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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:57 AM
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Dem ‘family politics’ blocks Dean at HHS
Several senior Senate Democrats have intensified their push for Howard Dean to become the next secretary of Health and Human Services, but the effort has run into what Dean allies call Democratic “family politics.”

Senate Democratic heavyweights such as Tom Harkin (Iowa) and Patrick Leahy (Vt.) say that Dean, a doctor who focused on healthcare during his decade as Vermont’s governor, would make for a perfect choice.

But conservative Senate Democrats are leery of Dean and privately question whether he would be able to work with centrists such as Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) to pass far-reaching reform.

Dean has built up a pile of political chits from his four-year stint as one of the most successful Democratic Party chairmen in recent history.

During Dean’s four years at the helm of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the party captured the White House, Senate and House. Democrats picked up 13 Senate seats and more than 50 House seats in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

Despite this, White House officials say that Dean is not among the front-runners to succeed former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) as President Obama’s choice for Health and Human Services, according to Democratic sources.
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius is considered the front-runner to head the department, say those sources. John Podesta, who managed the presidential transition, and former Clinton administration Office of Management and Budget Director Jack Lew are said to be well ahead of Dean on the shortlist.

This has not sat well with Dean’s inner circle.

“It’s damn near disrespectful,” said a Democrat close to Dean who has played a prominent role in national Democratic politics. “Tell me, who has been a more successful modern-day chairman?”

Dean taking charge of national healthcare reform “makes all the sense in the world, and the only thing in the way is internal family politics,” said the Dean ally.

Another Dean friend fumed: “It’s as appalling as it is arrogant.”

The ally noted that Dean’s 2004 presidential campaign developed the strategic template that Obama used for his own campaign four years later, a plan that relied on the Internet, small donors and a message of taking on entrenched interests in Washington.

“There seems to be no demonstration of gratitude in any meaningful respect,” said the Dean Democrat.
Obama has been careful to keep Dean at a distance. Surprisingly, Dean was nowhere to be seen at a press conference Obama held to announce Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as Dean’s successor as DNC chairman.

Dean clashed with powerful Democrats during his tenure as party head.

When he was chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Rahm Emanuel — now Obama’s chief of staff — once stormed out of Dean’s office after a heated argument over how to spend party funds.

Dean has rankled other prominent Democrats in the past. During his 2004 run for president, Dean squared off against former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt (Mo.) in an epic mudslinging match during the Iowa presidential primary. One of Gephardt’s top political strategists at the time was David Plouffe, who bounced back from that disappointing primary to manage Obama’s successful 2008 run.

Dean allies say that he would grab the opportunity to spearhead healthcare reform during Obama’s first term.
“Howard would be interested in any significant position where he felt he could serve the president and concentrate on healthcare initiatives that are the heart and soul of what he’s been working on all his life as a physician and a governor,” said Steve Grossman, a longtime friend of Dean and chairman of his 2004 presidential campaign.

As governor, Dean expanded health coverage for children and pregnant women, cutting the ranks of Vermont’s uninsured by several percentage points.

Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, a liberal-leaning nonprofit group that advocates for “affordable healthcare for all Americans,” said that Dean “played a critical role in leading his state toward a vast expansion of healthcare coverage for children.”

The experience could fit well with Obama’s vision for healthcare reform. Universal children’s healthcare coverage was a central component of the plan Obama unveiled on the campaign trail.

“What he did in Vermont as governor shows that he understands how to get children covered and how to do healthcare,” said Harkin, chairman of the Appropriations Health and Human Services subcommittee, in reference to Dean.

“A lot of us are supporting him,” said Harkin, in reference to his Senate colleagues.

Leahy, who has pushed Dean with the Obama administration, said that Vermont is now considered one of the healthiest states in the nation, a significant accomplishment given its small size and limited budget.
Senate Democratic centrists are decidedly less enthusiastic.

“I would question whether Dean would be able to reach across the aisle to work with Republicans,” said one Democratic senator. “The debate over the stimulus shows that you’re not going to be able to ram something as big as healthcare reform through without bipartisanship.”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dem-family-politics-blocks-dean-at-hhs-2009-02-17.html

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:07 AM
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1. Republicans would hold Dean's nomination up 3-4 months
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:11 AM
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5. Glad we never held up any of Bush nominees.
Good thing, huh? They might be belligerent.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:12 AM
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6. The Democrats in the Senate rarely stick together like the Repukes.
Bush got every thing he wanted with little to no delay
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:19 PM
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30. And look where that got them electorally
They had their few years of fun. But they traded it for (what looks like) decades of irrelevance (unless the Democrats want to let them back in by playing the same shortsighted game).

Look, I like Dean a lot. He revived the grassroots of the party. His singular achievement is that - instead of being like East Coast liberal establishment Democrats - he forced the party to ask for people's votes everywhere, including the so-called "blood red states". And guess what? If you stop looking down your nose at people (like far too many DUers like to do), sometimes they start liking you. Like in Montana, for instance.

But because he was so successful, there are a lot of hard feelings among Republican Senators. So saying that he wouldn't be helpful in persuading them to vote for a health-care reform package is probably a fair critique.

Life ain't fair. And that goes double for politics.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:14 PM
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28. more qualified than any of the bush nominations
after that was pointed out and shown to be so ... thatd end very quickly.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:00 PM
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50. How could they do that? 51 votes are needed in the Senate, not 60
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:07 PM
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52. The same way Hilda Solis is still being held up
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:08 AM
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2. Maybe they never got over his cockroaches remark
:shrug: I have no idea why they fear him so. He is an outspoken articulate Dem who is a great asset for us. This is ludicrous!! Between him and Sebelius, I say go with Dean!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:10 AM
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3. Sebelius is now chosen.
It's done now.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:13 AM
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7. Seems like only speculation
from everything I've read
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:20 AM
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8. It's google front page now.
Seems to be a done deal.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:04 AM
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12. Obama needs to stop listening to bad advice and pick Dean.
Let Gov. Sebelius help by winning a Senate seat in Kansas. This is a team effort and Obama is *squandering* our resources.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:11 AM
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4. they fear him because he's a true liberal with a brain !
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 07:26 PM
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58. Which is why I trust him. He would do us fair.
I don't think he would have a problem with Snowe, and gang. I think using it's just what it is, an excuse.

:hi:

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:25 AM
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9. Just pick Sebelius- and throw away any chance of a Kansas Senate seat
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 02:26 AM by depakid
Americans aren't going to see meaningful health care reform anyway- why waste an opportunity to hand more political power to Republicans?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:56 AM
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10. This is all posturing and lying--a grudge and payback. Kindergarten stuff.
Howard has a reputation for being straightforward and getting things done. Don't hand
me this crap that things he said while running for president prove he can't work with
Republicans. Hillary said some unfavorable things about Obama, too, and her nomination
breezed through the confirmation process.

It seems to me that Obama sure is settling for a LOT of halfway measures these days. With
the mandate the electorate gave him, the only promise I did not want to see him keep so
diligently was "I will not be a perfect president." No one expected him to be that. But
I certainly did expect him to give a greater nod to the people who elected him. Howard
is by far their greatest advocate, and only the health insurance industry and Rahm
Emanuel are rubbing their hands in glee at Howard's ostracizing. The many millions of
Americans who have no health care at all would have had no greater friend at HHS than
Howard. If, as expected, Howard is ignored by Obama for HHS, he will go ahead with
plans he has to "Raise some hell (his words to me earlier this month)" for causes he
be believes in. He will be under no compunction to restrain himself--something he is
perfectly capable of doing--as he would have as a member of Obama's team. He will speak
out forcefully for those he cares most about: the citizenry who cheered his accomplishments
as DNC chairman.

As I consider Howard to be the citizenry's most effective advocate who might run HHS, this
necessarily means that whoever does end up with the post will have to contend with the
statements and commentary of one very liberated Howard Dean. My sympathies to the "winner."

Howard has had nothing but praise for Obama so far, never asked for a "reward" or expected
"gratitude" for his helping put Obama where he is. Howard is bigger than that. He will
never express disappointment in public, at least not while Obama is in office, and that
will probably be for eight years. He said he would have liked the HHS post, and left at
that. The White House knew what the score was.

But part of the public's reward--OUR reward--for getting Obama elected was (I thought,
anyway) getting the BEST we have in positions where they would do US the most good.
That, to my way of thinking, meant Howard at HHS. This is not Howard's loss. It's ours.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:00 AM
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11. I agree completely.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:47 AM
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14. He's a very good choice
Probably the best. I hope Obama doesn't make a mistake, again!
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:49 AM
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15. Don't hold your breath...........
This is, unfortunately, not about who would be the best choice for the nation.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:47 PM
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25. Word.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:37 PM
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35. I agree about Dean but I'm not
going to second guess Obama. I support both of them and am very protective of each. They earned it, imo.

At least we have Leahy, Sanders, and others in Congress out there speaking up for Dean and it's not only we, who have signed online petitions, lobbying for Dean.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:35 PM
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40. Amen, DFW. Shunning Dean not wise. They don't even speak his name.
It is our loss.

Their shunning of Dean, refusing to even say his name...will have consequences in the future.

Did you see the Hardball segment with McCaskill? She stammered and blinked and got all rattled when Chris Matthews asked her about the exclusion of Dean from any national leadership.

They know what they are doing, and it is intentional.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:03 PM
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51. Don't forget, I don't get American TV here.
I see the occasional podcast or youtube excerpt, but I'm 6 (usually) hours ahead of you
and don't get any US TV stations here (wouldn't have the time to watch them even if I did).

I rely on you people to point me in the direction of noteworthy episodes!

But I agree--this total shunning has got to be organized and intentional, whatever the real
reason may be. Howard was practically single-handedly responsible for McCaskill's election,
although Emily's List provided some help there, too. Howard just felt he was doing his job,
and never asked anything in return. However, he had every right to expect some R-E-S-P-E-C-T
at the very least. Now, they don't even speak his name, like you said. Something's up. Howard
is a team player, and if he knows what it is, he isn't saying--he loves us too much to start a
squabble over that. But WE have every right to ask, and even if there is no answer forthcoming,
we're asking all the same. The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party wants to know.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:18 PM
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54. Amen, again.
It is our right to know.

I will see if I can find the video I mentioned. Give me some time.

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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:59 AM
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63. OK, thanks.
Take your time. I thought I had a tranquil 2 days coming up, but I found out that I "have" to
run down to Bavaria today for a few hours, and my plane to München leaves in 75 minutes! I'll
check the board again when I get back up here this evening.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:01 PM
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61. I'm desperate..
Sent an email to the First Lady telling her she was our last hope in getting Howard Dean appointed to HHS.. I was very polite...but I guess it was a stupid thing to do.

I think the President has too many politically-motivated people with personal agendas advising him, and feel that the intercession of the First Lady (whom I really love) might be a sneaky but effective way of approaching the problem.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:32 PM
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43. Dean is a centrist, one who has the respect of Republicans.
I don't care if they like him.
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:09 AM
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13. oh god, not this whiny bullshit again
:nopity:

time to hide the thread.
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:33 AM
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16. oh ok, well thanks for letting us know...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:39 AM
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17. I am so sick of 'conservative' dems selling us out. All of them.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:13 AM
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19. I agree. Many of the same corporate Dems that got this country in the mess it's in
want to prevent the type of pragmatic change it needs. Dean would bring with him an army of activists who would work to help put pressure to pass policy.

This reminds me of the treatment of Dennis Kucinich, who has been correct so much of the time but is dissed among the elitists who care more about their political power than doing what is right.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:37 AM
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18. Do the right thing and give the American people the
HHS leader they want-DR. DEAN.
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:13 AM
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20. Dean called the Democratic Party out on the Iraq War . . .
in real time and they will never forgive him. He stood up while they were cowering before the neo-cons. He exposed their self-interested treachery and hypocrisy and they will always hate him for it.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:36 AM
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21. I hadn't thought of the Dean/Gephardt fight - but that might be more significant than
the fight with Emanuel. I personally think Dean could be good as HHS secretary - but there are some interesting things to think of in this article.

"Dean has rankled other prominent Democrats in the past. During his 2004 run for president, Dean squared off against former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt (Mo.) in an epic mudslinging match during the Iowa presidential primary. One of Gephardt’s top political strategists at the time was David Plouffe, who bounced back from that disappointing primary to manage Obama’s successful 2008 run."

That really was mud slinging - and from the Gephardt side, it was likely seen to have started when Dean distorted Gephardt's record on healthcare. I know Dean is almost infinitely better liked here than Gephardt, but switch the names and think how you would feel if Gephardt were the choice.

If the comment that Snowe and Collins would be unlikely to work with him is true, then there is a real reason that he not be the pick. However, I doubt that is the case - as politicians seem capable of putting the political charges of elections aside. I can't see either not signing on to a plan they are ok with because they don't like the secretary - nor can I see them signing on if they personally really like the person.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:50 PM
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46. Dean caught flak for criticizing Gephardt for standing with Bush in the Rose Garden.
At the signing of the Iraq war bill.

That started a lot of it.

Isn't it nice that other Democrats never sling mud or never criticize?

Ain't it amazing that the ones who despise grassroots the most and thus consider Dean the enemy are given credibility by Obama while Dean is not?

Gep stood proudly in the Rose Garden. Dean called him on it. Good for Dean.

Dean does not deserve the party's shunning.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:40 PM
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55. Gephardt's actions were far worse than standing in the Rose Garden
Dick Gephardt deserved everything that Dean said about him in 2004. He was the one who went behind the backs of the Democratic leadership and struck a deal with Bush preventing any sort of debate on the IWR. Gephardt was even worse than Lieberman in that matter, because he was in a leadership position, and stabbed any opposition to the war in the back.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:08 PM
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56. Let's take a look at the picture from the Rose Garden.


The Next Hurrah has some good dialogue about that time in this post from 2005.

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/10/gephardt_on_ira.html

February, 2002:

GEPHARDT to BUSH: You have my support if it's about Weapons of Mass Destruction -- but not if it's about Saddam. "If it's about Saddam there are 30 countries we need to invade tomorrow morning."

Later:

GEPHARDT to BUSH: The US can't go into this alone. If it's done, it has to be done multilaterally -- with regional partners, NATO, the UN.

(Recall speculation in this interval to the effect that Bush could and would take the US into Iraq without international partners -- and even without action by Congress.)

Later still:

BUSH to GEPHARDT: "Dick, I'm gonna do what you've been talking about", i.e., premise the case for invasion on Saddam's WMD threat Weapons of Mass Destruction.

History may have turned on this exchange.

Insiders later hinted that WMD wasn't (variously) the central, sole, or real reason for invading Iraq, that it was agreed among the principals as a politically plausible casus belli.

Deputy SecDef Paul Paul Wolfowitz, 2003-05-09 " ... for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason ...".

CIA HQ, as all parties prepare for debate in Congress:

GEPHARDT: "George, do you believe?" (in the WMD thesis)
DCI TENET: "Absolutely."


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:50 PM
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47. Dupe..deleted.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 04:50 PM by madfloridian
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:46 AM
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22. Dean will not be chosen for various reasons. Lets just hope Sebelius is clean.
She seems much better then Daschle so that at the very least that would be better. I love Dean but for some reason there is someone in Obama's inner circle who has major doubts about him. I don't necessarily think its Rahm either. If he rubbed Plouffe the wrong way then this is probably a big reason why they will not ask him to be in the administration. Kind of petty imo as they could mend fences with Hillary. I love our president and am probably considered one of the "worshippers" here but I don't like the pushing out of Dean. However, we need someone, anyone at this point who has a clean background and some experience in the field. As a former insurance commissioner at least Sebelius has shown she will take on big corporate heath care.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:14 PM
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38. You appear to be saying Dean does not have a "clean background."
That's a major insult any way you look at it. 12 years a governor, ran for president, served as DNC chair for 4 years.

Not a clean background?

Insulting.

Yes, it is Rahm, and yes, it is Plouffe. Yes, it is those advising him. Plouffe once sang a degrading song about Dean..no one remembers that while giving all praise and glory to the winning team.

How rude to imply Dean is not as "clean" as the others.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:31 PM
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42. Um, no. You freaked out which is not surprising. I said if they don't pick Dean that at the very
least Sebelius is clean, unlike Daschle. I never said Dean was not "clean". I was saying Daschle was not, which was a big problem for me. I want them to pick Dean but if not then pick someone who won't embarrass us. Kay?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:45 PM
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45. No, you are "freaking out" over my critique of your post.
You as much as said Dean was not "clean", and that is the truth.

Not okay, talking down to me NOT okay anymore. When someone uses insulting terms to me now I just say good by and update my list.

I don't have to take it. I don't insult people. I will continue to stand up for "clean" Dean in spite of the barbs I get for doing it.

Bye now. You can insult all you want but I don't have to see it.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:20 PM
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59. Okay, whatever you want to believe.
I happen to like Dean and MEANT to say that I wanted someone clean, whether it was Dean or someone else. I also said it was petty for Obama and anyone in the WH to hold grudges against Dean when they did not against Hillary. I think we need to get this AND the commerce selection right. After all, Daschle was a black mark on the nominating process. I was not attacking Dean. You just got confused by the wording in my post so I'm sorry.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:30 PM
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39. You need to reread what you posted.
Especially the parts about being "clean" and having "some experience" in the field. I guess you mean that only working with insurance companies counts, that being a doctor doesn't count.

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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:52 AM
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23. It seems like family politics never gets in the way of a moderate or repuke appointment
If they can mend fences with the Clintons, why not Dean?

Is it ideology rather than personality conflict?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:52 AM
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24. Bullshit.
He works well with "centrists such as Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and Susan Collins (R-Maine)" to pass far-reaching reform.

He was the flipping GOVERNOR of VERMONT!!

"Centrist" Jim Jeffords was one of his BEST FRIENDS.

In fact, I only learned about Dean through Jeffords!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:57 PM
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27. Remember Jeffords was at the celebration right after he became chair.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:56 PM
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26. FUCK the so called "conservative Democrats"
They have 2/3 of the cabinet as it is. Health care can NOT be left in the hands of corporatist ass kissers, especially right now.

Listen to Pat Leahy, not the DLC cowards, Mr. President.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:16 PM
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29. Time to start emailing the white house!
if you believe someone whos overly qualified like Dr Dean should get the role, its time to start annoying everybody in Washington about it!


so go on, go to the whitehouses website and send an email to the presidents office :)

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:28 PM
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31. Of course, Dean would be able to work across
the freakin' aisle..that's what he did in Vermont. That's just "some people say" BULLSHIT.

And, the cmwhores do love a controversary.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:33 PM
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34. *
:thumbsup:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:32 PM
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32. Conservative Dems. Let me guess. That would be the Nelson brothers and Landrieu,
for sure. Who else?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:33 PM
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33. So Dr Dean is not "Republican Enough"....
...for the Democratic Party Leadership. :puke:

"Centrism"....for those who are PROUD to be Half Republican.

I thought WE WON the last election, and overwhelmingly voted for CHANGE!
Guess not.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:55 PM
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36. Yeah, we're getting mixed signals here..
I don't trust the media but every excuse they're giving out from anonymous sources.. for Dean not being the best for the job won't wash.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:01 PM
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37. Go Dean!!!
He's a fighter and that's what we need....not some wishy-washy let's play nice with the greedy republicans who got us into this mess.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:31 PM
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41. Another Dean friend fumed: “It’s as appalling as it is arrogant.”
I agree. :(
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:43 PM
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44. And hence I don't call myself a Dem... Both parties got petty drama that I don't tolerate.
This is disappointing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:53 PM
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48. I am hearing from more Democratic folks here in our area.
I have been surprised at the ones who resent the way Dean has been shut out.

There will be a price to pay in the future for never mentioning his name among party leadership.

Trust me, if I see it here....it is elsewhere.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:58 PM
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49. So which Senate Democrat is a Freeper?
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 05:04 PM by ieoeja
"I would question whether Dean would be able to reach across the aisle to work with Republicans," said one Democratic senator. "The debate over the stimulus shows that you’re not going to be able to ram something as big as healthcare reform through without bipartisanship."

The stimulus, which ended up going through without bipartisan support, is proof that you can not do anything without bipartisan support.

Who knew we had a real, live Freeper among our Democratic senators?

:shrug:


Of course, when this Senate Democrat said bipartisanship he probably meant bipartisan between DLC and non-DLC Democrats. Given that DLC Democrats tried to throw the presidential election in Michigan and Florida rather than see a non-DLC Democrat elected president, and given that the Dean electoral success has taken away the one and only argument the DLC put forward for placing them in power, i.e. they win and all other Democrats lose, then it is a fairly safe bet they would link arms with the GOP in trying to scuttle anything with Dean's name attached to it.


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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 05:07 PM
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53. Dallas County Democratic Party just passed a resolution honoring Dean
I considered rewording it to include HHS language, but that would take us into endorsement territory, and the DCDP has had its share of headaches over recent endorsement issues.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 06:24 PM
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57. If not Dean, how about Conyers or Kucinich?? n/t
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 10:42 PM
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60. Payback for Mis-Handling Florida and Michigan Primaries
That's what is really going on here.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:13 AM
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62. Did not mishandle either. Did the right thing. If that is true then pettiness is involved.
Details on how Florida worked with the GOP to set the early primary date.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get
near Boston.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary
that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to
Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1468

Florida's Geller joked about his amendment: "sarcasm and audible laughter in
chamber"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance." From March.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

Two summaries of the DNC committee ruling about Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1456

Jeremy Ring (D-FL) said "relevance is more important than "partying" in
Denver.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1836

There is SO much more. But that gives an idea.

I hate to think our president would be that petty, though others in power positions would.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:12 AM
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65. And that upsets Obama? His sticking to the rules helped Obama get the nomination!
Some thanks he's giving Dean for that effort!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:10 AM
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64. "Centrists" code word for "CORPORATISTS"! Corporate America wants to keep out Dean!

And that NEEDS TO STOP NOW with this selection, if we want REAL and HONEST change to fix the system and not DIE with the old status quo!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:21 AM
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66. Being afraid of the Republicans is a BS excuse. The reason
that Daschle and Gupta are more acceptable is that the Democrats are afraid of Big Insurance, Big Pharm and Populist Politics.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:15 AM
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67. Fine, if they aren't ok with Dean then Kucinich or Conyers will work.
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liberalsince1968 Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:15 AM
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68. The Dems will NEVER get "bipartisanship" on healthcare. NEVER. So nominate the BEST damn person for
US - and that is DEAN.

This is on Obama, AFAIC. If HE wanted Dean - Dean WOULD be the nominee.

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