Hey Freepers & Birthers give it up. 8/4/61 Honolulu Paper

[Botany]

Look somebody is playing you for suckers and fools .... good chance they are
taking your money too.

So not unless B. Obama or somebody got into Mr. Peabody's "Way Back Machine" and went back
to 1961 and changed the type in the Honolulu paper's printing press this all the proof you should
need.

[Wetzelbill]

1. I am pretty sure Bill Clinton's penis forged that. nt

[noamnety]

2. !

:rofl:

[Wetzelbill]

25. And oh has it forged.

:)

[Botany]

4. Bill's unit would have been almost 15 @ the time .....

...... but it was in Arkansas ...... or was it? :scared:

[Wetzelbill]

24. There is just no telling

How deep the Clenis has gone. It's been in and out of every bad thing that has ever happened in this country.

[Touchdown]

39. John Kerry Shot himself to be awarded a Birth Certificate.

[msanthrope]

65. Duzy worthy!!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. Thanks for posting this, but the birthers don't really give a shit about any of that.

They just want to believe that Obama is not actually president, and that somehow Sarah Palin will be deputized to physically drag him out of the White House as a result of discovering his true Kenyan birth certificate.

[Sheepshank]

71. actually they said they did care.

...over and over. The birthers srilly claim that there was not one shred of evidence, not one witness...including the birth cert. Maybe the birthers will conveniently forget that they asked for other evidence.

[scheming daemons]

5. Well.. Ann Dunham Obama had a premonition that her mixed-race son would run for President someday

...so she had that notice posted.


:sarcasm:

Because, as you know, in 1961 it was common belief that it was just a matter of time before a mixed-race son of a poor white Kansan and a Kenyan would become President of the United States.


And being the savvy 18-year-old she was, Ann Dunham Obama *knew* that the Constitution would prevent her son from becoming President if he was born outside the United States.... so she conducted this elaborate cover-up to hide the fact that Obama was born in Kenya.

Starting with the newspaper notice.

:sarcasm:

[brooklynite]

6. Oh, you're WAY behind the game.....

from our FRiends:

Obama Birth Announcement False (UPDATED!)
Obama Conspiracy Theories ^ | April 15, 2009 | Dr. Conspiracy

Posted on Sun Jul 5 11:21:07 2009 by SvenMagnussen

According to the Honolulu Advertiser, it was practice to get birth announcements from the Health Department via a news service, not from private submissions, as evidenced by that fact that two independent newspapers had the same announcement with the same announcements for other infants before and after. The announcement had to come from the Health Department, via the birth registration. So what gives? Did they live there or not? It all becomes clear with careful reading and examination of the evidence.

[lindisfarne]

10. Or, "the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in HI but argued instead ...

In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii,<50> but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship at birth was, in part, determined by the British Nationality Act. The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

[AspenRose]

12. They can't read.

It says "Health Bureau Statistics" right at the top of the page.

Idiots.

[Botany]

15. my head hurts from just reading that

so in 1961 the Health Dept. in Hawaii sent a phony birth announcement to a newspaper in Honolulu
so as to hide "the real birthplace" of Barack Obama?

[scheming daemons]

Because they knew he would be President someday!

Silly!

[FlyingSquirrel]

26. The site the Freepers linked to, the article actually concluded that the announcement

was probably true.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/obama-birth-announcement-false/comment-page-7/#comment-13032

Option A

Let’s assume for a moment that everything that Baro says about the interview is true (but not perhaps complete).

...

Now exactly who is “the family” in that sentence? It clearly says “Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack H. Obama Sr.” lived elsewhere. It does not say that Stanley Ann’s parents, Stan and Madelyn Dunham, didn’t live there. Indeed, we know that Stan and Madelyn Dunham did live on Kalanianaole Highway from 1960 to 1963 as evidenced by an article from the Honolulu Advertiser:

...

Since the Dunham’s did live next door, it makes perfect sense that Ms. Arakaki would know where the Obama family, her neighbor’s kids, lived as she claimed. If the Dunham family did NOT live next door, how in the world would Ms. Arakaki know where some obscure college kids who had only been in the city a year lived?

Since the Dunhams lived at the birth registration address, it would not have been criminal or fraudulent for Stanley Ann to have put down her mother’s address as her “usual residence”, especially if she were in transition from one place to another, or was unsure where they were going to live, or if (as the newspaper suggested) they intended to or actually did live in the “cottage out back”. There are half a dozen perfectly legal, harmless and plausible reasons why Stanley Ann Obama would have listed her parents’ address on her hospital form.

Because we have no transcript of the Arakaki interview, only a biased summary, we do not know how much other information was provided that could totally change the meaning of the interview.

There is simply nothing in this record that credibly challenges the birth announcement.

Option B

Is the Arakaki interview essentially true? The comments to this article suggest that it is not, and that public records show that Arakaki did not live at the house in question in 1961. (See comments.) In that case, we would assume that the “usual address” of Stanley Ann Obama was indeed 6085 Kalanianaole Highway (perhaps in the cottage out back). The birth registration would have made no assertion that she lived there with Barack Obama Sr. We know they were soon separated and eventually divorced. We don’t know that they were still living together on August 4, 1961. Indeed there is a lot we don’t know about the early details of the Obama marriage, and no one is left alive that can tell us. We do, however, have a newspaper birth announcement which is about all we can rely on at this point.

[Arkana]

7. OBAMA AND HIS ACORN CONTACTS FORGED THAT, GOOD SIR!

IN CONJUNCTION WITH BILL AYERS AND TONY REZKO!

[AspenRose]

16. And George Soros funded the forgery and the legal fees to cover everything up.

Can't forget about Mr. Soros.

:rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

22. I knew it!!!

We've been had :D

[amb123]

44. AND JUDGE SOTOMAYOR TOO!

apparently

:rofl:

[AspenRose]

8. They don't care. They just don't give a shit.

On an unrelated topic:

"Babies thrive on Carnation Evaporated Milk" - ewwwwwww

:P

[lindisfarne]

13. But it's fairly harmless, so let them keep focusing on it. Hey, HI wasn't a state yet! n/t

[scheming daemons]

14. Hawaii became a state in 1959.... so they don't even have that argument

[lindisfarne]

17. Did I need the sarcasm tag? n/t

[Historic NY]

27. Even before it was a territory. hence the naval base at Pearl Harbor.

[badgerpup]

67. Hey! It's good stuff...

Carnation Milk, the best in the land!
It comes in a little red-and-white can.
No tits to pull, no hay to pitch; just poke a hole in the sunnovabitch!

:spank:

Thank you, thank you...(s'not mine :blush: ).
Legend has it that it's from a contest for a slogan for Carnation Milk way back when radio was THE medium.
T'was the winning slogan...except they couldn't use it on the air. :rofl:

[Cha]

9. I've actually seen that before but

thanks for posting it..it's been awhile.

That paper is dated August 13, 1961..my birthday but, I was a Jr in high schoolB-)

Wonder if any of the hospital staff is still around..laughing at the birfers?

[Divine Discontent]

70. that's great! should put that argument to rest for most people that don't just hate anything with a

"D" next to it out of training.

[scheming daemons]

11. Here's a googlemaps image of the address in the birth announcement...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=6085+Kalanianaole,+honolulu&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.823846,69.697266&ie=UTF8&ll=21.285455,-157.723615&spn=0.001842,0.002127&t=h&z=19

In case you want to know what Obama's first home looked like.

[Cha]

18. Thanks for the aerial

view:P

[Botany]

21. Looks like Kenya to me

6085 Kalanianaole Hwy
Honolulu, HI 96821

[jberryhill]

32. There Is Also A Video Made From Old Home Movies Showing Obama's Childhood

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/

[dysfunctional press]

19. a birth announcement isn't proof of where the birth actually took place.

just sayin'...

[scheming daemons]

28. Ok... so to believe the birth took place somewhere else, you would have to believe:

- That Ann Dunham Obama, at 18 years old, had a strong feeling that her son would want to be President someday.

- That Ann Dunham Obama, at 18 years old, felt that racial and religous attitudes would progress over the next 40 years to allow the mixed-race son of a Kenyan atheist and a Kansan agnostic to seriously consider becoming President.

- That even though her son was automatically a citizen by virtue of her being an American citizen, as per the 14th amendment, that Ann Dunham Obama, at 18 years old, knew that the constitutional requirement for becoming President included a special kind of citizenship called "Natural Born".

- That KNOWING all this, Ann Dunham Obama *still* travelled out of the country... while 9 months pregnant... to Kenya... to deliver her son. (She had just left school 2 weeks prior to Barack's birth). Even though airline regulations at the time forbade women in their final trimester from flying. So even though Ann Dunham Obama had a strong premonition that her son would be President someday, she risked it all by illegally flying out of the country during her final month of pregnancy to deliver her child in Kenya.

- Then... immediately following the birth of her son, she flew back to Hawaii... with a week-old newborn (another airline rule broken - newborns weren't permitted on planes in 1961)... just so she could quickly get an announcement in the newspaper of her son's birth (the announcement is just 9 days after his birth). Even though the announcements came from the Hawaii Dept. of Health, and NOT from individuals phoning it in.


Did she know somebody at the Health Dept that would be able to put the birth announcement in the paper FOR her?

How did she manage to take TWO illegal flights: one to Kenya while very late in her pregnancy and one home with a newborn in her lap?



She had to be the most savvy, most intelligent, most well-connected 18-year-old kid in the history of the world to pull that off.

...and she had to be clairvoyant.

[noamnety]

29. You're making some bad assumptions there

You keep talking about airline reservations. Did it even occur to you she got to Kenya by crawling through secret underground tunnels?

ha. not so smug now, are you???

[scheming daemons]

30. I've seen those tunnels, a 9-month pregnant woman couldn't fit...

...so THERE!

Try again, freeper.

;-)

[Botany]

31. Now you are being silly

Now B.O.'s dad was a muslim w/ links to the middle east, right?

Ever hear of a flying carpet?

[Sebastian Doyle]

64. Don't be ridiculous!

The Muslin terrorist flying that rug is white! That ain't Baroque Hussain Osama's daddy!!11!!!!!11!

[Politicalboi]

35. She disguised him as a hunk of cheese

And she said she was part of the Kenya band. Hey it worked for Lucy didn't it? Oh wait..... Ann's got some splainin to do. Oh wait..... These asshole Freepers could have his birth on video showing the time and day and state and they would still not believe it. This B/C thing is code word for Black.

[dysfunctional press]

42. how do you get all that from that one birth announcement?

all that birth announcement says it that the baby was born to the couple- it doesn't indicate WHERE the birth took place.

[Hissyspit]

36. Newspaper announcements ARE official.

However, it is besides the point. This is only part of the official proof of Obama's birth.

[dysfunctional press]

41. how does the birth announcement indicate where he was born?

point it out.

[Ikonoklast]

45. It was reported to the newspaper by an official government agency

"Health Bureau Statistics"

Like they would just randomly make things up and send it in to the local newspaper.

But, as usual, you are being obtuse just for the hell of it.

[dysfunctional press]

46. where does the birth announcement say WHERE he was born?

please point it out.

[Ikonoklast]

47. 359 degrees.

You.

[dysfunctional press]

53. so in other words- you can't.

just as i thought.

:rofl: :rofl:

[ellie]

55. The onus is on you

to point out other instances where birth announcements for babies born in other countries are published in a paper's daily log. These items: birth, death, marriage licenses, come from the county or the city in which they happened. Whatever that department is called, Vital Records, Department of Health etc., they are the ones who provide the information to the paper. For example, when I was a reporter for a daily, my beat was crime. Every morning at 5:30, I would go down to the county cop shop and get a list of the crimes that were committed in that county in the last 24 hours. Then I would go down to the city cop shop and do the same. These crimes were committed in the city limits of the town in which I was in. I would then write them up in a log form, similar to this one.

So, please show me an instance where a newspaper would publish a birth announcement from another country in its daily log.

[dysfunctional press]

57. out-of-state marriage and death announcements are often carried in local papers...

when someone who used to live in the area dies or gets married, they'll often run an announcement to let friends know about it.

btw- i have no doubts about obama's citizenship- i'm just pointing out that an announcement in a paper is not proof of where someone was born, unless as is often done- they are listed by hospital, which isn't the case with the announcement linked in the op.

[ellie]

59. Not in the paper's log they don't run them

These items come from whatever department in the city or county compiles the information. These are not wedding announcements or obituaries that would be paid for. In the Toledo Blade, once a year, parents can pay for a birth announcement that includes a photo. The listing of births in the OP is not like that so the births listed in that log occurred where the paper was published. Do you understand that? That is how we know where the children listed in this log were born where this paper was published.

I am not sure how much clearer I can make myself. Have you not ever read a paper before? Here is the log from the Toledo Blade:

Today's log: 07-16

Births
Bay Park Community Hospital
Ashley Kille, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Regina Ruiz, Toledo, girl, July 14.
Flower Hospital
Kati and Kyle Hunt, Perrysburg, girl, July 13.
Nikki and John Hatfield, Maumee, boy, July 14.
St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center
Anita and Shailendra Sharma, Toledo, boy, July 12.
Robbie Sattler, Toledo, boy, July 13.
Jennifer and Bradley Cresswell, Temperance, boy, July 13.
Toledo Hospital
Elizabeth Bennett, Toledo, girl, July 14.
Jasmine Stallworth, Toledo, girl, July 14.
Lori and Shane Hein, Lyons, Ohio, girl, July 14.
Kristina Irwin, Swanton, girl, July 14.

Marriage licenses
Lucas County
July 14, 2009
Mohamed Smaidi, 30, business analyst, and Safaa Abdouni, 27, both of Oregon.
Michael Urban, 26, factory worker, and Melissa Griffith, 29, both of Toledo.
Nicholas Schell, 28, sales, and Jennifer Gray, 25, nurse, both of Monclova.
Robert Giltz, 24, cab driver, and Megan Mehling, 24, Army Reserve, both of Toledo.
Jarman Kilgore, 31, technician, and Dessie Sawyer, 31, utility worker, both of Toledo.
Victor Burkhart, 24, teacher, of Trenton, Ohio, and Staci Joseph, 23, student, of Waterville.


In the Blade, they list the hospital and city. The Toledo area encompasses several suburbs and outlying areas so that is why add that information.

[dysfunctional press]

60. most papers carry the hospital info.

obama's birth announcement isn't associated with any hospital.

btw- how do you know for a fact what the policy was in honolulu in 1961 regarding the carrying of birth announcements in the paper, and how they are submitted?

[ellie]

63. Because at the top

of the column it says "Health Bureau Statistics." These are statistics from the Health Bureau from wherever this paper is published. That is how I know. This is something newspapers have always done and continue to do. It is public information.

[dysfunctional press]

66. it also has marriages listed under the same header...

does the health bureau publish the wedding announcements as well?

[ellie]

79. Yes, they do

publish marriage licenses, births and deaths.

Here is the log from today's Toledo Blade. There are births and marriage licenses:

Births
Flower Hospital
Lori and Ryan Mathia, Luckey, Ohio, girl, July 13.
Nikki and John Hatfield, Maumee, boy, July 14.
Janae and the Rev. Mylan Welborn, Toledo, girl, July 13.
Sarah Heilman, Toledo, boy, July 14.
Rita Fink, Northwood, boy, July 14.
St. Charles Mercy Hospital
Mary and Thomas Kozakiewicz, Perrysburg, boy, July 12.
Laura Stewart, Toledo, boy, July 13.
Christie and Jeffrey Boyle, Perrysburg, July 13.
Marcella Guerra, Toledo, boy, July 14.
Toledo Hospital
Patricia and Paul Coutcher, Oak Harbor, girl, July 15.
Heather and Ryan Snyder, Toledo, boy, July 15.
Danielle Gibson, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Jerri and Matthew Hoffmann, Perrysburg, boy, July 15.
Alicia and Tom Pruss, Toledo, boy, July 15.
Angela Miller, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Shantia Hadley, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Maria and Jose Becerra, Toledo, boy, July 15.
Danielle and Lance Lycourt, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Tina Ware, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Leslie and Timothy Paben, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Kari Morgan, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Michelle and Christopher Sullivan, Toledo, twin girls, July 16.
Nicole and Michael Knight, Toledo, boy, July 15.
Crystal English, Toledo, girl, July 15.
Tina and Robert Toth, Rossford, girl, July 16.
Kinsi Mohamed and Adam Hashi, Sylvania, girl, July 15.

Marriage licenses
Lucas County
July 15, 2009
Patrick Benner, 37, carpenter, and Laura Halpin, 28, self employed, both of Toledo.
James Luce, 22, delivery driver, and Leah Shook, 19, both of Toledo.
Lee Zielinski, 27, assembly worker, and Renelie Malabanan, 34, factory worker, both of Toledo.
Martin Ellis, 26, technical support specialist, and Sally Habusta, 25, paralegal, both of Toledo.
Brian St. Aubin, 24, sales associate, and Jessica Dimit, 24, student, both of Toledo.
Montrese Smith, 28, and Lyndsay Williams, 25, collections, both of Toledo.
Nathan Schank, 32, account executive, and Ashley Schroeder, 27, bar manager, both of Maumee.
Gabriel Perez, 41, food service worker, and Vickie Elizondo, 51, telemarketing, both of Toledo.
Todd Boak, 26, marketing manager, and Kerri Hauman, 25, teacher, both of Toledo.
Christopher Ramsey, 22, self employed, of Maumee, and Susanna Evans, 23, student, of Toledo.
Jay Jenkins, 49, sales, and Jean Hosinski, 44, sales, both of Sylvania.

[Polemicist]

72. Unless said newpaper has suspicious propotional fonts...

That were simply not available on newspaper printing presses in 1961 in Hawaii.

Game, Set, and match to freeperville high.

[KingFlorez]

48. Why wouldn't?

These announcements are for residents of a particular area, it's not like they throw out random birth announcements from around the world.

[Name removed]

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[dysfunctional press]

58. if somebody lived in the area, and then moved away they could still carry an announcement.

it happens quite regularly when people who move away and die or get married- their local paper will carry an announcement or obituary.
and- in our local paper, births are listed by hospital- that isn't the case with the ad in the op.

[LanternWaste]

56. Self-delete...

Self-delete...

[POAS]

62. But this isn't the same as

a family self publishing a birth announcement. It is an official listing from the Health Department of all births and deaths. The local health department would have no reason to publish a Kenyan birth.

[dysfunctional press]

68. why would the health department be responsible for listing marriages?

:shrug:

[POAS]

73. Back in the day

couples applying for a marriage license had to provide medical tests proving that didn't have VD to the health departments of many local jurisdictions. This may explain it.

[dysfunctional press]

75. so if someone had vd, they'd print it in the paper?

[POAS]

78. No but they wouldn't get a marriage license and

hence no announcement.

[graywarrior]

20. They don't believe the truth.

They only believe lies. The live in Bizarro world.

[zulchzulu]

23. Space aliens were in charge of the paper then and Satan was the Editor

They wanted to call it the Honolulu End Times Gazette before Barack Obama, a two day old child, walked to the newspaper headquarters and fired the staff... and vaporized them like flies.

You know where this is going...

:crazy:

[OnyxCollie]

34. "Honolulu End Times Gazette"

LOL!:rofl:

[AzNick]

33. 6085 kalanianaole highway honolulu hi

Funny, as soon as I started typed the address in Google, it came up in auto-completion, probably because it is looked up a lot.

There are probably worse places to grow up.

Here is the Google Map for you:

http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1C1GGLS_en-USUS297US303&sourceid=chrome&q=6085+kalanianaole+highway+honolulu+hi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=K6VeSofdA4rCMKSfta4C&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1

[bleever]

37. "SERVICE ANYONE?"

That is an historical document: the 44th president's birth announced, along with tradespeople's and service workers' notices of their businesses.

:patriot:

[Touchdown]

38. Al Gore invented birth certificates.

...and earth tones for baby's blankets.

[mp9200]

40. The right-wingers amaze me

At being such pathetic losers.

[Vinca]

43. The "Way Back Machine." That explains it.

:rofl:

[AngryAmish]

49. Hawaii isn't a state

Next birfur argument.

[mitchum]

50. But what about the typeface??!!11 I'm SERIES!1!!

[RepublicanElephant]

52. birther: "car rentals for $5 a day?! this paper is obviously a fake!!!" nt

?

[Bennyboy]

54. OMFG! Luaua's are only $2.50!!!!!(N/T)

[frogmarch]

61. Flat-earthers deny evidence that

the world isn't flat, and the "birthers" are just as stubborn with regards to President Obama being a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

Let the fools show their stupidity to the world. The more they carry on, the worse they look.

[HughMoran]

69. It's actually an August 13, 1961 paper

...and it says Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, NOT B. Obama. There's a huge difference between B. Obama and Barack H Obama.

If we're dealing with facts here, couldn't you at least transcribe anything factual from the article??

[Ganja Ninja]

74. Obviously Jesus took out this ad to test your faith.

Just like he planted the dinosaur fossils 6,000 years ago.

[BR_Parkway]

76. Oh c'mon - if they can fake it to look like we actually put men on the moon

then this would have been easy to forge


















I was so tempted to leave this :sarcasm: tag off, but too often before, some just don't get it

[themaguffin]

77. unfotunately

the facts are already out there and they continue with their propaganda. it would be nice for the media to expose them for the crazy fringe that they are.

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