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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:17 PM
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Nouriel Roubini: "Unemployment rate will remain well above 10% for a long time"

Mounting Job Losses Will Hurt Consumption, Housing, Banks’ Balance Sheets, Public Finances and Lead to Protectionist Pressures
By Nouriel Roubini
July 14, 2009

Recent data suggest that job market conditions are not improving in the United States and other advanced economies. In the U.S., the unemployment rate, currently at 9.5%, is poised to rise above 10% by the fall. It should peak at 11% some time in 2010 and remain well above 10% for a long time. The unemployment rate will peak above 10% in most other advanced economies (especially Europe and Japan), too, where social safety nets are broader and thus leading to less short term job losses and pain, but where the effects of the crisis on growth have been even more severe than the U.S.

But these raw figures on job losses, bad as they are, actually understate the weakness in world labor markets. If you include partially employed workers and discouraged workers who left the U.S. labor force, for example, the unemployment rate is already 16.5%; even temporary employment is sharply down. Monetary and fiscal stimulus in most countries has done little to slow down the rate of job losses as economies suffer from problems of insolvency, not just illiquidity, and as the fiscal stimulus programs are too small and not labor intensive enough. As a result, total labor income – the product of jobs times hours worked times average hourly wages – has fallen dramatically.

Moreover, many employers, seeking to “share the pain” of the recession and slow down the rate of layoffs, are now asking workers to accept cuts in both hours and hourly wages. Thus, the total effect of the recession on labor income of jobs, hours and wage reductions is much larger.

Other indicators are suggesting a protracted period of job losses and a persistently high unemployment rate even after the recession is over. The average duration of unemployment is now at an all time high in the U.S. Many manufacturing sectors are on a secular decline (autos, etc.) and employers are shedding jobs on a permanent basis; employment in the previously bubbly sectors (housing and related housing/real estate services, banking and financial services) is falling sharply and will not recover for a long time. The process of offshore outsourcing of both blue collar and white collar jobs is still in full swing. A lot of the job losses in the U.S. and in other advanced economies are structural rather than cyclical; many jobs will never come back.

A sharp contraction in jobs and labor income has many negative consequences on both the economy and financial markets. There are at least five important ones that we will discuss next:

Read the rest of his article at:

http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/257274/mounting_job_losses_will_hurt_consumption_housing_banks_balance_sheets_public_finances_and_lead_to_protectionist_pressures


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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:19 PM
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1. Does Dr. Doom *EVER* see a silver lining in ANYTHING?

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:21 PM
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2. You're quick! You read the entire article in less than one minute!

Or do you like commenting on articles you haven't actually read?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:22 PM
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3. Actually, I read it about a half hour ago.....independent of your thread
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:29 PM
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5. Really? Well , how about telling us what points you disagree with and why.
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 12:31 PM by Better Believe It
You have the floor.

This is a discussion board, so discuss his article and share your opinion with us. Isn't that why you are here in this string?

You didn't jump in here to just engage in a personal attack against Mr. Roubini .... did you?

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:42 PM
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10. I don't disagree with it! I'm just asking if Roubini ever has any GOOD news....
it's getting depressing!
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:06 PM
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17. Main Street is in a depression
but Wall Street is partying like it's 1929 before the Stock Market Crash.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:23 AM
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25. Well, I'm so sorry you can't handle reality.
Why don't you go watch CNBC and get some "Good News" to numb you up real good.

I'll bet you'll be up at 6 AM to see the cheerleaders waving their Pom-Poms and orgasming all over themselves because Intel just saved the entire planet with their bullshit "Profit Explosion" (As long as you ignore all the stuff that makes it not true, of course), and Goldman Sachs beating their chests about their Profits (At the expense of Planet Earth of course).

There's plenty of Propaganda out there to make you feel good, so I don't understand why you are even reading this.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:26 PM
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4. Dr Doom predicted the financial meltdown...
...and Dr. Doom isn't the only one saying unemployment will stay high...losing 500,000 jobs a month, which essentially means losing 650,000 (taking into account the numbers entering the workforce and the growing population), yeah, 10% is kinda low.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:42 PM
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11. I know! I'm asking if he ever has any GOOD news for us!

It's depressing to hear him anymore.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:08 PM
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19. True, but I'd rather hear him than anyone on CNBC telling us the
recession is over!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:16 PM
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20. Those pitchmen and snake oil salesman on CNBC never get it right except by accident!

They are always pitching stocks. Whenever they say buy you should sell!

And on top of that most of them are a bunch of right-wing a-holes who are only interested in enriching themselves at everyone else's expense.

I hardly watch CNBC anymore. I'm afraid I'll throw something at the TV screen.

Well, I don't buy or sell in the stock market but my wife has taken a beating on her 401K at work.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:34 PM
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7. um... as far as unemployment goes, there's a broad plurality of agreement
that it will be high for quite some time to come.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:35 PM
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8. jobs are hemorrhaging at 500,000/month
That's 6,000,000,000 people each year thrown out of work. I've just spent 2 days running around re-applying at all the places I've already been rejected by 2 and 3 times, and will be headed out again shortly. Only now I'm choking back tears and begging for work. I don't know how I'm going to heat my home or feed my family this year.

Please, by all means, share the silver lining you see. We're waiting.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:39 PM
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9. You don't have cake?
Everyone has cake. Everyone should stop looking their gift-cake in the mouth and eat it.

But seriously, best of luck to you. It's going to be a long, hard slog. Hang in there as best you're able and don't be afraid to scream when you need to.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:43 PM
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12. I don't have one. I'm hoping that one of these days, Roubini has one!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:46 PM
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14. Slight correction, that's the multiplier baseline...the TRUE basline has been 600k since DEC 08
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 07:19 AM
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26. Wow, that's 6 BILLION people out of work by your math-almost the entire population of the planet!
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 07:23 AM by InAbLuEsTaTe
Sorry to hear about your personal situation. Good luck with the job hunting. Things are bound to improve with Obama at the helm.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:37 PM
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21. Well, Obama asked him to come on as an economic adviser. He must be worth listening to
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:31 PM
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6. Others have said the same thing. Sometimes it might be wise if
we accept the fact that things are going to be bad for a long
time and determine how Democrats can best cope with bad situations
than going into complete denial and end up looking as if we
do not understand what is going on.

In 2006, we warned (those of us who watched Schumer's Hearing on
state of economy.)---"we are in for 40,000. 000 (Fory million
job dislocations due to globalization and trade policies not
working out as planned." B.Rubin, L. Sommers, Alan Blinder
and a Professor from U. Chicago.

Trying to treat this as a Recession which will correct and
ignoring reality will come back to bite us.



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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:45 PM
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13. It's already at 16.5%, you can't keep counting the U3 unemployment rate after 18 months
...because it's a false indicator due to people coming of unemployment benefits.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:03 PM
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15. Move along, nothing to see here, everything is fine, nothing to see or worry about .... move along!
LIVING IN TENTS



http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Sacramento+Tent+City+Fills+Up+Newly+Jobless+BNRiykiEOUfl.jpg



UNEMPLOYED LINES







FORECLOSED HOMES









GOING OUT OF BUSINESS









Like I said .... move along now, everything is OK, put on your happy faces and come on .... singalong with me .....

http://www.smart-central.com/happydays.htm
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:05 PM
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16. But the banksters will keep making millions despite the hardships for the rest of us
Wonder how much longer our Corporate Plutocracy will stay afloat before a French Revolution happens in this country.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 10:46 PM
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28. That would be too much work and interfere with American Idol. Sometimes
I think the movie "They Live" was correct:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:06 PM
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18. Which is why the old model of living and economic theories should be
thrown out. A new theory that embraces sustainable living and individuals real value to society should be a focus... this would allow for worldwide happiness... and most likely, better technologies, great art and music, food that isn't engineered, air that's clean, and water one could drink. Its time to drop Capitalism on its ass. Its not going to continue. It cannot. The earth cannot sustain continued growth and waste.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 01:50 PM
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22. Yet, We'll Still Have H1B Visas Working in the U.S.
At what UE percentage level will our govt discontinue this fraud? 10%? 20%? 50%?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:03 PM
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24. I agree. H1-B visas should be abolished! n/t
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 08:27 PM
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23. Nouriel Roubini is one of my Facebook friends....
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 08:28 PM by CoffeeCat
He sent me a bunch of private messages one night at 1:00 a.m. I think he was flirting.

Just thought you might like to know that he's not all gloom and doom. ;)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-18-09 10:24 PM
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27. Why so gloomy? Now put on a happy face and sing along with me ....
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