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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:54 PM
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Pentagon trying to dictate Obama Afghan policy.
Has anyone noticed how the corporate media and the Pentagon are trying to "muscle" the new Commander-In-Chief into doing THEIR bidding in Afghanistan?

Their comments lately that the President will lay out his Afghan strategy in a couple of days are blatant attempts to rush the President into doing what the MILITARY wants and not what is best for the country.

These military/Pentagon/defense contractors seem to have forgotten that THEY WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT and not the other way around.

I'm delighted that President Obama is not letting them bully him.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:58 PM
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1. No, I haven't noticed because President Obama ISN'T letting
anyone make this decision for him. It seems he's listening to all sides and will then make an informed decision. I'm hoping for the best, but I do think Afghanistan is a huge problem for us.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:59 PM
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2. He won't let them bully him. I just hate this Afghan and Iraq war...
what a mess!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:00 AM
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3. Good luck with that, guys.
Despite what a certain segment like to say over and over and over, "Obambi" will pwn them. Just like he pwned that certain segment.

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:31 AM
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4. Where do you get this?
Obama supposedly put the brakes on things recently when he wasn't satisfied with the endgame (or utter lack of it) in plans that HE had requested for a build-up. It is altogether unclear that the military had any real interest in escalating the Afghanistani mistake; that was and is a policy of Obama's that's been public for about a year now.

What was peculiar about his sending the brass back to the drawing board is that a definition of victory should be something for political leaders to make, not military ones. A definition of what the military situation is at the hypothetical end of conflict and the logistics of troop placement at that time are the province of the military, but the political aims of the conflict are things that should come from a commander-in-chief. It was good of him to back off if there wasn't a clear goal, but it's peculiar that this is thought to be simply their call. Whatever it takes for us to come to our senses and not get sucked into this dry-gulcher of a hell-hole is fine by me.

I see nobody "hustling" the President here; he initiated this, and he recently asked THEM for a plan for an endgame.

It's good to see him moving analytically and cautiously, if that IS what he's doing, but I see absolutely no evidence of the military particularly wanting to get sucked into a nasty insurgent war with religious overtones. Where do you get the idea that the military "wants" this and is trying to sucker the President into some kind of trap?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:22 PM
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6. What part of "Their comments lately that the President will lay out his Afghan
strategy in a couple of days are blatant attempts to rush the President into doing what the MILITARY wants and not what is best for the country." do you not comprehend?

This is what has been stated on news reports by our corporate media for at least the last two weeks, if not longer.

President Obama has made it clear that he WILL make a decision on this. And yes, he is apparently getting as much input as he can before he makes that decision.

But it is obvious that the military and primarily through the Pentagon "spokespersons" are trying to get him to make that decision NOW. I don't know why, but I think it's their job to SHUT THE FUCK UP until the Commander-In-Chief makes his decision.

This is just one more example of the military trying to run the country's policy-making apparatus by way of their Pentagon propaganda wing. But apparently you think they're just offering the President helpful little reminders to stay on their timetable.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 10:28 AM
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5. Here's an interesting article..

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Military_Budget/Mega_Pentagon.html
The Mega-Pentagon: A Bush-Enabled Monster We Can't Stop
The Pentagon has developed a taste for unrivaled power and unequaled access to the treasury that won't be easily undone by future administrations.
by Frida Berrigan, Tomdispatch.com
www.alternet.org/, May 28, 2008

A full-fledged cottage industry is already focused on those who eagerly await the end of the Bush administration, offering calendars, magnets, and t-shirts for sale as well as counters and graphics to download onto blogs and websites. But when the countdown ends and George W. Bush vacates the Oval Office, he will leave a legacy to contend with. Certainly, he wills to his successor a world marred by war and battered by deprivation, but perhaps his most enduring legacy is now deeply embedded in Washington-area politics -- a Pentagon metastasized almost beyond recognition.
The Pentagon's massive bulk-up these last seven years will not be easily unbuilt, no matter who dons the presidential mantle on January 19, 2009. "The Pentagon" is now so much more than a five-sided building across the Potomac from Washington or even the seat of the Department of Defense. In many ways, it defies description or labeling.
Who, today, even remembers the debate at the end of the Cold War aboutå what role U.S. military power should play in a "unipolar" world? Was U.S. supremacy so well established, pundits were then asking, that Washington could rely on softer economic and cultural power, with military power no more than a backup (and a domestic "peace dividend" thrown into the bargain)? Or was the U.S. to strap on the six-guns of a global sheriff and police the world as the fountainhead of "humanitarian interventions"? Or was it the moment to boldly declare ourselves the world's sole superpower and wield a high-tech military comparable to none, actively discouraging any other power or power bloc from even considering future rivalry?
The attacks of September 11, 2001 decisively ended that debate. The Bush administration promptly declared total war on every front -- against peoples, ideologies, and, above all, "terrorism" (a tactic of the weak). That very September, administration officials proudly leaked the information that they were ready to "target" up to 60 other nations and the terrorist movements within them.
The Pentagon's "footprint" was to be firmly planted, military base by military base, across the planet, with a special emphasis on its energy heartlands. Top administration officials began preparing the Pentagon to go anywhere and do anything, while rewriting, shredding, or ignoring whatever laws, national or international, stood in the way. In 2002, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld officially articulated a new U.S. military posture that, in conception, was little short of revolutionary. It was called -- in classic Pentagon shorthand -- the 1-4-2-1 Defense Strategy (replacing the Clinton administration's already none-too-modest plan to be prepared to fight two major wars -- in the Middle East and Northeast Asia -- simultaneously).
Theoretically, this strategy meant that the Pentagon was to prepare to defend the United States, while building forces capable of deterring aggression and coercion in four "critical regions" (Europe, Northeast Asia, East Asia, and the Middle East). It would be able to defeat aggression in two of these regions simultaneously and "win decisively" in one of those conflicts "at a time and place of our choosing." Hence 1-4-2-1.
And that was just going to be the beginning. We had, by then, already entered the new age of the Mega-Pentagon. Almost six years later, the scale of that institution's expansion has yet to be fully grasped, so let's look at just seven of the major ways in which the Pentagon has experienced mission creep -- and leap -- dwarfing other institutions of government in the process.

read more....http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Military_Budget/Mega_Pentagon.html
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:24 PM
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7. Yes, very interesting indeed. Thank you for posting this, stillcool.
I'm sure this has no relevance whatsoever to the Pentagon's apparent desire for Mr. President to make a hasty decision on troop levels and strategy in Afghanistan. No need for a sarcasm thingy, I hope.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:32 PM
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8. I'm finding the sarcasm thingy...
is crucial these days. I've been threatened with a pizza on a few occasions. I don't know if I'm really good at it, or really bad.:hi:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 03:24 PM
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9. I know what you mean. But I HATE that bloody thingy. If they came up with a gooder
one I'd prolly use it.

Although, I suspect that becoming a better purveyor of biting sarcasm might up my chances of getting my message across.


:-)
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