Do Nader and/or the Menendez brothers deserve a place at the table?

[LoZoccolo]

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[BeatleBoot]

1. The Picnic Table for sure

I'd love to have a brew and a burger with Nader the nutjob.

[dmallind]

2. What table for what? The Menendez brothers only killed 2 for a start

It is not just arguable but damn near undeniable that Nader's mendacious vanity run in FL alone killed at least 4000 Americans and probably 100 times that many Iraqis. The only difference is that between proximal cause and propinqual cause. Up to individuals how they value far more lives lost at one step removed. Interesting question of moral agency there.

[depakid]

5. Oh please

What a pathetic thing to say.

[dmallind]

7. And incorrect in what way exactly?

Had Nader not run do you honestly think Bush would have been elected? That is insupportable.

Had Bush not been elected do you think Gore would have made the same decisions about Iraq? That is also insupportable.

So again - where exactly am I wrong?

I don't incidentally propose that Nader INTENDED those results - but that's not the question.

[spoony]

9. And how far back does this chain of causality go?

Perhaps it's all Nader's parents fault for having him. Or the bartender who served his grandma that drink that loosened her up for grandpa (just for the sake of argument). Or how about the voters? Or the doctors who cured illnesses during the childhoods of those voters, allowing them to grow up and vote for Nader and therefore DESTROY HUMANITY AS WE KNOW IT.

Or, as someone else posted the last time this crazy theme was brought up, maybe it's the GORE VOTERS' fault for not voting for Nader!

[depakid]

10. Why do you think Nader had a constituency?

Did he just magically conjure it up? Or did Democrats betray their traditional values so often that people left the party in disgust?

Oh, and btw "the party?" Its members overwhelmingly voted for war.

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. And yet the DLC'ers keep saying it.

Why is it that they refuse to take election fraud seriously?

Of course the last two New Hampshire primaries have made the answer to that one obvious. The DLC won't talk about election fraud, because they USE it. (Which is why certain candidates hated caucuses that couldn't be rigged.)

[demmiblue]

3. What a bizarre post.

[Grown2Hate]

4. That's one HELL of a table, I'd say. NT

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. Maybe you should substitute Goldman Sachs for the Menendez Brothers?

Lyle and Eric killed their parents. The criminals at G/S killed the entire country.

Nader didn't kill anybody.

[IndianaGreen]

11. The American people deserve a place at the table

but apparently we are being kept off it, as is Single Payer.

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[Flaneur]

14. Seriously. Get help.

In answer to your question: I dunno, do Hitler and the Cocteau Twins get a place at the table, too? Fred Astaire and the Bobbsey Twins? What table?