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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:30 PM
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Republicans will never be cool.
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 03:33 PM by Drunken Irishman
They need to accept that they just aren't the party of the New Generation, to steal a line from Pepsi.

The last time they flirted with cool was with Reagan, but even that had its limits and most of that was because the Democrats put up Mondale in 1984, anything but cool.

However, there isn't a cool Republican. George Bush wasn't cool and God knows his father was probably the dorkiest president we've had since...well Calvin Coolidge (also a Republican). Jindal is not cool. Just because he's young and Indian doesn't make him cool. Cool isn't something you can create and that's why the Republicans keep failing. They try to be cool and as we all know, when you're trying to be cool, you're so not cool.

Now Obama? He doesn't need to try. He is cool. He's cooler than the arctic in winter. You look at him and you instantly think he's cool. Same with Bill Clinton in the 90s. He was cool. But who do the Republicans have to rival that? Remember, this is the party who put up Bob Dole and John McCain to the coolest Democratic candidates in a long time.

But it isn't even just recent history, either.

Kennedy was cool. The whole Kennedy mystique was cool. You saw Kennedy with Frank Sinatra and Marilyn Monroe and you thought instant coolness.

Nixon? Not cool.

That isn't to say you have to be cool, it's just if you're not cool, admit it and move on. Unfortunately, Republicans haven't figured this out yet. John Kerry really isn't cool and I think he knew this, so he didn't try to act cool. Sure he did the goofy things candidates do, but he never really tried to be someone he wasn't. Now Dukakis? He did and he failed miserably, which goes to show not all Democrats are cool and not all Democrats understand if you're not cool, there is no point in trying to act it.

Now the Republicans will never and can never be cool because they're Republicans. They're the party of old white guys and it only starts to backfire when they try to get cool. I mean, we all know why Sarah Palin was picked as McCain's VP. Because he wasn't cool and they knew he wasn't cool, but they wanted to hip him up, so they brought on an attractive and young governor who could be cool. Except Sarah Palin isn't cool. She isn't cool because she's weird and weird is never cool. Sure, she was a hit among the younger Republicans, but they're young & Republican, so what the hell do they know about cool?

You see, Republicans need to understand their core values aren't cool. Michael Steele can go on and on about how wack it is to support civil unions, but let's be honest, anyone who's not even at the level of supporting civil marriage can't claim to be cool. It's not cool to be anti-gay in the 21st Century.

That, my friends, is the Republican Party's problem. They don't understand civilization took a huge step into the 21st Century. And as we all figured out in junior high and high school, once the trend has changed, if you don't, you're not and never will be cool.

Republicans are stuck in the 20th Century while the rest of us moved on to the 21st Century. They're like the kid who in 1995 was still wearing clothes from 1985. Definitely not cool.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:32 PM
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1. Not that it's important but.....
Eisenhower was kinda cool.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:33 PM
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4. He might've been the last cool Republican.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:57 PM
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6. Yeap, I think I would've given Ike a shot back then...
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 05:14 PM
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20. He was cool
and he wasn't a hardcore republican. Both the Democrats and republicans approached him to be their presidential candidate.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:29 AM
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26. And he gave us the most prescient warning ever, in our history.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:59 PM
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33. Yes he did
though no one probably realized at the time how profound his words were. Like many leaders, he didn't get much credit until much later. He also was responsible for the Interstate, something we all take for granted today.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:21 PM
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38. Though I call myself a life-long Democrat, at age 7 I was not! I recall being VERY UPSET that my
parents didn't vote for Ike (1956)!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 09:28 PM
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45. My father was a big Ike supporter
My earliest political memory is of the "I like Ike" buttons he distributed as a precinct captain. I didn't know I was a Democrat at heart at that early age. My dad was an active republican until Watergate. He felt very betrayed by Nixon and never got really involved in politics again.

Being a republican in those days wasn't anything like today. My parents were pretty liberal about most issues. The party left them. I don't know how they voted after Nixon, as politics ceased to be a part of regular conversation.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:21 PM
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39. indeed
eom
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:19 PM
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37. his image certainly was: victorious general in a good war
and he was an early civil rights proponent, though he also had his missteps on this issue

the freakish fiendish nature of today's republicans makes him look good (and cool) in comparison, and all the more fascinating
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 09:29 PM
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46. Also, to his credit
he couldn't stand Nixon. Eisenhower knew he was a phony opportunist.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:32 PM
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2. It's fun watching the new Coke like disaster though
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:32 PM
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3. Teddy Roosevelt was the last cool Republican

Teddy was cool.


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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:51 PM
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5. Oh, I beg to differ with you there..
John Kerry is pretty damn cool in his own right. :) Maybe not in the way Presidents Obama or Clinton are, but hey.. :









I mean, how many Republicans do you catch doing all that? (Okay, maybe Huckabee with the guitar thing, lol, but c'mon!). :P

But seriously, the rest of your OP was right on. Although it is pretty entertaining to watch them try. :evilgrin:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:22 PM
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13. Sometimes it doesn't matter
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 04:45 PM by politicasista
People and some DUers still swallow media spin about Gore and Kerry.

It's amazing that people complain about the media, yet buy into everything they fabricate.

I do agree PO is too cool! I think more cooler than BC.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:59 PM
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7. It's literally impossible
to win a Webbie, Nobel Peace Prize, Oscar, Grammy, Emmy and throw the world's largest rock concert without being cool.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:24 PM
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14. Exactly n/t
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:13 PM
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8. you trying to tell me this is not cool
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:13 PM
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9. Heston was kind of cool when he was a Democrat. But then he started not being cool and had to switch
parties...It's like he didn't want to sully the Democratic party's image with his growing uncoolness.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:18 PM
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10. Gary Oldmen is tres cool and republican.
I know,it hurts.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:19 PM
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11. They're so unhip...
...it's wonder their asses don't fall off...
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:20 PM
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12. Bravo!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:33 PM
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15. But Michael Steele says things like "bling bling," "off the hook," "my bad,"
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 04:49 PM by jenmito
and OTHER "cool, urban hip-hop stuff"! And he's the leader of the RNC! They are now SO cool! :rofl:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:58 PM
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19. OMG I am like totally going to switch parties now!
They be chillin'! Word!
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:22 PM
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40. bozoville
eom
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:34 PM
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16. TR was pretty damn cool. nt
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:36 PM
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17. Good post, although you don't need to dump on
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 05:19 PM by politicasista
Gore and/or Kerry to praise President Obama, Bill Clinton, or JFK. You do all of them a injustice IMO.

All of them are cooler in their own way. Sure, President O is cool. I think way, way, cooler than BC, with more class and integrity. It also shows that you swallowed a lot of media lies, RW talking points about Gore and Kerry.

As the poster posted above (paraphrasing), it's impossible to not be cool by winning a Nobel Peace Prize, Oscar, Grammy, Emmy, throwing a big concert for Climate Change, or receiving an NAACP lifetime achievement aka Chairman Award.

It's also impossible to not be cool by becoming one lawmaker to expose more government corruption than any other lawmaker in modern history, having a alternative rock group name an album after you (aka Foo Fighters--In Your Honor, 2005), having The Boss write a song about you when you were a soldier back in 1971, or being actually charismatic in person. Oh wait, the media said that charisma was there in 2000, but none in 2004.

Just because Gore and Kerry are serious, honest politicians, activists and are not cool American Idol, rock star-like Democrats like PO or President Clinton, doesn't mean they are doofuses who should be tossed in a recycling bin.

Everyone has a definition of what being cool really is. I happen to think that any Democrat who stand up and does the right thing is cool in my book. :)


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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:14 PM
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34. Exactly! :) Great post.
And I didn't even know that, about the Foo Fighters dedicating their album to Kerry. And which Springsteen song was that? That is so awesome! :D

All of these Dems rock in their own, unique ways and any one of them is WAYYY cooler than any of these Republicans combined! :P
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 04:56 PM
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18. You are correct! Being Cool means never having to try.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 05:21 PM
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21. Are you saying,
Michelle Bachman isn't cool???

It is so entertaining watching them try.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 06:51 PM
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22. Great post and very true. Happily recommended! nt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:19 PM
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23. They will never even be tolerable,
much less cool.

News flash! Half of them are stuck in the 19th Century. The other half are stuck in the 12th Century.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 07:41 PM
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24. They haven't been cool
since Ike.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:27 AM
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25. "She isn't cool because she's weird and weird is never cool."
Weird can definitely be cool.

Beck was cool as shit.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:32 AM
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28. Weird is cool only if the weirdee knows and embraces it. Republicans are NOT self-aware.
A case in point:

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:30 AM
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27. AKA: "Greed, ignorance, and up-tightness are not cool." Plus, "cool" is liberal in its world-view.
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 06:34 AM by WinkyDink
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:27 AM
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29. but they ARE kind of cloo - less
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:42 PM
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30. A lot of it is in the body language
That's why Chris Matthews gasped "oh god" when he saw Jindal coming in like a zombie. Republicans just tend to be uptight in their bodies. It's probably what Wilhelm Reich called "armoring" -- part sexual repression, part fear of what blows may come from a hostile world.

The hottest and more obviously appealing Democrats are the ones who are clearly comfortable in their own bodies, comfortable with their sexuality, comfortable in their interactions with the outside world. And virtually no Republicans have that order of cool.

But there's at least one more category -- basically geeks, who can't help being shy and somewhat klutzy because they're wired that way. It's very hard for geeks to be considered cool, and when they are it's typically because of their neat ideas, their quirky humor, or their musical/artistic abilities and not their personal style.

But at worst, geeks are cool-neutral. Republicans, on the other hand, are anti-cool because they don't trust the world and don't trust themselves. And they know it and we know it.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:53 PM
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31. You're too kind.... they are
stuck in the 19th Century, not the 20th.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:00 PM
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32. I think they're stuck in December 12th of 1950 at 3:02 pm
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 04:01 PM by lunatica
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 05:58 PM
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43. I agree, the Repukes are 19th century, they're trying to maintain a power based
on arms, oil and mining with top down political control. That's something that started to break down in the 20th century, but they are trying to continue it by trying to get control of world food (eg. Monsanto) and water supplies (privatizing public supplies), slowing the process of decentralized energy sources, grabbing control of the mass media and trying to privatize the internet. It's so important to keep the internet free so we can swarm and stop them when they pull this shit and continue to pry our voting process out of private Repug hands.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:53 PM
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35. W was kind of cool, he was an idiot though
Being stupid isn't cool, but he seemed like a reasonably cool guy back in 2000. Remember the "have a beer with poll"?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:22 PM
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41. BLEAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! A wanna-be macho guy who snorted coke with a beer chaser, cool? FEH!!
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:29 PM
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42. He was cooler than Gore
Not as cool as Clinton though.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 04:01 PM
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36. Another reason republicans will never be cool
To be cool, a person has to be original. Republicans are authoritarian and they play follow the leader very well. They hardly ever question authority. This is not a recipe for originality.

I have been saying for a long time that Republicans are defective people. Something went wrong as they developed, most likely in their maturation. There was some sort of trauma that makes them scream out for guidelines and security.

Before they were just losers. Now they're organized. Organized losers are very dangerous, as the past eight years has taught us.

Anyway, enjoyed your post, Drunken Irishman.


Cher
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ACTION BASTARD Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 07:31 PM
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44. Wanting to be rich,
elitist, corporate whores that hate any kind of diversity can never be cool. Republicans can never be cool.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:58 AM
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47. It's the stick up their butts that prevents them being cool
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:11 AM
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48. Nor will most Democrats.
Clinton sort of pulled that off, and Obama definitely does. Something about eight years of Bush/Cheney can make intelligence and eloquence cool.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:28 AM
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49. There is an inherent contradiction between conservatism and cool
Edited on Mon Mar-02-09 10:28 AM by dbmk
But more importantly: Conservatives have never been _right_ about anything.
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