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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 09:56 PM
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If the Obama administration doesn’t start to deal with the populist wave headed for Washington,.....

Stop the Democratic Suicide
by Michael Lind
February 17, 2009 | 6:36am

If the Obama administration doesn’t start to deal with the populist wave headed for Washington, Republicans will tap a reservoir of resentment that could destroy his presidency.

First they came for the bankers. Then they came for the CEOs. Then they came for the liberals. That might be the epitaph of the Democratic Party, if Democrats cannot learn to surf the tsunami of populism created by the economic earthquake.

Already across the world you can hear the rumble. Nations are scrambling to bail out their industries and protect them against foreign competition. The Indian government is slapping restrictions on Chinese imports. In Britain, workers have struck, demanding “British jobs for British workers.” In the US, popular support for “Buy American” provisions is as high as disapproval of the same provisions in the elite press.


As more Americans lose their jobs and their homes, as more businesses crater and banks topple, popular anger is rising like a wall of water over a suddenly quiet beachfront resort. You’d think that the Democrats in Washington would be aware of the danger. After all, the massive expansion of Great Society spending in the 1960s, followed by the stagflation of the 1970s, allowed the marginal conservative movement to tap populist anger and dominate American politics for a generation. Substitute stimulus for Great Society and years of possible “stag-deflation” for stagflation, and you have a scenario in which the Obama’s overwhelming majority could collapse as quickly as LBJ’s.

To date, however, the Obama administration has seemed more concerned with reassuring Wall Street that it will be protected against Main Street hotheads than in disciplining Wall Street on behalf of Main Street Americans who have lost jobs, homes, and savings. First Obama appointed an economic team dominated by Robert Rubin proteges, like Timothy Geithner, who were considered safe by the Street. Then Geithner put forth a plan which many economists warn might force the public to pay too much for toxic assets held by the banks.

Geithner himself is a lightning rod for populist wrath. Ordinary Americans who fail to pay their taxes can expect strict punishment. When Geithner forgot to pay sizeable sums, he was quickly forgiven and made Treasury secretary. Most Americans cannot afford maids, legal or illegal. Geithner’s violation of US employment laws, in paying an illegal-immigrant maid, was also judged to be a minor indiscretion. After all, he is simply the latest in a series of political appointees with illegal-immigrant maid problems. Let’s be reasonable. Important people can’t be expected to do their own housework, and ten minutes otherwise spent saving the world might be wasted on ascertaining whether their servants are violating US immigration laws or not. As the late Leona Helmsley might have said, immigration laws are for the little people.

Given the opportunity, Republicans can once again tap a reservoir of resentment, some of it justified. For a generation, the white-collar liberals who now dominate the Democratic Party have shown a remarkable ability to dress up their own economic interests in the rhetoric of globalization and anti-racism while attacking the motives and assaulting the characters of Americans who are far less wealthy and privileged. They conveniently forget to pay taxes for their illegal-immigrant maids and nannies, and then they denounce fellow citizens who can’t afford servants as Nazi-like xenophobes for insisting that all immigrants, not just some, obey federal immigration laws. They use their status as alumni of elite universities to get their mediocre children admitted by means of legacy programs (class-based affirmative action), and then they blame racism when working-class and middle-class whites criticize race-based affirmative action. They benefit from a regulated national labor market that effectively restricts the number of lawyers, MBAs and teachers allowed to practice in the US, and then they altruistically offer to sacrifice the livelihoods of American factory workers to help out the Chinese poor and to put American farms out of business to help the African poor. They claim that by living in expensive doorman buildings in fashionable downtowns and using uneconomical, taxpayer-subsidized mass transit they are saving the planet from global warming, and then they criticize working-class Americans with a fraction of their incomes who can only afford to live in exurbs and shop at Sam’s Club as sprawl-creating slobs. And they nod their heads in agreement when the elite editorial pages tell them on a near-daily basis that the greatest threat to America’s future is not ruthlessly nationalistic Asian mercantilism or lawless hedge-fund operations, but the danger that Congress might respond to the frightening number of non-Ivy League graduates in the electorate by enacting Buy American or Hire American policies which might inconvenience IRA investments or make it harder to hire an au pair.

The support of affluent liberals with attitudes like these helped Barack Obama to defeat his (somewhat) more populist rivals in the Democratic primaries. In his unguarded remarks to rich Californian donors in April 2008, Obama made his “bitter” gaffe about people from “these small towns” who lose their jobs and “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them” that Republicans undoubtedly have ready to roll out again on a feedback loop on talk radio. Obama’s “bitter” remarks echoed the “status anxiety” theory of populism promoted in the 1950s and 1960s by liberal scholars that looked out (and down) at populist Americans and saw, not Lockean-Jeffersonian democratic republicans with legitimate grievances struggling to preserve their independence against corporations and plutocrats, but crypto-fascist Central Europeans who might vote an American Hitler into power. The caricature of American populists by mid-century liberal professors was the grandest misunderstanding of American political culture since Leon Trotsky, visiting the US, began a speech: “Workers and peasants of the Bronx!” And yet as the farmer-labor component of the Democratic Party has dwindled, stereotypes about working-class and rural Americans have grown even stronger among the liberal intelligentsia.

At least Obama, with his appeals to national unity and post-racial rhetoric, recognizes the need to get away from the rote white-male bashing that contributed to creating a generation of conservative Republican hegemony in Washington between Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. The majority of Americans, even during the conservative years, were never against big government; they were against big government that provides special treatment whether to minorities, illegal immigrants, or the CEOs and shareholders of Wall Street firms that are too big to fail. What wrecked the Democratic Party was the public’s perception of double standards.

Amazingly, some prominent Democrats have yet to figure this out. In testimony to Congress on January 7, former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich worried that too many stimulus jobs would go to “white male construction workers...I have nothing against white male construction workers, I’m just saying there are other people who have needs as well.” The conservative blogosphere has picked up on Reich’s comments, interpreting them as a call for race and gender quotas in stimulus spending. If the Right succeeds in defining the stimulus package as a giveaway to minorities and women at the expense of unemployed working-class white men (and their wives and their children), then conservatives have half the populist script written for them. The other half is provided by the bailout, if that is perceived as a massive subsidy to financiers with political clout in Washington. The acolytes of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove will find it easy to write a campaign ad in 2010 or 2012 portraying the Democrats as an alliance of the top and the bottom against the middle—a classic populist theme.

More of the Article at.........
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-02-17/stop-the-democratic-suicide/

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:06 PM
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1. I don't think this should be among our worries
Republicans as the populists just doesn't compute. They're never going to convince regular people that they are populists when they are still to this day arguing for the wealthy to get tax cuts.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:16 PM
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2. doesn't compute to you and me
but how do you explain all the Bush voters?
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:19 PM
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5. "how do you explain all the Bush voters?" Three
words: Two stolen elections!!
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:29 PM
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10. even if Bush lost both times
he still got a lot of votes. If the republicans have no populist appeal, how do you explain Bush getting nearly as many votes as Gore and Kerry?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:32 PM
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12. The same people voted for McCain
and he lost resoundingly, the electorate has changed.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:52 PM
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18. that's right, thank goodness
hopefully it's the beginning of a trend.

But the post I responded to says that a tax cutting republican can't have populist appeal. Well, as long as I can remember, republicans have been pretty successful running as populists.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:29 AM
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35. If the votes were stolen you don't know how many votes Bush got
A good example is Schwartzennegger. Everyone thinks Californians overwhelmingly voted him in when the reality is that most Californians stayed home and didn't vote which meant that the snaggletooth Terminator fans voted. All 15 of them. So Voila, Arnold is our Governor.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:37 PM
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20. Make that THREE words: GODS, GUNS, GAYS!!!!
That's it!

To better understand why people continue to vote against their best interest, "What's the Matter With Kansas," by Tom Frank should be required reading for EVERYONE!!
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:11 PM
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41. Economic interests are not the only interests.
Civil liberties interests---including the preservation of gun rights, however unpopular that may be with wealthy urban elites---often trump economic interests if the two conflict, IMO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=95394&mesg_id=95510

Failure to understand the gun issue is an Achilles heel of a lot of urban DLC communitarians. Half of gun owners registered to vote are Dems and indies, and it is NOT about hunting guns.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:18 PM
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4. But they're also arguing against rampant immigration and outsourcing
While "liberals" like Thomas Friedman publish bosh like his recent column defending H1B visas. Lind is absolutely right about the hypocrisy of wealthy Democrats who avail themselves of legacy admissions to universities for their kids and limits on medical, law, and MBA degrees, while at the same time admonishing blue collar and service workers that they shouldn't complain about exporting jobs to China or welcoming "guest workers" who will work for 1/2 the pay. And what the FUCK is ANY Democrat doing suggesting going after SS or Medicare?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:23 PM
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8. I agree with you there nt
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:20 PM
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7. They are in disarray and in need of a "strong leader"

I've been thinking the same thing.

The GOP has lost its bearings, and that's an opportunity for someone to give them some new ones.

The economy has not yet hit the bottom of the crapper - not by a long shot.

Given the impatience and absolutism of some D's here on this board, swinging enough voters to follow a strong leader arising from rage, and who manipulates and uses that rage, is like watching a low pressure area area hitting warm Atlantic water in the late summer.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:17 PM
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3. I hope our party, our govt. and our country,
start paying attention to one group of Americans that seems to be continually ignored and used. And that group is the Americans taxpayers -- who come in all backgrounds and economic levels, etc. We are the ones who pay for everything our government does on behalf of this country....including our governments' paychecks.

And as a American, democratic, and taxpayer...I am fed up with our government and how it is handling things. And that includes our republican politicians and our democratic politicians.




Know what you're paying for. The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 . In addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf , along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ . Final version, Feb. 13th, 1500 pgs. worth -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/ , more details on the final version -- http://www.taxpayer.net/resources.php?category=&type=Project&proj_id=1913&action=Headlines%20By%20TCS , including spending -- http://cbs4denver.com/national/Web.government.accountability.2.937188.html
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:20 PM
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6. There are many Dems ...who are the "forgotten." I'm glad Michael Lind is
pointing out the hypocrisy. I know there are many here who won't agree...but it's an issue we need to face to move forward. I think that Obama does get some of it. But, he was forced to take on these DLC types of "entitled" to get elected. The money...
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:25 PM
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9. Yes. I particularly like this paragraph from the article
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 10:38 PM by Hello_Kitty
"Given the opportunity, Republicans can once again tap a reservoir of resentment, some of it justified. For a generation, the white-collar liberals who now dominate the Democratic Party have shown a remarkable ability to dress up their own economic interests in the rhetoric of globalization and anti-racism while attacking the motives and assaulting the characters of Americans who are far less wealthy and privileged. They conveniently forget to pay taxes for their illegal-immigrant maids and nannies, and then they denounce fellow citizens who can’t afford servants as Nazi-like xenophobes for insisting that all immigrants, not just some, obey federal immigration laws. They use their status as alumni of elite universities to get their mediocre children admitted by means of legacy programs (class-based affirmative action), and then they blame racism when working-class and middle-class whites criticize race-based affirmative action. They benefit from a regulated national labor market that effectively restricts the number of lawyers, MBAs and teachers allowed to practice in the US, and then they altruistically offer to sacrifice the livelihoods of American factory workers to help out the Chinese poor and to put American farms out of business to help the African poor. They claim that by living in expensive doorman buildings in fashionable downtowns and using uneconomical, taxpayer-subsidized mass transit they are saving the planet from global warming, and then they criticize working-class Americans with a fraction of their incomes who can only afford to live in exurbs and shop at Sam’s Club as sprawl-creating slobs. And they nod their heads in agreement when the elite editorial pages tell them on a near-daily basis that the greatest threat to America’s future is not ruthlessly nationalistic Asian mercantilism or lawless hedge-fund operations, but the danger that Congress might respond to the frightening number of non-Ivy League graduates in the electorate by enacting Buy American or Hire American policies which might inconvenience IRA investments or make it harder to hire an au pair.">

This is what will give the GOP an opening to recapture power and Democrats better wake up to it and stop listening to DLC and corporate tools.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:11 AM
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23. I hope Obama gets it.
And I'm also glad you shared Lind's article.

As far as Geithner is concerned: "When Geithner forgot to pay sizeable sums, he was quickly forgiven and made Treasury secretary. Most Americans cannot afford maids, legal or illegal. Geithner’s violation of US employment laws, in paying an illegal-immigrant maid, was also judged to be a minor indiscretion", he's the kind of politician I'm sick of.




Know what you're paying for. The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 . In addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf , along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ . Final version, Feb. 13th, 1500 pgs. worth -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/ , more details on the final version -- http://www.taxpayer.net/resources.php?category=&type=Project&proj_id=1913&action=Headlines%20By%20TCS , including spending -- http://cbs4denver.com/national/Web.government.accountability.2.937188.html
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:33 PM
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13. Obama just passed the largest tax cut in history, most of it
for middle (working) class families. It's not the Dems who have forgotten working people.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:02 AM
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21. Tax cuts should not be involved in the current
"stimulus" bill, as well as our yrly taxes. Particularly right now with all the hundreds of billions of dollars our government is handing out as bailouts/stimulus deals.

Tax cuts are a contradiction in terms to the system to begin with. The purpose of our taxes was to raise revenues for our government to function on all levels, including our military. In words, the government doesn't acquire debts then say "oh by the way, we need less money from so you'll be getting a tax cut" And given the circumstances where our politicians are handing out taxpayers' monies for all sorts of reasons under the excuse of the "economic crisis", then now esp., our government needs every penny it can raise through revenues to cover this. That's assuming it can generate enough revenues to even cover what it has already promised and given out. That also doesn't take in account what more $ it will hand out during this year and it's fiscal yrly budget costs, plus our national debt.

Likewise, the historical tax cuts also do not take in account our incredible escalation in the # of lost jobs that is occurring almost everyday now. Meaning the less Americans working in a fiscal period, the less taxpayers there will be to pay whatever our govt. owes -- no matter what the reason. And if this problem continues into to next year, which it probably will, then we will be in much more serious problems then we are now. Because millions of Americans are expecting our government -- through tax money to help them out. And the smaller the pool of taxpayers of any class, the smaller the amount our government can pull into cover it's debts. It comes to the sheer numbers and dollars.

I also do not agree with any type of Tax cuts because they're discriminatory. Every time our government gives a tax cut to any individual or groups of people, aside from it not being financially sound, it means that person or group is being given preferential treatment over everyone else who also pays taxes. And it means that in order to balance that year's debt, our government then must expect the total from all other taxpayers, who are not getting the tax cut, to make up the difference.

As far as I'm concerned, any politician who does not do their job and make sure our they're being as careful with taxpayers' monies as possible, as well as keeping within it's own budget and covering government wastefulness, is not only incompetent as a politician, they're also not for the working people. They're misusing taxpayers' dollars, who are the ones who have to foot the bill for everything. And misusing and overspending by our government are 2 of the reasons, along with others, that our nation is in this mess.



Know what you're paying for. The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 . In addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf , along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ . Final version, Feb. 13th, 1500 pgs. worth -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/ , more details on the final version -- http://www.taxpayer.net/resources.php?category=&type=Project&proj_id=1913&action=Headlines%20By%20TCS , including spending -- http://cbs4denver.com/national/Web.government.accountability.2.937188.html
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:31 PM
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11. Ummm...someone needs to tell this guy that whites will be a minority
very very soon. Fear of the white vote is the last thing I'm worried about.


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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:47 PM
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17. I agree with you about white people.
But I can tell you that working class Americans of ALL ethnicities are not real keen on the Flat Earth Globalism espoused by the likes of Thomas Friedman, Larry Summers, and Robert Rubin. Losing your job to a cheaper immigrant or overseas worker doesn't feel better because you happen to be African or Hispanic or Asian American. The recent Buy American imbroglio demonstrates that. Not only did attempts on the part of foreign and American corporate entities fail to strip it, but the final stimulus bill appears to have strengthened the existing law. You can bet that it's because members of Congress heard from their constituents in droves about it.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:36 PM
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14. Micheal Lind; former neocon
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 10:38 PM by Uzybone
Good to know where he is coming from.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:39 PM
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15. Do you believe he's wrong in what he says, though?
Should we be suspicious of him? Is that what you are saying? :shrug: I thought what he said had much truth to it..
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:44 PM
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16. I think he is wrong on his basic premise
Which is that the democrats should worry about the middle class white vote and the expense of the rest of our base. I think that kind of thinking let us to lose to Reagan, Bush and Bush 2. Our base is expanding and middle class whites have started to realize that the GOP has nothing to offer them.

The populist talk is a non starter to me, classic populism hasn't been a force in American politics since the early 1900's.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:59 PM
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19. I think you need to read it again.
Lind's emphasis on "white working class" voters was unfortunate because it causes a lot of progressives to dismiss it out of hand. The point is that working class people in general - of all ethnicities - are resentful of what they perceive as hypocrisy and obliviousness on the part of affluent liberals. They see so-called progressives denigrating them for shopping at Walmart while at the same time hiring undocumented nannies and getting good deals on organic produce picked by illegal migrant workers. They see these same so-called progressives benefitting from Ivy League educations and connections, while they tell them to suck it up when their jobs are shipped overseas or are filled by lower wage immigrants. "Oh, but you can always RETRAIN!" Where?

Look, if you want to continue to hide your head in the sand, it's your prerogative. But don't be surprised when the Democrats are once again thrown out of power, either by the GOP or a (tanned, rested, and ready) 3rd party candidate because they chose to listen to Thomas Friedman instead of their populist base.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:09 AM
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22. Oh yea you get the point just let the guys that wrote the legislation to ship the jobs over seas,
tax breaks to the rich,deregulation etc make us afraid!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:15 AM
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24. Some of those people are Democrats, you know.
The DLCers who tell us that Globalism is Great! And that if you don't welcome immigrants who work for 1/2 what Americans will you are "xenophobic".
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:19 AM
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25. this article is filled with so many lies its not worth posting
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:32 AM
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28. Surely, you could refute at least a few of the "lies", couldn't you?
Or you can't refute anything in it so you choose to make that blanket statement.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:27 AM
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29. Sure
I would have prefered Paul volker over Geithner,having said that imagine how many tax dollars the repubs are not paying.



Already across the world you can hear the rumble. Nations are scrambling to bail out their industries and protect them against foreign competition. The Indian government is slapping restrictions on Chinese imports. In Britain, workers have struck, demanding “British jobs for British workers.” In the US, popular support for “Buy American” provisions is as high as disapproval of the same provisions in the elite press.


I agree the US is the only nation that doesn't get it,but the buy American provision is in the bill

Obama Exclusive Interview CBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFVLXK1uWTM

As more Americans lose their jobs and their homes, as more businesses crater and banks topple, popular anger is rising like a wall of water over a suddenly quiet beachfront resort. You’d think that the Democrats in Washington would be aware of the danger. After all, the massive expansion of Great Society spending in the 1960s, followed by the stagflation of the 1970s, allowed the marginal conservative movement to tap populist anger and dominate American politics for a generation. Substitute stimulus for Great Society and years of possible “stag-deflation” for stagflation, and you have a scenario in which the Obama’s overwhelming majority could collapse as quickly as LBJ’s.

30 yrs of conservative economic policy is supposed to be forgotten in 3-6 months,the right now complains about the type of help the Obama administration is giving homeowners! and what a idiotic comparison


To date, however, the Obama administration has seemed more concerned with reassuring Wall Street that it will be protected against Main Street hotheads than in disciplining Wall Street on behalf of Main Street Americans who have lost jobs, homes, and savings. First Obama appointed an economic team dominated by Robert Rubin proteges, like Timothy Geithner, who were considered safe by the Street. Then Geithner put forth a plan which many economists warn might force the public to pay too much for toxic assets held by the banks.


I agree this is BS


Geithner himself is a lightning rod for populist wrath. Ordinary Americans who fail to pay their taxes can expect strict punishment. When Geithner forgot to pay sizeable sums, he was quickly forgiven and made Treasury secretary. Most Americans cannot afford maids, legal or illegal. Geithner’s violation of US employment laws, in paying an illegal-immigrant maid, was also judged to be a minor indiscretion. After all, he is simply the latest in a series of political appointees with illegal-immigrant maid problems. Let’s be reasonable. Important people can’t be expected to do their own housework, and ten minutes otherwise spent saving the world might be wasted on ascertaining whether their servants are violating US immigration laws or not. As the late Leona Helmsley might have said, immigration laws are for the little people.


Can't tell you how many times republicans have been busted for this,along with Halliburton and KBR they're raking in millions while bringing cheap labor from other countrys into Iraq


Given the opportunity, Republicans can once again tap a reservoir of resentment, some of it justified. For a generation, the white-collar liberals who now dominate the Democratic Party have shown a remarkable ability to dress up their own economic interests in the rhetoric of globalization and anti-racism while attacking the motives and assaulting the characters of Americans who are far less wealthy and privileged. They conveniently forget to pay taxes for their illegal-immigrant maids and nannies, and then they denounce fellow citizens who can’t afford servants as Nazi-like xenophobes for insisting that all immigrants, not just some, obey federal immigration laws. They use their status as alumni of elite universities to get their mediocre children admitted by means of legacy programs (class-based affirmative action), and then they blame racism when working-class and middle-class whites criticize race-based affirmative action. They benefit from a regulated national labor market that effectively restricts the number of lawyers, MBAs and teachers allowed to practice in the US, and then they altruistically offer to sacrifice the livelihoods of American factory workers to help out the Chinese poor and to put American farms out of business to help the African poor. They claim that by living in expensive doorman buildings in fashionable downtowns and using uneconomical, taxpayer-subsidized mass transit they are saving the planet from global warming, and then they criticize working-class Americans with a fraction of their incomes who can only afford to live in exurbs and shop at Sam’s Club as sprawl-creating slobs. And they nod their heads in agreement when the elite editorial pages tell them on a near-daily basis that the greatest threat to America’s future is not ruthlessly nationalistic Asian mercantilism or lawless hedge-fund operations, but the danger that Congress might respond to the frightening number of non-Ivy League graduates in the electorate by enacting Buy American or Hire American policies which might inconvenience IRA investments or make it harder to hire an au pair.


This is complete rightwing BS,that sounds like Bush


The support of affluent liberals with attitudes like these helped Barack Obama to defeat his (somewhat) more populist rivals in the Democratic primaries. In his unguarded remarks to rich Californian donors in April 2008, Obama made his “bitter” gaffe about people from “these small towns” who lose their jobs and “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them” that Republicans undoubtedly have ready to roll out again on a feedback loop on talk radio. Obama’s “bitter” remarks echoed the “status anxiety” theory of populism promoted in the 1950s and 1960s by liberal scholars that looked out (and down) at populist Americans and saw, not Lockean-Jeffersonian democratic republicans with legitimate grievances struggling to preserve their independence against corporations and plutocrats, but crypto-fascist Central Europeans who might vote an American Hitler into power. The caricature of American populists by mid-century liberal professors was the grandest misunderstanding of American political culture since Leon Trotsky, visiting the US, began a speech: “Workers and peasants of the Bronx!” And yet as the farmer-labor component of the Democratic Party has dwindled, stereotypes about working-class and rural Americans have grown even stronger among the liberal intelligentsia.

Barack Obama on Rural and Working Class America, Circa 2004
interviewed by Charlie Rose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oGF3cyHE7M his speech was taken totally out of context,Pres Obama meets with a few wealthy democrats and that paints the whole party for favoring the rich elitist while ignoring the poor ? that doesn't make since


At least Obama, with his appeals to national unity and post-racial rhetoric, recognizes the need to get away from the rote white-male bashing that contributed to creating a generation of conservative Republican hegemony in Washington between Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. The majority of Americans, even during the conservative years, were never against big government; they were against big government that provides special treatment whether to minorities, illegal immigrants, or the CEOs and shareholders of Wall Street firms that are too big to fail. What wrecked the Democratic Party was the public’s perception of double standards.

Outright lie I live in Texas what wrecked the democratic party was getting away from its progressive roots and taking everything for granted. For years there wasn't a get out the vote effort,no mailings,no talk radio.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:14 AM
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32. +1
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:59 AM
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36. Hoo boy.
Keep that head in the sand if you want, but don't be surprised when we are swept out of power again.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:40 AM
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37. Kitty listen to this clip plz
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:01 AM
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34. Thank you! That's what I was taking from it as well. And I take your conclusion, too.
I have met a number of people of all ethnicities, who, in my travels around this great nation, have identified themselves to me as Democrats. They're not just urban, but also rural and exurb living folk, who drive large, inefficient vehicles, either because they use them for work or need them due to weather or simply can't afford a newer, better model. They shop at Sam's Club or Wal-Mart. They make do on a small salary. They have no doorman or heavily subsidized mass transit at their feet. They struggle to pay the bills, and often do without insurance. Some don't get the medical/dental care they need.

I think the problem is that there are a lot of progressive snobs right here at DU, who go "Ewwwwwww" at the people here who own guns and hunt for their freezer full of protein for their family, who make fun of people who shop at Wal-Mart because it has 'always low prices' and it's close by (where else can you go when it's the only store that has what you need within an hour and a half drive?) and who blame people for driving that 1992 gas hog when it was the only thing on the lot that the poor bastard could afford. And yup, even though it's not my cuppa, a lot of these folks do get a lot out of their religion.

Our greatest enemy as Democrats is laurel resting hubris, an insistence that 'everyone' agrees, when 'everyone' (and that 'everyone' isn't talking about Republicans--though a suggestion is almost always made that one 'must be' one if one does not go along) most assuredly does NOT agree. We see a shitload of it here, unfortunately, the old finger-pointing and 'you must be a (Republican/rightwing troll/freeper/Bush supporter) if you dare to question the affordability or practicality for everyone to participate in the 'shop overpriced organic/use (sometimes nonexistent) mass transit/Well, "I" live in the city, so I am "better" crowd/buy expensive clothes made of "sustainable" materials paradigm.

Your assessment and conclusions are spot-on. If we don't get a grip that there are all flavors of Democrats, to include populists, and just not the limo libs, we'll be destined for a future on the outs as the 'Snob' Party.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:11 AM
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38. Even if that is his history, he is right in alot of what he says.
I understand a need to stabilize the banking system but I am furious about how it is being done on an emotional level. Things are not going to get better any time soon and the right person can capitalize on that if the Dems don't wake up and get this right.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:26 AM
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39. Where will this right person come from to stabilize the banks?
the Republicans will turn into socialists within a year? Lets be realistic and stop being scared of the big bad GOP.

We have trounced them in 2 straight elections and this neocon Lind is asking us to resume our losing ways by ignoring our expanding base and focusing on the "white working class". Thanks but no thanks.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:29 AM
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40. I am talking about
four years from now not next year. From what I am reading commercial paper and credit card paper is getting ready to implode. Things are not going to get better very soon. People will be angry and we need to get this right or we will be thrown out on our asses in 2012.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:47 PM
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44. People will be very angry and Repugs by not supporting Obama have already
set their priorities. And, they have the back up of the Mainstream Media and others (Think Tanks) to do what to Obama they did to both Clinton and Carter. That's what we need to worry about and prepare for.... IOW's we've got to WATCH OUR OWN BACKS as DEMS. We cant' expect the DLC'ers to save us once again and our Progressive/Populist Faction is still too weak for 2010 to get traction. Bush left us a HUGE MESS...Global and Domestic...it was their PLAN...and they have a very good chance of taking back Senate and making inroads in the House in 2010. We need to be aware of this.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:28 AM
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26. I'm not even going to read this.....the Daily Beast.....looks like Ms. Brown is doing
all that she can to drive traffic to her site.

What a poor miserable failure she is.

It's like a rerun of the HuffPost and Tina's in a snit she didn't think of it first.

Babyboomer irrelevance is a sad, sad thing to watch.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:30 AM
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27. We are in agreement there!
Tina Brown was on Morning Joe yukking it up with the RW assholes this morning!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:40 AM
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30. Ah the elite establishment is already trying to frame the debate!
We most stop those real people from advocating for themselves!! If we don't shut them up they'll ruin everything!!

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:07 AM
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31. funny to see a guy skip the last 8yrs and go back to the 60's and 70's
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:47 AM
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33. Good article. nt
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:17 PM
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42. Why are you posting Republican talking points here?
:crazy:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:59 PM
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43. It's an interesting article that we need to be aware of. It's not Coulter type politics
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 11:00 PM by KoKo
it's a caution that really hits home. And, we need to learn how to get our message across better. If Obama is willing to reach out then Lind is willing to tell us how many of us Dems are viewed by folks out there that we need votes from that in many ways some of us have ignored or trashed.

It's good for discussion, I thought.
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