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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:30 PM
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Obama Surprises Russia
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/1016/42/379421.htm

Obama Surprises Russia
10 July 2009
By Vladimir Ryzhkov


U.S. President Barack Obama’s visit to Moscow was a master class par excellence in presidential leadership. He knew exactly why he was coming to Russia and took away with him everything he had wanted. Even while lavishing praise on the Russian leaders, Obama did not give ground on a single position. He achieved what was on his agenda in his negotiations with President Dmitry Medvedev while at the same time giving tremendous support to Russia’s civil society. This is not just a new president. This is a completely new type of global leadership. If Obama is able to manage the unprecedented challenges facing him, and if luck goes his way, he has a chance of becoming one of the greatest presidents in U.S. history.

The top foreign policy priorities for the Obama administration include the dangerous region spanning Afghanistan and Pakistan, strengthening the Iraqi state while gradually withdrawing U.S. troops from that country, Iran’s nuclear program, and the settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Coalition forces are currently waging a major offensive in southern Afghanistan. Given that situation, Moscow’s decision to allow U.S. aircraft to pass through Russian airspace is extremely valuable and marks an important victory for Obama. Russia gains from the arrangement as well because it is no less interested in stabilizing the huge powder keg on its southern flank.
The spread of nuclear weapons to an ever-increasing number of countries is another major challenge facing the new U.S. administration. A decision was reached at the Moscow summit to prepare a new treaty by year’s end to replace the current START I agreement, and that would provide for almost halving the number of nuclear warheads and delivery vehicles. This will not only reduce the financial burden of maintaining redundant and useless nuclear weapons, but will set a good example in encouraging other countries to decrease their arsenals. In the case of arms reductions, U.S. and Russian interests coincide.

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Obama introduced a completely new political style. He did not put his arm around the shoulder of his “friend Dima” or his “friend Volodya,” nor did he “look into their souls.” Obama was very professional and held firmly to his position, and he walked away a winner. It appears that the Kremlin elite were caught off guard. They clearly underestimated Obama and were not prepared to do business with such a smart and well-prepared partner.

No U.S. president has ever spent so much time meeting with Russian civil society as Obama did. At his meeting with members of the Russian opposition, at which I was present, Obama stated directly that he intends to have contact with not only the leaders of other countries, but with members of society as well. In his speech at the New Economic School, Obama stressed that the time when a handful of state leaders would decide the fate of the world had passed. At our meeting, Obama said he would actively support broader contacts between nongovernmental organizations. Obama also explained that he values democracy above all else because only democratic countries can be true advocates of peace and progress. It is hard to imagine a time when Russia ever received more open support for democracy, human rights and civil society than it did on Obama’s second day in Moscow.
At the end of our meeting with Obama, where we discussed the biased judicial system and in particular the highly politicized convictions of former Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky and his former business partner Platon Lebedev. We discussed the problems of political prisoners, freedom of speech, the murder of opposition members and journalists, the censuring of the mass media and repressive measures against opposition parties.

Obama has been in office for only six months, but the world has already started to change. The new U.S. president represents a good balance between national interests and personal values. He is able to conduct a pragmatic dialogue with the ruling authorities while simultaneously supporting civil society and the opposition. His leadership style is businesslike and friendly. Obama is able to reach out to millions of people all over the world, and he symbolizes the new, improved image of the United States. In short, Obama presents a new form of politics — the politics of change. As a result, the entire world is changing as well.

Vladimir Ryzhkov, a State Duma deputy from 1993 to 2007, hosts a political talk show on Ekho Moskvy radio.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:32 PM
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1. excellent opinion piece in that column
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:38 PM
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2. Wonderful article. Big recommend.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:39 AM
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23. kick
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:41 PM
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3. "No U.S. president has ever spent so much time meeting with Russian civil society as Obama did." Did
anyone tell the AP?

Analysis: Obama's global reach only goes so far

Yet in Russia, Obama met skepticism. Crowds weren't wooed.


They must have written that before Obama arrived in Russia and tweaked it to reflect their low expectations.


In Russia, Defining the Reset
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:45 PM
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4. Wow, what a difference from the Russian that wrote this article
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 06:46 PM by babylonsister
and the AP's 'perception'. Sadly, most Americans, if they read at all, will read the AP version. x(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:56 PM
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15. When I see the name "AP" I think
shoddy, deceptive, yellow journalism.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:46 PM
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5. Amazing how everyone is surprised. Over and over.
Edited on Sat Jul-11-09 06:47 PM by BlooInBloo
Clinton: OMG!

McCain: OMG!

Russia: OMG!

:rofl:
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:53 PM
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7. don't forget Iran. although theirs was more
OH SHIT!
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:54 PM
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8. Everyone underestimates him.
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sarah553807 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 07:25 PM
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9. Yup
during the campaign trail and now

but this man knows what he's doing.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 07:44 PM
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11. +1 OMG!
:)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 06:52 PM
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6. And Obama adds many new members to one of the largest and fastest growing clubs in the world:
The club of those that underestimated a skinny kid from Chicago with big ears and a funny name:


They clearly underestimated Obama and were not prepared to do business with such a smart and well-prepared partner
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 07:27 PM
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10. Impressive piece. Recommended. (nt)
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:22 PM
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12. Community organizer gone global.
Really good article.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:25 PM
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13. I love that!!! Can I borrow it.? Community Organizer Gone Global
:thumbsup:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:45 PM
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14. Of course.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 11:28 PM
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17. exactly. all one needs to do is read Dreams From My Father to know
where Barack Obama has been coming from ever since he battled against powerful forces in outer Chicago as he tried to help impoverished people through community efforts. He knew mobilizing people for their own good is the way to go but you need to have the levers of power.

All of this makes perfect sense to me. And he is unlocking the potential of the people themselves.

That's why he said "We are the ones we've been waiting for". and it is powerful.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 08:57 PM
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16. Thanks for posting that
It was a good read.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:01 AM
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18. But, but, but.....I thought Obama can only be successful if
as soon as he emerges from a room after a meeting he has gotten everything he wants just like presto, and his meeting partners are expected to rush out of the room and announce to the the press just that! That is the only short sighted measure the media knows to judge if anything meaningful has been accomplished, far as they are concerned.

That's why the media is always sooo very wrong when they analyze Obama's success or failure in these global settings. They always, always underestimates his effectiveness and the long run of such. Instead, they analyze everything as though all must be proven as done instantly.

Me thinks the American Press don't know what in the fuck they are talking about about 99% of the time. They tell us what they wish the results would be (next to nothing)...and so each time, Barack Obama, even when he hits it out of the park, is criticized as not having done what he had set out to do. So glad that history books won't be written by AP and such. At least that's a relief.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:22 AM
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19. Yup !
Too true.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:05 AM
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20. I love the slap against Bush's extremely inelegant and
unprofessional buddy-buddy style.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:10 AM
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21. I missed this trip. Was it before MJ or after Palin?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 03:08 AM
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22. Other countries who don't give as big a fuck as to what Americans and its media thinks
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 03:09 AM by FrenchieCat
Understood the purposefulness of Obama's trip.
And that's what important in "foreign relations".
The key is that Obama thinks about everything that he does;
he's methodical like that....and because he is,
things will fall together the way that they should.

That's a prediction.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:10 AM
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24. But, Charles Krauthammer said Obama's Russia trip was a disaster of epic proportions!
And, we all know, Charles Krauthammer is never wrong and is near infallible on foreign policy issues.


:sarcasm:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:25 AM
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25. Some contrast:
Maggie Thatcher finally cajoled the Gipper into meeting Gorby, and Gorby cleaned Reagan's clock. Reagan's hard-right "handlers" nearly had to drag Reagan out of the room before he signed away our entire nuclear deterrent. Reagan -- and the planet -- was lucky Gorbachev sought genuine and stable peace. Had Yuri Andropov's health held, Reagan's "jokes" and gaffes might have caused World War III.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020319Hersh.html
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:46 AM
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26. "Obama has been in office for only six months, but the world has already started to change"
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:47 AM by uponit7771
"Starting" is A+ to me...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:06 PM
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27. Impact on world affairs is one of the main reasons I supported Obama from Day One
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 12:08 PM by BeyondGeography
and not just for symbolic purposes. He's a serious student, genuinely interested in the outside world, respectful of the legitimacy of others' aspirations. He is also quick to recognize and challenge unprincipled behavior and draw the line on excessive/unfair criticism of the U.S. It was clear he would elevate the tone and purpose of our dealings with other nations, do so in a way that commanded attention and respect, and amusing that his abilities in foreign policy were (and continue to be) so routinely dismissed by his rivals.
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