My problem against Miley Cryus dealing with the Obama girls...

[vaberella]

This pic has caused Miley hate all over YouTube and I was damned outraged when I saw her bloody actions.

There has been a lot of racist hate against Obama. And I just see Miley Cyrus as another idiot in this mix and shouldn't be allowed in the picture. She's old enough to know better but thought it was funny. I didn't find it funny and not many others did.

Now people can say...oh well everyone does it. No, no, not everyone and I personally am outraged by this.

Here are some people speaking out about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2cZUR5N0LI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VadqilDDEbU&feature=channel_page

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. What's offensive? That she's letting some guy apparently pen fuck her? That she's drunk?

That she's hanging out with obviously stupid people, one of which has truly awful taste in interior design?

None of that should be surprising - she's a piece of trash from a trash family; of course she hangs out with tasteless garbage.

[vaberella]

2. Hangs out is one thing (and I'll say that's already a problem)...she participates in it. n/t

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. Yes, she does. But what is it specifically that people are so upset about?

I mean, if they're pissed off that a tasteless no-talent whore-clown is gonna see the president's kids, they should have been just as pissed off when the Jonas Brothers did it.

[vaberella]

6. I think it's b/c the J Bros. haven't been caught racializing people on camera.

Especially actions that are known as offensive. However, talentless definitely explains the girl among others.

[Occam Bandage]

16. I think it's the "mocking Asian people" thing. nt

[Bake]

43. Hey! I **was** upset about the Jonas Brothers thing ...

I thought the girls had better taste than that.

Then again, they ARE young ...

Bake

[NYC_SKP]

9. "pen fuck her"????

OMG!

:rofl:

[vaberella]

10. Oh my God...I didn't notice that until I saw the picture again. WTF...Jesus!! oy. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

57. i was about to ask what that meant....

[ronnykmarshall]

18. That's her 21 year boyfriend

Real classy.

She's 16 and her trash parents are cool with her dating a 21 year old guy.

Great role model.

[AlCzervik]

21. The one with the pen?

eeewwwwww.

[ronnykmarshall]

36. Yeah ...

he's also an Underware Model.

[AlCzervik]

40. he looks like a douchebag, course i'm not a professional pic diagnoser like Bill Frist

but that's my opinion.

[Number23]

73. That thing is only 21?? And an underwear model??!

Somebody must have led a HARD life until Ms. Miley rolled into the picture. Yikes...

[WeDidIt]

37. I DON:'T think she's drunk

I think they're all fucking stoned.

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. I think they're at a masturbation party.

I think I'm turning Japanese
I think I'm turning Japanese
I really think so

[asteroid2003QQ47]

79. "...all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness."

"I think they're at a masturbation party."
You imply the new Big Dog is aroused and wants a taste?
"Hey, the kids want to have her over, not me!" That's an oft used old standby that seldom fails.

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"The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness." President Barack Obama 1/20/09

[pecwae]

4. If their mother is okay

with it why should anyone else have a problem?

[AlCzervik]

5. the Vanity Fair photo shoot she did with her Dad was disturbing.

Those Cyrus people just aren't right.

[vaberella]

7. Agreed...however I wasn't so appalled by that for some reason.

she was wearing jeans under the sheet. I saw the photo shoot in action. I think I was more appalled by sucking candy out of a Strippers mouth... It rubbed me the wrong way. That was of course until I saw this one.

[AlCzervik]

8. that photo shoot was just wrong and icky. I am so glad my kid is out of the Miley Cyrus

Jonas brothers Demo.

[vaberella]

11. Understood. I felt bad for the second guy in the youtube video.

Apparently he had to remove his daughters from Miley Cyrus because her actions were just too much and it's all over the net. When his kids get on and do searches on her...those pictures of her wet, sucking lolli's out of strippers mouths, and this picture are all over.

[sandnsea]

75. With her Dad?

I must have missed that one. The only one I know of is when Annie Liebowitz shot her bare back.

[damonm]

12. And I thought I was overreactive...

This ain't good, but I'd attribute it to teenage stupidity 1st. I did a LOT of shit in my youth that now leaves me wondering "what the HELL was I thinking?!?"
From all I can gather, she seems a decent kid - emphasis on the last word - who did a dumbassed thing.
Bear in mind Hanlon's Razor - "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
This can.

[vaberella]

13. Dumb? She's old enough to know better.

But then...I guess the sharing candy with a stripper is okay too right. Well whatever, she's a good kid.



I don't think she's that good.

[damonm]

17. In case republicans aren't a living reminder...

Stupid knows no age.
You just want to see evil where there is merely idiocy.
And it must be nice to have never done anything stupid in your life.
I grew up with "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and on that basis, I'd be about 57,495,384th in line for stone-casting. Apparently you're WAY further up the line.

[vaberella]

31. Evil...?

I have NEVER in my life done anything racist. First off I personally can't considering I'm multi-ethnic and get offended by a lot of stupidity.

I have major problems when people act stupid when they're old enough to know better. Hence the problems I have with so many Republicans. Plus people look up to her...so other kids out there will think, "Well if Miley does it, I can go around doing it too." ie. They are impressionable. I don't care what anyone does in their private life. But when you're a public figure putting out public images, especially participating in things that are defined as racist and offensive for anyone in particular an entire race...then I take issue. Especially when I was offended.

[damonm]

35. So you ARE further up the line, then.

Good for you - seriously. I truly wish I could say the same.
Perhaps if more of us got offended & said something about it, we'd have made even more progress than we have.
And I grant you, she SHOULD be more aware of her actions, given that she's a public figure. But the gap between "should" and "is" is far too often, huge. Too, I would be concerned about the influence her 21YO "boyfriend" is having on her - that's a HUGE gap, and it sure as hell would have corrupted me when I was 16.

[vaberella]

51. I agree with this considering that there's another fool in the pic with a glass of wine.

Which could have something to do with situation and it could mean she was doing something she most definitely shouldn't be doing as an under aged kid.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. Why is anyone surprised? The Obamas allow those girls to worship Beyonce and I find

some her explicit lyrics and suggestive posing and gyrating in videos quite disturbing and inappropriate for little girls. But hey...if they don't see anything wrong with it, then who am I to judge? :shrug:

[TreasonousBastard]

15. What does the Asian guy in the picture think...

about these goings on?

(Personally, I have limited outrage and save it for things that matter.)

[damonm]

19. That parentheitical statement...

may be the smartest thing I've heard all day. Thanks for the cold-water dose of perspective.

[Uzybone]

39. I remember during the Olympics, the spanish bball team was bashed in the US media

for making slanted eyes in a picture designed to show gratitude to the Chinese people. The image didn't even raise an eyebrow in either China or Spain. But the American overreaction complex had a field day with outrage.

[namahage]

63. I am Asian.

And I'm not offended by this at all.

It is an act of monumental stupidity, sure. But I'm not personally hurt--mainly because I don't particularly feel the need to give such idiocy any power.

That said, I would understand why others might be--and I would NOT attempt to invalidate any hurt feelings they may have.

[firedupdem]

20. My nieces love the whole Hannah Montana thing.....they don't

know "Miley Cyrus". Remember, she's watching a movie with them....not taking them out for the weekend. We have to keep things in perspective here.

[WI_DEM]

22. I have no problem with it because I'm not there parents. From everything I can see

the Obama children are good children and there parents are doing a good job, so why should I care if they invite Miley Cyrus over? It's none of my business.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Poutrage.

[damonm]

25. wait a minute - didn't we throw "poutrage" under the bus?

;-)

[WorseBeforeBetter]

68. Don't make me hate on you. (n/t)

[Hard_Work]

24. Soooo,

Which one is she again?

[vaberella]

28. Third from the left, the one sitting on the guys lap getting "pen-f***". Ugh. n/t

[liberal1973]

26. I agree should keep the white trash out of the WH

Not to mention her douche bag father is a big Handboy supporter.

A terrible singer. She's as bad a singer as rascal flatts.lol..

[Uzybone]

27. Ridiculous ....when did we become conservatives

Now bashing Obama for what pop stars his pre-teen daughters like? Geez. Can we get any more sanctimonious?

[vaberella]

29. Okay so you think racist actions are okay.

Actually you're actually saying exactly what FoxNews said in regards to Miley Cyrus' actions.

As for bashing. I'm not bashing Obama since nothing has been confirmed in regards to Miley Cyrus EVER going to the White House. That's just talk. I am however putting out my reasons why I am against Miley Cyrus going to the White House and which was brought to me on another board discussing Miley going over there. I was surprised a few people were not aware.

I was extremely offended by M. Cyrus' actions and felt that I wouldn't want that in the White House; since it would say to me that stuff like that is okay. You might think it's being sanctimonious. But that's like having someone who put on Black Face and making fun of Blacks coming to the White House. It's not bloody funny. And I would be utterly offended by that as well.

[mvd]

34. I agree; I don't like it at all

I'm not sure I'd want the Obama girls to be friends with Miley. I think they'll be fine, though, especially with just a visit - they've been given a good foundation.

As far as her music goes, I like pop, and I could never get into Miley's music.

[Teaser]

45. Please be careful of matches...

[Milo_Bloom]

30. What is wrong with the picture?

[vaberella]

32. If I have to explain it...then obviously nothing. n/t

[Milo_Bloom]

33. If you have to explain it, it is because you have to search for it.

[vaberella]

38. Far from it...you can see the actions but think nothing is wrong with it

since you asked what is wrong with the pic. You see several posts on this thread some in outrage and some who care less. You could read through that, my statement, the links I provided and the picture.

I don't know how much more I need to provide for you to understand it. If you can't see it, after all of the above...then it's not worth my time.

[Milo_Bloom]

41. You can find offensive content in anything if you search for it.

And it is pretty easy to lead people in that direction if you try and force it out of them or you WANT to find offensive content.

Obviously, there is nothing wrong with the actions in this picture.

It is sad that some people are so hypersensitive that they have to make something out of this.

If only people got this offended by the lack of proper health care in the country...

[vaberella]

50. I admit to being hypersensitive. I have never even denied this on this board.

As a Black Woman in NYC I have faced some serious problems on a daily basis. When I lived in Europe, just more of the same. But this is not overreaching since this is something that has offended quite a bit of people. I'm not going to sue a girl over stupidity like this as some others have done.

However, I do take offense and I don't think this something very little considering it's far reaching affects. So if other little kids start doing that to emulate a person I get the feeling taht this is alright?!

There are many in the East Asian community who are offended and I find that you're marginalizing their offense. When Rosie O'Donnell made her "ching chong" comments it didn't have any far reaching consequence and people felt that it was just Rosie being Rosie and she's a comedian. However by many here that artist doing what that artist did in regards to NYPost was not something light. And I could easily see that being people hypersensitive considering that many gave a rationalized point to their position.

However, this case this is just kids being kids and it's just her being silly but no big deal, or that's your inference. I do find that she's mature enough to know better. You have even said what she did was stupid. But please don't tell me that what I'm upset about is worthless and groundless when I see it as something that given the okay once could be done by other impressionable children.

As for comparing this to proper healthcare... My whole point for joining this site during the primaries is because I DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE and wanted Obama to win and meet others who believe that he might do something for healthcare improvement if not single-payer (and preferred his health plan over others). So please don't throw out statements as that my position is meritless when there are "far more" important things out there. I'm fully aware of the issues and the positions of politicians or I would never make educated decisions...well as much as I can make within an asymmetrically biased society. However I do have positions on other things that I do find important.

[Milo_Bloom]

60. Yes, I am marginalizing their offense.

Because it deserves to be marginalized AND ridiculed.

If it doesn't offend the person in the picture who is obviously in on the joke, then no one else on earth has to right to be offended by it. And no, I don't think what she did was stupid. It was actually quite funny.

The more time people waste on idiotic non-issues like this, the less time they have to work on actual issues like health care. Worse, they wind up making others take them less seriously.

"I am offended by people being funny" makes people much MUCH less likely to listen to you when there is an ACTUAL issue that needs addressing.

[Rabrrrrrr]

46. God, I love the holier-than-thou santimoniousness!

:rofl:

Seriously, if you don't know what I mean, then clearly it's not worth my time telling you what I mean.

:eyes:

[vaberella]

47. What would you like me to do? Hand feed it than I did and what others were talking about.

Break it down with a period after every word?

[Rabrrrrrr]

49. Why are you so afraid to just say it? People with an issue should just say it.

Why all the hiding? Why all the excuses?

What's the cost to you to just say what you mean?

Why the need to play the let's-see-who-has-the-proper-purity game?

Considering the amount of words you've used in avoiding actually saying what you find offensive, you would have saved a lot of time and electrons if you'd just said it first.

But then, there's no game in just stating it.

[vaberella]

52. Aye? I don't get the big deal, since I said what I was offended by in the first post.

I said that her actions were offensive to East Asian people and I was offended by her actions. I didn't see how that was hard to get, when I made it clear in my first post.

[Rabrrrrrr]

53. Unless you said it in invisible type, you didn't say it.

And you still haven't said what you found offensive, other than her "actions".

What actions?

Seriously, what's so fucking difficult about being specific? Cowardice?

Or is it just sooooooo much more fun to play the holier-than-thou game?

[vaberella]

55. Oh, I didn't even notice. I thought I did. I posted a clarification in post #58.

I seriously thought I did...considering I already put two youtube videos that clearly expressed my views. Far from cowardice, I thought my outrage was expressed and said.

Unfortunately I couldn't do it in my original post but I tried to make it more clear in post 58. It was of no cowardice on my side I actually thought I did say it. But I realized when I reread that I did not make it clear. I hope it helped some what.

[Rabrrrrrr]

64. Ah, very good - I thought you were just being intentionally annoying.

Glad to hear it was just a mistake!

[asteroid2003QQ47]

42. If the new Big Dog didn't want Miley...

If the new Big Dog didn't want Miley...
she wouldn't get an invite, give him a break.
(I'll bet photographer Jean-Marc Bouju doesn't get an invite.)

[vaberella]

48. My problem isn't Obama and his decisions.

He does what he wants nor would it make me think any less of him and its his decision. But from what I gathered the decision hasn't been written in stone and my statement and feeling on the issue of Miley Cyrus is that she's basically making light of a serious problem. This has nothing to do with Obama, from my side but on the girl who is supposed to be a role model dealing with just other children in general, irrespective if it's Obama daughters at all. The reason however I made my statement was because the question was posed to me as to why and it seemed that poster had no knowledge of her actions which I found interesting considering that it was mentioned.

What I get the feeling from a lot of posters is that those in the Asian community who are offended shouldn't be offended. I'm not even Asian and I'm offended and by my offense what I'm feeling is just over blown. She knew what she was doing and I just felt others most definitely should know.

[ecstatic]

54. You raise a good point. There's no telling how she might

try to make the girls feel weird or uncomfortable. I don't think she has evil intentions, but she is obviously insensitive/oblivious of how her actions are perceived.

[cherish44]

56. Looks like her boyfriend is holding a one-hitter...stoned much?

If she wants to act like trash fine, but for fuck's sake don't document it in photos. Her fans are LITTLE GIRLS!

[vaberella]

58. I FOUND MILEY CYRUS' ACTIONS RACIALLY OFFENSIVE TO EAST ASIANS.

I don't mean to shout but to draw attention to my clarification.

I find her mocking and humiliating East Asians alongside her little friends and this does include the lone East Asian guy in the picture who doesn't give her a pass like TYT believes he does.

That being said. I make this statement because I actually thought I expressed my problem with the picture in my original post. But it was brought to my attention that I did not say what the problem directly was in my post. I thought it was clear or the videos attached might have laid claim. But my outrage with her is due to the "slanted-eye" thing she was doing in the picture which for years has been used as a way to marginalize, stereotype, humiliate and insult East Asians for decades if not centuries. Some may say she was just a stupid 16 year-old but I found it worse than that.

Hopefully this post clarifies where I stand better than my OP which, to my own fault, did not explain my position as clearly as I would have liked and that is my fault for not being more clear.

[jberryhill]

70. Oh, I see. So, Miley Whatshername will turn the Obama kids into racists?

Is it catching?

[Beaverhausen]

59. That doesn't even look like Miley Cyrus plus the asian guy in the picture is opening his eyes wide

like non-asian people. Should non-asians be offended by him?

Give me a break - this is ridiculous.

Is it even really her?

[vaberella]

61. LOL...I did not even think I would hear those defenses here..

That's exactly what I heard on those youtube thread by the teens who are in love with Miley.

First off you notice the Asian guy in the picture and say he's opening his eyes wide...it's funny though that around all the others he was still the one everyone could tell was Asian. Plus I didn't see he was opening his eyes wide. He just looked like he was taking a picture. However let's say he did widen his eyes...those who are Asians never had the power to humiliate and racially abuse people due to their eyes alone. Do you know how many Asians go through surgery just to get "double eye-lids" because they don't want to be seen as "Asian stereotypes" that Miley Cyrus engaged in. Do you know the power those sort of racist acts do. Why don't you watch the second video I posted so you can get a clue on what the problem is?!

As for the "that doesn't look like Miley Cyrus" could it be the racist intentional squinting of the eyes with her hands?!

For clarification:

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/miley-cyrus-apologizes-a-second-time-for-racially-insensitive-photo
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html

Yeah...it so wasn't Miley. :sarcasm: Maybe in future she shouldn't stretch her eyes.

[Rabrrrrrr]

65. "Asians never had the power to humiliate and racially abuse people due to their eyes alone"

Wow - you should bone up on Asian history.

You might be quite surprised to know the long history relationship between the Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese; as well as Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian, and others.

And how awful that history is.

And hint: quickest way to tell a Chinese from a Korean from a Japanese? The eyes.

Don't stereotype all Asians as having the same eye style.

[jberryhill]

71. Some pictures....

Japan has quite possibly the most thoroughly racist culture on the planet.

[jberryhill]

72. Ummmm..... don't visit Japan

I don't disagree with your other points, but Japan is as racist a place as they come.

[namahage]

77. Yep...that "Japanese Only" thing sure sticks out.

Interesting example you picked with the third sign down, though. First "bullet point," loosely translated:

"This shop is for people who 'love fish.' Even if you're a Japanese person, if you can't understand the following we will not allow you to enter." (emphasis added)

[rvablue]

62. It is her. She's already released an apology....unfortunately that won't fix the

bad case of stupid she has.

This isn't the first time.

Unfortunately I think this young lady suffers from a bad case of unchecked hubris and arrogance.

[namahage]

67. And have you seen the "apology"?

I really wanted to stress how sorry I am if the photo of me with my friends offended anyone. I have learned a valuable lesson from this and know that sometimes my actions can be unintentionally hurtful. I know everything is a part of GOD’s ultimate plan, and mistakes happen so that eventually I will become the woman he aspires me to be.

Let's see...

"Apology" for people being offended? Check.
Denial of intent? Check.
Passive avoidance of accountability ("mistakes happen")? Check.

Though I must say that the "blame GOD" approach is a new one.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

69. She brought God into this... niiiiice. (n/t)

[rvablue]

74. Ever heard of press agents.....Welcome to Hollywood....if you believe

that one word of that was generated from this young lady, I suggest a dose of reality.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

66. we trust obama to run our nation, we should trust his ability to raise his children

in a manner he sees fit

[Honeycombe8]

76. Oh, puhleeeeeez. There's an asian friend right there with them. They're apparently

making some sort of joke. They're very young. They're very stupid, They're very drunk.

I'm just glad there are pics of things I did at that age. (that i know of)

[namahage]

78. Agree with the very young and very stupid.

Disagree, though, that just because there's an Asian friend there, that somehow makes it acceptable.

Recall the Rick Warren controversy--if one LGBT, for instance, was OK with Obama's choice of Rick Warren, does that somehow mean that no other LGBT is allowed to be hurt or offended?

[lady raven]

80. I'm neither conservative nor a prude, but I think Miley Cyrus is a poor role model

for young girls.