue program raised nearly $7.5 million for twenty seven campaigns across the country with an average of more than $250,000 per campaign. Red to Blue was also responsible for solidifying the structure of dozens of campaigns and making a real difference for Democrats across America.

[MADem]

196. You can bold all day. You can post that a hundred times.

You still aren't making your case. A "public face" isn't the person in charge. A "public face" TAKES ORDERS FROM the people in charge.

That's like saying that Scott McClellan was the President of the United States for the last four years.

:rofl:

Learn the DCCC hierarchy, and stop making a fool of yourself.

[HooptieWagon]

204. A hundred times, and still you claim a Co-Chair is a nobody.

:eyes:

You've been exposed as a DLC shill still spreading disinformation and propaganda... care to keep going? Care to humiliate yourself futher? I find it illuminating that you DLCers so often resort to the republicanesque strategy of repeated bold-faced lies - gotta catapult the propaganda, right?. Of course, the DLC is republican where it counts, which is why they detest progressives, and will even favor RW republicans over progressive Dem candidates..

[MADem]

208. I didn't say "nobody." I said foot soldier. Stop making shit up.

It doesn't help your lame argument.
I haven't been "exposed" as anything. You've been exposed as a trollish baiter, though. Keep it up!

:eyes: indeed. You haven't the insight to see how foolish you look.

You don't read, either. If you did, you'd stop repeating falsehoods and insults, like a parrot.

And, FWIW, if you are a progressive, which I frankly question, you're giving them a very bad name. Most are brighter than you're showing yourself to be.

[HooptieWagon]

210. As a Co-Chair, she was charged with a job - which she refused to do when it threatened her RW friend

Spin it all you want- facts are facts, and the facts are that she was tasked with helping Dem Candidates win Republican-held Congressional seats... and when that job threatened her RW Republican friends she elected to protect them rather than help a Dem. I know that doesn't bother an obidient DLCer like yourself, but it does bother some Dems - which is why you are frantically trying to spin away her actions and attack those who are calling them out. The more you fabricate, spin, and insult; the more your weak arguement is exposed as the DLC propaganda it is. :eyes:

[MADem]

212. Well, that's just untrue. Like the rest of your fantasy. NT

[HooptieWagon]

213. You have proof she helped Doug Tudor? Lets see it. n/t

[MADem]

216. You have proof she is a "traitor?" Let's see it. No, let's not.

Your head is wedged in fantasy land, and all you're doing now is baiting. Not very masterfully, either.

[HooptieWagon]

220. Thought so, there's no proof she helped Tudor b/c she didn't.

She was protecting her RW republican friends from Dem challengers. Nice to know the DLC is so loyal to the Dem Party.

[MADem]

223. Thought so? What did you think? You thought she was "in charge" of disbursing money to candidates,

too.

But hey, keep on with your commentary. You apparently need to paint her as the devil to make yourself feel special, or important, or something. It sure makes you appear less-than-knowlegeable, but that ship sailed way upthread.

It also doesn't change the fact that DWS is a rising star, a friend to and strong supporter of President Obama, and there's nothing you can do to change that. Even with your silly partisan fantasies.


Shortly after clinching the Democratic Nomination for President of the United States,
Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) campaigned in Coral Gables, Florida. He is flanked by U.S.
Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) on the left, and U.S. Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
on the right. They appeared together at the Bank United Center on September 19, 2008.

[HooptieWagon]

234. Answer the question - Did she help Doug Tudor in any way? n/t

[HooptieWagon]

236. *******

No surprise she's ducking the question, because there's no excuse for the answer.

[MADem]

239. Who is this "she" of whom you speak? Do you think that discussion boards work like IM?

That everyone hangs on your lame and uninformed posts?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!! Now!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[MADem]

238. What would that "prove" pray tell? Or not prove?

Why, nothing. As a Red to Blue co-chair, her job was to do what the leadership told her to do in her assigned area of responsibility, hold the hands of those chosen by leadership, and assist them as directed by leadership. She never had the checkbook. She never had the authority, either. She's well down in the pecking order.

This has all been established, yet you refuse to acknowledge it. You just have to get your Debbie Hate on, doncha?

"Answer the question!!"

What are you, The Inquisitor?

:rofl:

Here, dig this pic:

[HooptieWagon]

241. Did DWS help Doug Tudor's congressinal campaign in any way?

Stop ducking the question.

[MADem]

244. You do realize that Tudor called Reid, Pelosi and the entire Democratic leadership

out, don't you? And you're pissed that they didn't "reward" him? What are you smoking? Why do you demand answers to obvious questions? It doesn't make you appear clever, it makes you seem dull and uninformed.

Of course she didn't help the Master Chief, who was disorganized, had a halfassed campaign, and was INTEMPERATE and unprepared. Why? Because Tudor was running AGAINST the party, using the Democratic ticket. Who's going to give someone money when they INSULT you?

You, apparently, think the yeoman/flag writer was owed a living. Sorry--he's gotta earn it. He didn't. He didn't cut it, which is why he didn't get any red-blue money. He called out Pelosi and Reid, which isn't the way to get funding for your campaign from them. Further, he was running in a district where Howdy Doody was entrenched, and had a lot of BushCo cash.

He couldn't have won even if he'd stayed on message and had a million bucks.

But see, you don't get how these decisions are made--you're just pissed because the YNCM was your choice, and leadership didn't agree with your assessment and wanted to put their money on candidates who could win.

"Waah, the DCCC didn't agree with me...it's all a DLC plot!!!" is a dumb argument. Yet you keep repeating it.

[HooptieWagon]

250. yes, he called on Pelosi ,Reid, and Nelson to end the war. You disagree?

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2451


by: JohnnyCougar
Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 1:14 AM EDT

crossposted at kos
Howie Klein wrote a good article in the Huffington Post today, introducing Doug Tudor to the online community. Doug is a family man, a 20+ year Navy veteran running against Tom DeLay crony Adam Putnam, of dubious anti-Pelosi fame.

Doug retired from the Navy for the sole purpose of running for office in this seat. His wife is in the air force, and his family is living off just her salary for now. Doug is a solid candidate, but is a family man just like us, so he needs grassroots support to help his campaign along.

more...

JohnnyCougar :: Uprising In Florida: Meet Doug Tudor (FL-12)

Klein gives a good overview of the race here in central Florida:


Yesterday, DWT contacted Doug Tudor, a twenty year naval veteran who has decided to challenge Putnam is his central Florida bastion east of Tampa. Formerly a strong Democratic district, dispirited Democrats didn't even bother running a candidate in 2006. Tudor is shaking up politics in Polk County, not by trying to echo Republican talking points but by presenting a clear and powerful alternative, the alternative Americans want to hear. Predictably, the cowardly Democratic Establishment, which prefers Republican-lite candidates, is trying to ignore his grassroots race. Tudor, who traveled to Iraq over 30 times, has been endorsed by Democracy for America. His politics are strongly progressive across the board. He wants to end the war in Iraq. He defends a woman's right to choice. He would never support inequality for any Americans and he supports the equal rights for gay men and women. He knows Bush will never end the war and in his campaign speeches he calls on Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Florida Senator Bill Nelson to end the war. I had a feeling he might have something to say about warrantless wiretapping and retroactive immunity. He did:

"On five occasions during my Navy career, I raised my hand and affirmed 'to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.' Members of Congress take a similar oath. I believe that those members who voted in favor of HR 6304 did so in violation of their oath of office. I would have voted against this bill."
Doug Tudor needs your help to defeat Adam Putnam, a puppet who votes with Bush nearly 100% of the time in a district that has more registered Democrats than Republicans. It's also a district that is high in veteran population. Get involved or donate here. This area has been shifting red lately because Democrats have basically ignored it. With Florida being a swing state in this election, having a strong candidate on the ticket in every district will help out Obama as well. People here are fed up, and there is a lot of enthusiasm among activists in this area. We signed up over 150 volunteers (for the Obama campaign) a week and a half ago for Polk County alone. We can win this thing and send Adam Putnam packing with your help!

[MADem]

253. He wasn't a team player. He wasn't staying on message.

You don't "call out" your own leadership when you're trying to win an election from Commander in Chief on down. You certainly can say you want to end the war, but you don't put your own party leadership "on report" for it. It was either a rookie mistake, or a deliberately obstreperous move. I've seen tape of the guy--I vote for the latter.

The guy was a paper pusher for Tommy Franks and a few other flags--a desk jockey. IMO, he did not have a chance in hell. His personality alone was bland and his speaking style profoundly uninspiring.

If he did have a hope of winning, he would have been funded. What, you think they picked all sorts of "fighting Dems" but DWS was the boogieman or woman who stiff armed this guy, all by herself? And but for her, he would have won? Come on.

You apparently don't understand the vetting process, which involves selection, followed by interviews by assorted senior leadership staffers prior to interviews, often in DC, by party leaders way above the co-chair level, if they "cut" it. Then, there's a background check, a big, long one.

This guy didn't cut it. For whatever reason.

See, that's what too many just don't get--the importance of staying on message. Tudor didn't get it either. And of course, he was up against Bush Money Howdy Doody. It's also pointless to fund someone who just isn't going to win, whose competition has bottomless pockets, a ton of name recognition, and an entrenched organization. He failed the vetting process and didn't receive funding because of all these factors.

Odds are also possible to pretty good that there were some discrepancies in his stated beliefs and his attitudes from his days working at CENTCOM, too. If so, that would have come out as part of any investigation prior to endorsement. Flag writers can sometimes be regarded as pompous, "wear the boss's rank," snotty little shits--they're frequently disliked for this very reason. Flag LTs catch the same attitude sometimes. Who knows what, if anything, was flipped over on this guy.

Bottom line--He didn't pass inspection. And DWS wasn't the inspector of the Fighting Dem candidates, in fact, she likely was not even the gatekeeper at all. Those calls were made at the national level.

But hey, she's convenient, she is close by, and she's easy to blame. Even though she's not at fault for the fact that a guy who wasn't going to win that district no matter what couldn't get any money from Steny Hoyer or Rahm Emmanuel.

And that's the truth.

[HooptieWagon]

257. Spin this: All Dem Candidates were calling for the wars end.

Was every single Dem candidate "off message"?

[MADem]

262. Wow, you really don't read, do you? And you get shamelessly smug about it, too. How...sad.

Did you read the very first sentence in my post? What part of

You don't "call out" your own leadership when you're trying to win an election from Commander in Chief on down. You certainly can say you want to end the war, but you don't put your own party leadership "on report" for it.


don't you understand? Why is that simple sentence so hard for you to process?

See, "every single Dem candidate" didn't insult the people with the checkbook in making that point about the war.

[HooptieWagon]

265. OK - got it., You oppose anti-war Dems.

Goodluck with that position on DU... no wonder you are so bitter. Maybe you can find solace with the other dead-ender PUMAs at H44.

[MADem]

266. No, you don't get it. And you seem proud of your inability to comprehend, too.

I'm not bitter at all (that, and the PUMA nonsense, was a sad reach on your part)--I'm thrilled that President Obama is doing as well as he's doing, with the help of dedicated legislators like DWS, but you're certainly showing yourself to be both immature and obstreperous with your childish name-calling. You're fond of shooting the messenger, too, apparently.

I think you might want to check your attitude about who is and is not welcome here on DU. You're not the arbiter of that--in case you were confused (and that would be unsurprising). You could do with a reread of the rules, too...but then, given your inability to comprehend the writen word, I wonder how much you'd get out of such an exercise.

[PassingFair]

243. He/she has indeed made the case. You are exposed as a fool.

As usual.

:rofl:

And an ABUSIVE one at that.

The facts speak for themselves.

Wasserman-Schultz can kick back
with Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman
on your back porch, if that's what
you want.

The rest of us wouldn't answer the
door if they rang.

[MADem]

245. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

"As usual." If anyone is abusive, it's those abusing the truth on this thread, and I see you proudly join that club.

The facts do speak for themselves. The DCCC put together a winning strategy.

And a picture is worth a thousand words:

[PassingFair]

246. Wasserman's "strategy" was to install Clinton.

Winning?

Not if the RULES were enforced.

Which they were.

You have fun with your turncoats
and corpo dems.

[MADem]

248. Are you really enjoying all that righteous indignation, or are you just faking it real good?

Have another look at this pretty pic:



DWS is a fine Democrat, and a great friend to, and advocate for, our President. He likes her, and he respects her, and he will reward her for all her help to him.

She certainly "gets it" better than you seem to do. She put her personal wishes aside, sucked it up, behaved like an adult, and put her efforts and energies behind our nominee for the greater good of the Democratic Party, even though he wasn't her first choice. She worked hard for him, too. You, and other "my way or the highway" types, can't manage to understand the whole "greater good" theme. If money isn't mindlessly thrown at sure losers like YNCM Tudor who suddenly decide they are left of left of left, you get pissed. You shoot the messengers. All you can muster is anger and insults. Poor you.

I thank heavens that people like DWS are running the show, and not people like you.

I like winning, you see.

[PassingFair]

249. I would rather vote for something I want and NOT get it, than vote for

something I don't want and get it.

You like "winning" at any cost....

that's just losing on a greater scale.

Your "greater good" theme extends only
to enriching "the party".

Some of us look to do the right thing
for the COUNTRY.

[MADem]

255. Well, then you go right ahead and DO that, then! And feel pleased as punch when you do! nt

[HooptieWagon]

158. A Co-Chair is a deputy? Your spin is pathetic.

http://dccc.org/newsroom/entry/Red_to_Blue /


Feb 28, 2006

DCCC Announces Red to Blue Program for Strong Candidates for Change Across the Country
DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel, Unveils Program to Boost Top Democratic Candidates, Names Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Co-Chairs of the Red to Blue Program

(Washington, D.C.) – Today, Congressman Rahm Emanuel, Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, unveiled the “Red to Blue” program – a unique program that will offer support to strong Democratic candidates across the country. In order to highlight the top Democratic candidates and help them raise campaign funds as well as provide structural support for the campaigns, the DCCC’s “Red to Blue” program will encourage candidates to emphasize their own policy proposals while assisting them with important resources that will keep them competitive as November 2006 gets closer. This will be an exclusive program that will reward the candidates and campaigns that are most skilled, not only at raising money on their own, but at getting their message across to the voters they hope to represent.

Congressman Rahm Emanuel also announced that Congressman Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) will serve as co-chairs of the Red to Blue Program at the DCCC.

“The ‘Red to Blue’ program will provide a meaningful boost to our Democratic candidates who are actively and aggressively campaigning for change,” said DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel. “The November 2006 election will be a critical referendum on the direction of our nation. Democratic candidates are campaigning on a message of change – change from the status quo Republican priorities that have cost American families in ways ranging from higher gas and home heating prices, to higher college tuition bills and the most expensive prescription drugs in history. The DCCC’s ‘Red to Blue’ program will give our top candidates the structural and financial edge they’ll need in order to win in November.”

[MADem]

161. She is a CHIEF DEPUTY WHIP under Lewis, who answers to Clyburn. DUHHHHH.

That's not "spin." That's fact. You apparently remain blissfully and partisanly unaware of this basic truth.

But your silly spin, that she somehow, magically and mendaciously managed to get her paws on the cash that Pelosi, Hoyer, and Emmanuel controlled in the last election cycle, and spread it around willy-nilly without the say-so of the leadership, is a bit "pathetic." It's also lacking in any sort of reality-based logic, too.

You're on the losing team when it comes to DWS. Live with it.

[HooptieWagon]

163. My link is to a DCCC press release - she was Co-Chair during the '08 election

Its right there in the link. A Co-Chair is not a deputy... why are you lying about that simple fact, which I have substantiated with the DCCC's own press release?

[MADem]

166. One. More. Time. Because. You. Cannot. READ.

Being a co-chair--a RECRUITER--does not mean she controlled or disbursed DCCC funds. She didn't DO that. And you can't prove it, and haven't proven it with your bullshit cut-n-paste. And because you can't prove it, you've gone into "parrot and insult" mode that people who have lost the argument do. Repeat the same shit, over and over, and toss in an insult (liar liar) on top of it.

You've lost the argument. You're wrong. Get used to it.

Keep using the word "lying" in violation of DU rules, too, while you're at it, it's what people who have lost the argument often seem to do, because they can't come up with a link that proves their false assertions--it's apropos to your own situation, frankly.

[HooptieWagon]

179. What part of Co-Chair don't you get?

"The Red to Blue Program will be managed by the Red to Blue Co-Chairs who will serve as the public face of the program and drive many of the fundraising, policy and message efforts. The Co-Chairs will also seek additional help from their colleagues in Congress."

Once again, a Co-Chair is in charge. They are not a deputy, or a lowly recruiter. It is quite evident your agenda is to minimize DWS's disloyalty to fellow Dems, but you will not be allowed to re-write history.

[MADem]

185. You don't know what you're talking about. You don't understand DCCC chain of command, either.

She was "assigned" to that job, rocket scientist. Who do you suppose did that? Or did she anoint herself?

Good grief. Keep digging that hole, tell us when you get to China....

[quiller4]

57. That simply is not true

It is a Republican talking point that the Ds in the invloved races have denied time and again.

[FLAprogressive]

84. Why would Doug Tudor lie about what she did to him at the DNC???

She brushed him off and told him to "not pull that populist stuff" on her?

The real liars are the DLC/DWS lovers......

[HooptieWagon]

128. "The real liars are the DLC/DWS lovers......"

Might as well include the HRC PUMAs who just can't let go...

[Dr.Phool]

138. Or John Russell, when she back-doored him for her "friend"

Ginny Brown-Waite. And you might want to talk to Jan Schneider. Lieberman- Schultz Rahm, and the DCCC really screwed her in 2006 primaries.

And just for the record, I had a high level position in the Russell campaign, and Schneider is a friend of mine. Among too many others to mention here.

[HooptieWagon]

167. Yes, the DLC/DWS astroturfers are out in force spinning her disloyalty.

Makes me question their agenda, and certainly makes me even more resolute to not vote for a DWS US Senate campaign. If they are willing to lie about DWS's refusal to support Dem Candidates who were running against her RW friends, then what else are they lying about?

[ccharles000]

50. she is great

[Clio the Leo]

52. There is this collection of women around Barack Obama....

.... who, in my mind, are like some kind of all-female strike force ninja death squadron. Hillary, Claire, Jennifer Granholm of Michigan and Debbie. I'm sure I'm leaving out some.

With class and style, these women can figuratively castrate a GOP buffoon at 20 paces. They are cool to quite cool.

It's like Charlie's Angels but without the jumpsuits .... but jumpsuits are back in this year, so who knows?

[kywildcat]

65. That sums it up! Thanks for writing what I've been trying

to say.

[AtomicKitten]

55. I'm a big fan of Debs. She has a black belt in smacking down Republicans. n/t

[FLAprogressive]

114. And a black belt at smacking down fellow Dems. She blew off Dem candidate Doug Tudor last year

and told him not to "pull that populist stuff on me."

Yeah she's a real team player.

[AtomicKitten]

121. There's that too.

I was commenting on her latest run-in with a wingnut. Another thing I have to tip my for is her coming around in the GE for Obama. Her execution in that regard was flawless.

But, it is true she is of the tribe of Democrats that has shown contempt for the populist/progressive wing of the party, and that has fomented into a power struggle within the party by virtue of Democrats controlling the White House and both houses of Congress.

I can only speak for myself and I want the party to reconnect with the liberal/progressive roots that have been sacrificed on the altar of centrism. Populism is making a comeback.

[Generic Brad]

60. I am surely glad she is on our side

She is a very convincing and persuasive debater.

[FLAprogressive]

90. I wish she was on our side. She's really on the side of Wall Street and big corporations

never trust the DLC.

[wyldwolf]

97. me, too! But beware of the perfect KOS kids DINOS who are trashing her

[jillan]

61. Love her!

[PBS Poll-435]

63. I am a DWS minion!

The special order speeches in 05/06 were awesome!

My must-see TV.

[and-justice-for-all]

64. Repukes need a good verbal lashing...nt

[Terri S]

66. Here's the video

Link

Debbie is my Congresswoman and she has been fantastic, except for a short time during the primaries when it seemed like some bad remake of the 'Invasion of the Bodysnatchers'. I moved here when I had Jeb as a governor and Mel Martinez and Bill Nelson as senators. To say the least, she was a much needed sanity-saver. Dems should put her on the air every chance they get - she takes no crap from anyone.

[spooky3]

186. she was great, thanks!

[BklynChick]

70. she is smart and a hard-ass. Love her!

[Honeycombe8]

73. I just learned who she was last year. She kicks butt. She's a keeper.

I would certainly want her on MY side and not agin' me.

[FLAprogressive]

86. Nah. She's an opportunist. you're falling into the DLC trap.

[wyldwolf]

96. Honeycombe8 , don't listen to the KOS kids who are trashing her.

They want to be Democrats when they grow up but don't have what it takes.

[bertman]

80. She's a DINO. All of you who think she's a good Democrat are delusional. She's DLC

hardcore. You can gloss over the fact that she personally scuttled three good Democratic challengers in the most recent elections, but it's a fact.

If you want to see a good example of her loyalty to the Constitution just watch her "performance" during the House Judiciary Committee Impeachment Hearing held last July. Debbie W was there in all of her resplendent glory, going on and on about all SHE has done for America while other Democrats were trying to get the House to impeach the Deserter-in-Chief.

She's one of the "chosen ones" that the DLC is pushing for higher office because she is a barracuda who will do whatever and say whatever to get her way. But she is no progressive and is a corporate shill of the highest order. That's why she's getting so much face time on the networks now. Do you really think the corporate media want progressive Democrats to get the exposure?

[FLAprogressive]

82. the morons don't care though..."she wears our jersey, she must be good!"

[Shakespeare]

198. No, she IS good.

I was and am a strong Obama supporter, and was chagrined when she was campaigning for Hillary (and not my guy), because yes, she's THAT good. I wanted her on MY side, so I was delighted when the primaries ended and she became one of the best surrogates out there for Obama.

She's ours, she's NOT a DINO, and you won't find a better fighter on our side of the aisle. I've never seen anybody with such an exhaustive knowledge of stats, always at the ready to refute the republican morons.

[wyldwolf]

95. The DINOS are the "progressives" who want to be Democrats when the grow up

[Raineyb]

99. The actual DINOs are the DLCers who sell out actual Democrats to suck up to Wall street

corporations and the Republicans.

But you've never met a DINO that you can't come up with an excuse for.

Regards

[wyldwolf]

103. The actual DINOS are the "progressive" purity brigade

But you've never met a DINO that you can't come up with an excuse for.

Regards

[FLAprogressive]

106. wylddlc envisions a Democratic party that is no different than the Republican party, except on

social issues

(which is slowly what it's becoming)

[wyldwolf]

107. FLAnutgressive has very misinformed view of the historic and current state of the Dem party

[FLAprogressive]

110. the historic one stood up for people....the current one (DLC led) mostly stands up for bankers

[wyldwolf]

112. the "progressive" movement always attempted to infiltrate the historic party...

... just as they're doing now.

This argument was actually settled in '48, now all you have left is the whining.

[Dr.Phool]

139. Yeah, that old FDR was a real DINO.

Weaselman-Schlitz is AIPAC owned and operated. A neocon Dem.

[wyldwolf]

141. FDR has what to do with 1948? LOL!

[Imagevision]

191. ->that is no different than the Republican party? - now that's a s-t-r-e-t-c-h...

[FLAprogressive]

214. that's what he envisions....

[Raineyb]

259. It is not purity to expect Democrats to not act like Republicans

The fact that you don't know the difference shows exactly where your leanings lie.

If you like the corporatists so much why the hell are you a Democrat. They're supposed to give a damn about people something that clearly isn't in your makeup.

Regards

[Phx_Dem]

100. The point of this thread, which I thought was pretty clear, is to recognize

her awesome debating skills. She kicks ass and takes names. There is absolutely no question about that.

She supported a Republican congresswoman over her Democratic counterpart so I don't think there's any delusion that she's a perfect Democrat. She isn't. But she is a fucking awesome Democratic advocate. There are many many isntances where she has kicked serious ass on TV debating some idiot fillibustering Republican.

I don't where the whole "she's the best Democrat in the world" crap from. I think someone just made that shit up.

[wyldwolf]

104. Phx_Dem, you don't get it

The "progressive" purity brigade comes to the discussion from an misinformed viewpoint to begin with, then are constantly moving the goal posts on the Democratic playing field.

If any of them have ever met a perfect Democrat, it's themselves. In their minds, they're perfect.

[FLAprogressive]

108. Since we're using goal posts...assume on that on a football field...

the Dems are currently 35 yards the left and the Repubs are on the 30 yard line right. wylddlc wants the party to move to the 50 or even further right....to where we're barely distinguishable from the pubs.

[wyldwolf]

109. assume we're on the football field

... but "progressives" are the fans in the stands with painted faces telling everyone how the team should be run.

[Phx_Dem]

152. LOL. I can't argue with that!

[Raineyb]

260. As usual you don't get it and your projection is laughable.

You are exactly what you accuse Progressives of being.

[bertman]

105. You're right, Phx_Dem, that was the original point, then it became a "what a wonderful

Democrat Debbie W. is so we must make her a Senator" thread.

That's why some of us have joined in the opposition stance.

[Honeycombe8]

132. You have few facts in your post about that. But all I know is what I saw on TV last year...

I didn't know anything about her. Never seen her before. She was a Hillary pusher, which I didn't like. Still, she wasn't overly obnoxious about it, as much as some of the others were (going on about sexism, poor Hillary, etc.)

When Obama won the nomination, she was fully on board the Obama Xpress. Clear minded, clear spoken, focused. On the pundit shows, she was pointed in her responses to GOP talking points, often cutting right to the core of the nonsensical GOP point. She could do that without being offensive or overly hostile. She had done her homework. And she could put her point into a few words that would fit in the time slot she had. She was pretty good. One of the best I've seen.

I say this as an objective observation, since I really didn't know much about her, or her views. Regardless of how left she was (all Democrats are left, of course), what I saw was what I saw. She did better than Kucinich at making a point, better than Richardson, better than a lot of them.

I'm not giving an opinion on whether I shared her viewpoints. I don't recall. That's not the point I was making. The point: she's on the left (apparently not AS left as some others), and she's excellent at debating on TV. It's a gift. This holds true regardless of whether you agree with the person's views or not.

[spanone]

92. mr bilbrey is a smarmy prick imo...he talked all over her too

[Jennicut]

124. Debbie is a good advocate as she is not afraid of these Rethugs

and their arguments. She is a bit too DLC for me, but I don't need a purity test to tell whether someone is a good Dem or now. Fight for us, fight for Obama's agenda. That is all I ask. Heck, at this point even Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe fought for some things for this country. I really don't need every politician to be Dennis Kucinich though I do like a lot of his ideas. Sometimes people differ on things philosophically. That is okay with me. What I cannot stand is lying or just refusing to work with Obama for pure political reasons. The Rethugs have painted themselves in corner, they are the true enemy. They are not dead enough for me yet, we need to be united as a Dem party. Then maybe I will worry about how pure Dem a politician is.

[HooptieWagon]

159. Of course she's not afraid - she's good friends with several.

Now, like you I am not in favor of a "purity test" - however, I do expect a Dem leader tasked with helping Dem Congressional cadidates actually do so, rather than protecting her RW friends. DWS was Co-Chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue Program, yet she denied funds to Fla Dems running for Congress against the Diaz-Balart bros and Ross-Leinen, and she all but endorsed Ginny Brown-Waite. She cannot be trusted.

[cooolandrew]

131. I think most folks have had enough of GOP games either in or out of congress. >

The public are ready to see these punks told what time it is and where they really stand great to see Democrats standing their ground it's a new day.

[shellgame26]

150. She's a tough cookie

She never disappoints.

[FLAprogressive]

151. I suppose refusing to help Democrats win congressional seats in FL isn't "dissapointing" to you

but it sure is to me....

[HooptieWagon]

233. I'm sure she would have helped a DLC candidate...

but since there wasn't one, she protected her RW Republican friends from a viable challenge from a Progressive Dem.

[MadMaddie]

170. Bringing facts to the table...ha...ha.. hot damn!

Stupid F..ng Republicans they are dumber than shit. They are getting called to the mat and I am loving every minute of it. Because if they try to refute the numbers they keep digging their hole deeper....

ha...ha..ha...:rofl:

[JerseygirlCT]

211. Yeah, she was awesome. And wasn't letting either Chris or the

GOP guy talk over her. She held her own and some - hell, she held *their* own for them, too!

[FrenchieCat]

225. Is this a Wasserman Schultz fan thread?

Because if it is, oh-ho!

Of course, I like her very much, and believe her to be an exemplary Dem when it comes to speaking about the Repubs!

[MADem]

230. Except for a couple of gripers, it is!

[HooptieWagon]

231. Yes, Wasserman-Schultz loves her republican friends.

She even protects them from Dem challengers. At least we now know where her loyalties lie. If there's no DLC candidate, she'll support a RW Repub.

[Malikshah]

247. Now now...you know you're

a fool who doesn't do anything but "lather rinse repeat" and make a fool of yourself in doing so.

The DCCC is beyond the likes of you.

Shame on you...After all you live in Florida and are closer than many to the issues, but..but...but...oh damn (in best Rex Harrison voice).......

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

And you're my hero :)

NO sarcasm there.

I'm done being "the fool" ;)

[MADem]

268. Why don't you and your little buddy go have a hate-fest in the corner?

You've really outdone yourself, trying to crap on this DWS appreciation thread.

You've given us some good insight into both your degree of understanding of the political process, and your maturity level.

It's rather helpful to know these things.

[vaberella]

256. Is there a vid? n/t

[DailyGrind51]

258. Candidate for Commerce Secretary?

[vaberella]

263. No, we need her where she is. She's good, useful, and gets the Blue Dogs with us.

Well sometimes.

[FLAprogressive]

269. how about Ambassador to Burkina Faso?

[demo dutch]

267. Great, sound to me like material for the 2010 anti GOP campaign ads