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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:23 AM
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Hillary Clinton plans to reassert herself with high-profile speech
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 09:24 AM by Beacool

In the first six months of Barack Obama's presidency,
Hillary Clinton has brought her star power to the world
stage and cemented her position as a serious internal player.

By BEN SMITH | 7/14/09

In the first six months of the Obama administration, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has brought her star power to the world stage and cemented her position as a serious internal player. Now, according to her aides, she is ready to articulate her own policy agenda, one that focuses in part on strengthening Americans’ capacity for what has been called “smart power.”

The speech she is scheduled to give Wednesday to the Council on Foreign Relations is expected to serve as an explanation and framework of the administration’s foreign policy and a tour of its busy first half-year. But it will sound some themes closely associated with Clinton’s former life as first lady and U.S. senator.

“She is bringing the concept of ‘it takes a village’ to foreign policy,” said Brookings Institution President Strobe Talbott, invoking the title of a well-received book that Clinton wrote while her husband was in the White House.

“She thought it was a good time to try to give a framing speech to take some perspective, talk about what we have been doing, what we plan to do – the administration and her as secretary – and how these issues fit together as part of a larger strategy,” said an administration official familiar with the draft speech, who said it would tour a breakneck half-year’s diplomatic efforts everywhere from Iran to North Korea, Iraq, Pakistan, and the Middle East.

“It’s an opportunity to take a step back and talk about how this all fits together,” the official said.

The speech will include “strong discussion of development and a forward-looking overview of how we think about U.S. relations with management of the great powers in a way that gets more comprehensive than what they are doing on this or that crisis,” said another Democratic foreign policy official.

One official said the speech has been long in the making and has been labored over by Director of Policy Planning Anne-Marie Slaughter — a former academic who has emerged as a key Clinton policy adviser — along with speechwriter Lissa Muscatine.

But another official suggested an additional motivation: Beating back a persistent perception that Clinton has been kept in the administration’s shadows. Tina Brown wrote on The Daily Beast on Monday that President Barack Obama had confined Clinton to a kind of “wifehood of the Saudi variety” and that it is “time for Barack Obama to let Hillary Clinton take off her burqa.”


Officials at the White House and State Department reject the notion that Clinton has been marginalized — and note that much of the low profile is of Clinton’s choosing. She has made, for instance, just one appearance on a Sunday morning talk show — and none until last month — but they insist that’s an absence as much of her choosing as of the White House’s. The White House press office sought to book her on Sunday shows three times before, an official said, but she declined each time, twice because she was overseas and once because she was in New York for Mother’s Day.

Her visibility was also affected by a broken elbow, which required surgery and extensive physical therapy, and prevented her from accompanying Obama on his most recent foreign trip.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24893.html

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:55 AM
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1. There are sure a lot of competing stories on her role -
I assume that some grossly overstate it, while others unfairly try to completely marginalize her. It is clear there are people trying hard to get both views out. There are then parallel stories on HRC as a team player vs HRC as someone speaking against administration policy.

Here's a WP one that has to have a HRC aide as a source - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/10/AR2009071002936.html - which stays in the middle.

In both of these cases, the truth is likely in the middle. Obama is very clearly making the key foreign policy decisions - which is as it should be. (No one credited Allbright or Holbroke for making Bill Clinton's decisions and he came into office with less foreign policy experience than Obama.) It is clear that on some key issues, HRC disagreed. But, she is at cabinet meetings and does have her say. Per one article, Biden credited her (though Jones and Gates were in the same place) as influencing Obama to use the soldiers in Afghanistan to create a heavier footprint.

The speech should be interesting as a window on the administration's foreign policy. It seems likely that her speech, as well as other administration speesches - like Biden's AIPAC speech, that was very different than prior Biden AIPAC speeches - are coordinated with the WH and do reflect the administration's policies. The CFR usually has a Q&A after speeches, so we should get some insight into her views on issues where administration policy is not firm.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:16 AM
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3. People like to create drama.
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 10:47 AM by Beacool
Hillary has always been a team player, buy she's no one's patsy and she will speak her mind.

So, as you say, the truth about all these stories is somewhat in the middle.

Although I didn't appreciate Tina Brown's column:

Obama's Other Wife

Left behind on major presidential trips, overruled in choosing her own staff—Hillary Clinton is the invisible woman at State. But Obama's brilliant foreign-policy spouse may not stay silent forever.

It’s time for Barack Obama to let Hillary Clinton take off her burqa.

Consider the president’s Moscow trip a week ago. In a cozy scene at Vladimir Putin’s dacha, the boys enjoyed traditional Russian tea and breakfast on a terrace. Sitting on Putin’s right was the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov. Where was Lavrov’s counterpart? She was back home, left there with a broken elbow to receive a visit from the ousted Honduran president, José Manuel Zelaya.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-13/obamas-other-wife-1/2/

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:34 AM
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8. I hated that one as well and have never linked to it
It represents the Maureen Dowd school of writing. It is also incredibly sexist.

Look just at the segment you quoted -

-- Obama's other wife
-- spouse
-- burga ??

These are all inappropriate. No counterpart to these comments would be made had Holbrooke or Richardson been picked. There is also no more substance to the information than there is in a typical Sarah Palin interview - and that sets a low bar.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:46 AM
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10. I agree, I didn't appreciate her analogy
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 10:46 AM by Beacool
that Obama is treating Hillary as if she were his Saudi wife. Unlike MoDo, Tina Brown is not a Hillary hater. I was surprised by her column.

x(
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 02:20 PM
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20. I agree she is a HRC fan - but she ends up using the same sarcastic language
and it is Obama's supposed attitude that she is hitting here. Those words are interspersed with enough praise for HRC that that is obvious. My problem is that using ridicule, while it can be effective in destroying credibility, adds no insight.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:28 PM
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26. It is a play to victimhood
not to attack Hillary but to demean Obama. The same meme is being pushed by race hate site NoQuarter and its support group The New Agenda. They are trying to present Hillary as a victim. She is certainly not one for victim mentality.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:58 PM
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14. "Obama's OTHER WIFE"??

:wtf:


That’s the trouble. You could say that Obama is lucky to have such a great foreign-policy wife. Those who voted for Hillary wonder how long she'll be content with an office wifehood of the Saudi variety.



what a strange column. :shrug:



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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:12 AM
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2. good luck to your gal Bea...
:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:19 AM
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4. Hi, how are you?
Well, "my" gal is now "our" gal as she is the SOS.

Take care of banky.

:pals:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:30 AM
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i washed him yesterday
;)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:32 AM
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6. Ohhhh, then he's all nice and fluffy!!!
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 10:33 AM by Beacool
I think that it's time for a long nap.

:boring:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 02:21 PM
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21. ok Bea, our gal.
:)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:59 PM
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34. Notice that I didn't call you Banky since you scolded me.
But I like it far better than the serious sounding Dionysus.

:-(
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:03 PM
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35. dionysus is the son of bacchus, but you can call me banky if you like
;)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:23 PM
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39. Actually he IS Bacchus
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 04:23 PM by Beacool
Dyonisus (Greek) = Bacchus (Roman).

I have an older brother who subscribed to a magazine on Greek and Roman mythology. I loved reading it as a little girl.



In classical mythology, Dionysus or Dionysos is the god of wine, the inspirer of ritual madness and ecstasy, and a major figure of Greek mythology, and one of the twelve Olympians, among whom Greek mythology treated Dionysus as a late arrival. The geographical origins of his cult were unknown to the classical Greeks, but almost all myths depicted him as having "foreign" origins: typical of the god of the epiphany, "the god that comes".

To the Romans he was known as Bacchus<1> and the frenzy he induces, bakkheia. He is the patron deity of agriculture and the theater. He was also known as the Liberator (Eleutherios), freeing one from one's normal self, by madness, ecstasy, or wine.<2> The divine mission of Dionysus was to mingle the music of the aulos and to bring an end to care and worry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:30 AM
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5. I will be waiting to hear this speech. n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:33 AM
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7. Me too!!
:)
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:37 AM
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9. I will be sure to look for
her speech Wednesday it should be quite good.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:35 PM
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11. I'm sure that it will be.
BTW, I've been too busy to pay attention to this unrec new feature. But, this thread had 3 recs and now is at 0? How does this work.

:(
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:46 PM
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12. Well I noticed that this
started off with three recs and now its back past zero but I also noticed that the usual shit stirrers who come into the Hillary threads and fling poo aren't here so I guess they are being content with making sure they un recommend it to make sure it doesn't get enough recs to get to the greatest page.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:51 PM
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13. Same crowd, different methods.
That's OK, two can play the same game.

;)

Although, I wish that they would remove this feature. It seems to me rude and undemocratic that one group of people can counteract someone else's right to have their rec counted.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:01 PM
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15. Well I think once the novelty wears off
it will work the way Skinner wants it to. I am really enjoying all of the outrage about it though.:evilgrin: And I must confess that I have enjoyed the un recommend button a few times.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:31 PM
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18. Frankly, I don't much care.
I didn't read about the outrage, but people have the right to vent if they don't like it.

Whatever.......
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 02:22 PM
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22. just to prove you wrong i recced the thread.
:P
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 02:38 PM
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23. You are too cool
:rofl:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:07 PM
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37. i think the whole rec thing is foolish anyways, so i really don't use it. i'd rather see like a DU
hall of fame where infamous threads can be preserved, like the legendary seabiscuit thread, and the walt starr "tombstone me now skinner" thread.

now THAT would have value.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:52 PM
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30. Thank you, friend!!
:hug:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:05 PM
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16. Hillary so far is striking a balance down the middle of being independent while
still following in what the WH wants.

And the Tina Brown column..yuck. Terrible, trash.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:36 PM
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19. I know, I was disappointed in Tina.
What's with the burqa crap? I wonder if she got the idea from seeing Hillary in Egypt at the mosque with Obama.

Not cool.....

:-(
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:35 PM
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28. I think that is exactly where she got it from.
To refer to Hillary as Obama's "other wife" is just weird and sexist.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:54 PM
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31. Yeah, very sexist.
Would she have called a male politician "her other husband" if we had a woman president?

;(
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:11 PM
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17. I can't wait to hear her speech... and I can't wait for her to reassert herself !
Thanks for posting this, Bea!

SOS Clinton does everything for a reason... I think she wanted to keep quiet for awhile so Pres Obama could shine without the media causing FALSE trouble (the media was hoping to pit them against each other, when they obviously are professionals who get along well). She does what it takes to be most effective at whatever position she is in.

I'm looking forward to hearing more from her.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:56 PM
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32. You're welcome.
I'm looking forward to seeing more of her too. This drumbeat about her being marginalized by Obama is creating too much drama by now.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:11 PM
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24. Does the White House press office have no idea of SOS schedule?Why would they try to book her on Sun
shows when she isn't even in the country.

I never supported Clinton over Obama in the primaries, and I thought some of the things she and her supporters said were despicable (but so was the way the media treated her) so this isn't coming from an avowed Clinton supporter at all.

Do they really have no idea of her schedule? I'd really prefer answers based in facts, rather than personal biases.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:26 PM
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25. Good point!!
How come they supposedly asked twice when she was out of the country and on Mother's Day? Either they are incompetent or this is just an excuse.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:34 PM
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27. Her schedule is a bit out of kilter at the moment
but it is available on line at the State Department web site.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:39 PM
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29. Well, assuming the "out of kilter" business isn't why the WH press office tried to book her when she
was out of the country, perhaps they need to be emailed that link?
I don't think that "Mother's Day" is a legitimate excuse for an SOS to use to not do Sun talk shows, though.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 03:57 PM
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33. Nor is being in NY
I've seen tons of people there remotely. (IE Kerry in Boston)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:06 PM
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36. She deserves a break too.
It was Mother's Day and they wanted to be together as a family. Bill took out the 3 women in his family (that includes his MIL). Due to their divergent schedules, it's sometimes hard for them to have family time.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:09 PM
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38. She's SOS. If she wants to be on Sunday talk shows, she can arrange for a local NY
station to provide the link. It happens all the time. Dinner could have been a few hours later.

That's part of being SOS.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:25 PM
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40. I know, but she's been SOS for almost 6 months.
Are those 3 weekends the only time that the WH could have booked her?

:shrug:
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 04:36 PM
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41. That's a good point. But there's no go reason she could not have accommodated the Mothers Day
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 04:38 PM by lindisfarne
request. I know plenty of women who work Mother's Day. She knew when she took the position she would be busy. There's nothing magical about the first Sun in May. She could have spent a different day with her family, or simply started enjoying their company a little later on Sunday.

I wonder if she herself doesn't want to be on them. There are good reasons to not want to. But it's not politically expedient to be direct about it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 09:58 AM
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45. It may be that she really does not like those shows
Though she did a good job the Sunday she did 3 of them when she was running for President, she was not a common guest before then or after she was out of the primaries. Now, she is an obvious catch - so I assume that as Senator in either of those time periods, all she had to do was to have an aide call any show - and she would have been there. I think there are Senators who like doing them - Biden was on nearly every Sunday for years - now, I think Lindsey Graham is on very very frequently.

With the WH, it may have been that those 3 weeks had big foreign policy issues - so they asked her and it didn't work out. I doubt it really is a sign of anything.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 11:07 AM
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47. You do have a point.
Hillary doesn't care for the press, she was burned too many times by them. She was vulnerable and opened up to a NYT reporter when she gave them an interview shortly after her father died. She spoke of her religious beliefs and her spirituality. The Times reporter was dismissive and mocking in her article and since then Hillary brought down the curtain. She'll speak to the press when she has to, but doesn't particularly like nor trust them.

I don't blame her, the press has behaved like vultures tearing apart a carcass when it comes to both Clintons.

:-(
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 05:52 PM
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42. Schedules tend to get a bit messed up
if you bust your arm up.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:43 PM
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43. Recommend for our great SoS and this column.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 09:07 AM
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44. Thanks!!!
:hi:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 10:08 AM
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46. Can't wait to hear it....n/t
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:23 PM
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48. Look Ma, no sling!!!




Maxime Verhagen, Foreign Minister of the Netherlands listens as US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks during a photo opportunity after holding meetings at the State Department in Washington, DC, July 14, 2009

:woohoo:
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:15 PM
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49. Strange, Bloomberg wishes that she'd stop reasserting herself in NYC
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 02:50 PM
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50. Why don't you also quote the reason the State Department had for taking this measure?
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 02:50 PM by Beacool
The State Department said it changed the policy because other countries were threatening to charge property taxes on U.S. property overseas.

"This was a decision made by the Department in the best interest of the United States -- its foreign policy and its taxpayers -- as both were jeopardized by foreign governments considering or already taking reciprocal action," said Fred Lash, press officer for State Department.

:eyes:
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 03:10 PM
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51. Bloomberg must think the 'reason' is BS because he says Clinton is stabbing NYC in the back.
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 03:12 PM by Lord Helmet
Btw my link works fine. If you've got a problem with what Bloomberg said, take it up with Bloomberg.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 03:24 PM
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52. I couldn't care less what Bloomberg said.
Just found it interesting that you extrapolated his comments to suit your intent.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 03:43 PM
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53. LOL. As usual you personalize it when you can't take the heat.
Bloomberg doesn't think much of 'your gal' and you just can't stand it, can you? It's always somebody else's fault when Clinton falls short of the way you see her in your head. ROFL. You really are a piece of work.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:55 PM
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54. You are way too funny.
Hillary is no longer a NY senator, she now has to do what's best for the country not just one state. Interesting that you would quote the Republican Bloomberg. Oh yeah, he's now running as a Republican, before he ran as an Independent and before that he was a Democrat.

BTW, you're the bigger piece of work, honey........

;)
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