Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

AreYou Fish Food? Do They Know They Are?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:27 AM
Original message
AreYou Fish Food? Do They Know They Are?
Let me throw out the followng quote...then think about it:

"Soon the nation was into a raucous era whose inheritors were Daniel Drew, Jay Gould, Jim Fisk, and others of that stripe, operating in 'a riot of individual materialism, under which,'as Theodore Roosevelt was to say, 'complete freedom for the individual turned out in practice to mean perfect freedom for the strong to wrong the weak'. The big fish ate the little fish, and once the little fish got scarce or learned to hide among the rocks, the big fish ate each other."

This quote is from Shelby Foote at the end of his 3 massive volumes on the Civil War. Those lines apply to more than the coming of the Gilded Age. I'm in my 60's. I've watched this "fan dance" of capitalism for decades. Whenever the average guy gets a few bucks ahead in his jeans, the vultures swoop down, beat the shit out of him, take those bucks and a few more and knock "average guy" back to the economic stone age.

In addition, the wealthy/powerful let small business build up just so far, kick the slats out from under them and gobble them up as their own or drive them out of business. Yes, we are "fish food" and all those average Joes of the Republican lunatic fringe better realize they, too, are "little fish" and go hide. And..a lot of "big fish" are about to be eaten alive, also.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:32 AM
Response to Original message
1. I'm wondering.... now that the GOP has destroyed our country....
... and no one is buying any of the mass quantities of China products American manufacturers have had them build, what will happen?

Will these American manufacturers that outsourced to China, India, Mexico, etc. go out of business?

What will happen with the outsourced American companies when the tax benefits in the Stim Bill for manufacturers that manufacture inside our country, go into effect?

Will everything stay the same as it is now, or will everything change?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Sarah--"big fish" thinking
This isn't happening in a vacuum. Certain big fish are poised to gobble not only little fish but fellow big fish. There is always the striving in the capitalistic society to be "THE ONE". The one who eventually owns everything from goods and services to the very water you drink. We are just in one of those massive tutonic plate shifts that will eventually benefit even fewer at the top. Soon it will not be the top 1% it will be the top .5%.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. But that percentage and the amount of wealth it has held has been different throughout
history. I agree, I'd rather it all be fair. But there are differences throughout history. It was fairer before Reagan, for ex.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. Sarah--yes, there are always people more rich than others
..but what Shelby was referring to and Teddy Roosevelt had to deal with, was when it got so out of hand that we were headed for a dictatorship of wealth. Jay Gould came damn close to literally owning the entire US Treasury and, thus, the whole economic engine of the US. Teddy saw this big fish eating all the little fish and their fellow big fish and struck with the anti-monopoly and anti-trust laws. We have not enforced these laws from about Ronnie on, AND we have a more complicated thing going on now in that this is now international "big fish" and we don't know behind which reef they lurk. We little fish are now in even that much more danger than were the little fish that Teddy ended up giving some protection to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Yep. I understand. That's why regulation is important and why globalization so dangerous....
Because it blurs the corporations, and they can get away with even more.

I know that we're in more danger, but I believe that Obama is trying to do something. Maybe not everything, but something.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. In the textile world it was retailers who outsourced
and US manufacturers (who had spent lots of money cleaning up their environmental and labor acts) who were dumped. I think that other industries saw the same thing.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
4. They build the aquarium
stock it with a few fish, put in the bait - wait until there's a frenzy - and then suck everything out of the tank.

If you're too small, they throw you out and then say the problem is all the flopping fish on the bank.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:49 AM
Response to Original message
5. I think the biggest fish speaks Mandarin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Winky--actually....
I think the Mandarin fish is suddenly doing a lot of flopping about looking for deeper water and if he starts sucking air, I think the red, white and blue fish could end up floating belly up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Yep. If no one is buying anything in the world, the factories in China die nt
Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 11:58 AM by Sarah Ibarruri
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Oh, for sure, about the R,W,&B fish. I guess we should hope China gets $$ out of South America.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 11:54 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC