"Our Gay Brothers And Sisters, Still Taunted, Still Attacked, Still Denied Their Rights"

[No Passaran]

President's NAACP speech (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/16/obama-naacp-speahc-live-v_n_236760.html

[Cha]

1. THank you, Pres Obama and

No Passaran.

[No Passaran]

2. thanks

I think the whole speech where he talked about tolerance for all Americans, is the reason I'm reminding myself why I voted for this man

[grantcart]

23. +1

[jenmito]

3. I LOVED his speech-ESPECIALLY that part and the others where

he spoke about things most or all other presidents avoid.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

4. Oh Noes! Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is a HOMOPHOBE!! I should have voted for Hillary!

She's not homophobic like Obama! :sarcasm:

[Divine Discontent]

5. then please do something about it, Mr. President. eom

[FrenchieCat]

6. He's about to wave his wand and make everything bad go away....

He will overturn laws on the US books with a single bound.

[HopeOverFear]

7. it's a bird, it's a plane...it's...

SUPER-OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cha]

8. That's what some people

must think he's capable of the way they're relentlessly complaining.

[FrenchieCat]

9. When he doesn't say what folks want him to say, then they are mad because he didn't say this,

or because he said this or that.

When he says what should be said, then it's something else.

[mitchtv]

10. and they intend to continue complaining

sorry bout that

[Cha]

12. Yeah, of course, you are..because

who else are you going to blame for yourself?

[boppers]

11. He won't just change law by waving his hands...

He'll also change the constitution, society, and everybody who disagrees with him.

He's just plain that badass.

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[ruggerson]

15. "still taunted, still attacked"

he's talking to YOU.

[mtnester]

28. +1

[FrenchieCat]

27. I beg your pardon?

I was responding to one particular poster reply only.

[ruggerson]

14. Y'all sound completely dishonest when you launch into that shit

The man campaigns (hard) for healthcare. He cajoles Lyndon Johnson style and lobbies for legislation that he wants to show up on his desk. His staff WRITES legislation and sends it down to the Hill.

These are all GOOD things.

But everytime it comes to doing something for gay folks, you all launch into this fucked up routine about how the Executive can't do anything, Congress has to do it all. He isn't superman. STop whining.

Do you even begin to comprehend how condescending and patronizing you sound?

I'm tired of throwaway one liners in the occasional speech that you all ooh and ahh over as if what he's saying is God's gift to GLBT voters. It's one line in a speech, for chrissakes.

Have our back for once. For real. Your routine is getting old.

[ruggerson]

16. and that wasn't meant to pick on

Frenchie - it was addressed to everyone in this thread who pulls the same old fucked up routine everytime someone prods Obama on anything remotely related to gay issues.

[Divine Discontent]

17. so that's who 'ignored' is. well, I for one got tired of hearing her rail against GLBTers

for being upset. President Obama can do all this other stuff (you mentioned plenty of it), but they all want us to STFU about GLBT rights... in fact - I think that's what many of them see when they see GLBT ---- STFU.

I have been made a believer by cboy4, I used to disagree a bit with his anger over the situation of our treatment by the administration, but the more I read what he & others said, and watched the inaction by the president, and listened to their excuses on THIS issue (GLBT rights), I realized there's plenty of reasons why I'm unhappy with our new Admin.


The prob is, they've been used to shoving us under the bus for decades, they don't get why we won't do it anymore!


Get used to it folks - and have our backs on GLBT rights and help us get the SAME RIGHTS YOU ALL HAVE IN LIFE!

[No Passaran]

18. In your opinion

What is the first step President needs to do about that? What's next after that? How does the process of getting these rights work at the federal level?

I'm just really interested because I do feel for you and stand behind you 100%. I don't think the President is to blame for this when his Speaker and Majority Leader often buck him on issues.

[Divine Discontent]

19. hi!

well, since he's the CIC of the military, and he's very persuasive and likable, and arguably gives the best speeches any of us have ever seen - why is it that he cannot prepare a major speech at a fort somewhere - commending some of the bravest people in our military's history who are still living who happen to be GLBT - tell a short snippet like presidents do in SOTU speeches about them, and then talk about, with the generals there, why it is important that we understand that one's braveness and duty is not relegated to what goes on in our private lives.

He also could ask military lawyers to draw up (and I'm not expert at all, just throwing ideas out) military guidelines showing the history of the GLBT soldiers who have changed things for the better in the military, and deem it an attack on the country if anyone tries to keep an American from serving his or her country based on specifics about their race, sexuality, gender, etc.

He is capable of many things at once, we all are! He seems very likable and intelligent and I want to believe he supports those people he's literally fired from their job as the CIC of the military, for their being Gay... I know the argument is that it holds more weight if Congress does it - well what if Congress is a bunch of cowards on it? Did that stop FDR or LBJ from doing big things that changed the course of the US? I'm no expert, like I said, but I can't believe this is the best he can do.

[Prism]

25. He needs to use his stop-loss powers on DADT

Especially now that it seems DADT may very well http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x142508">be delayed.

This is a small step, it's utterly within his sole power to do, and he could implement it tomorrow if he wanted to.

It isn't about wanting everything at once. No one believes that is within the President's power. The ire of the LGBT community is not born of not having everything. It's about movement, direction, tangible progress. If we were reassured that this President was doing all he could to progress our issues, you wouldn't see a fifth of the criticism President Obama is receiving.

The President gives good speech, but those speeches only go so far before acts are required. We have reached the stage where significant actions are the only thing that will communicate to the community that the President means what he says. Actions are the only things that can telegraph to us that we are indeed moving in the right direction.

[FrenchieCat]

22. I'm sorry, but I must have missed something.

Cause it appears that everytime the President brings up Gay issues, he gets bashed for it. See, that's how I see it.

As for something being done, does anyone really like anything done unless its directly related to getting rid of DOMA and DADT? http://www.insidebayarea.com/latest-associated-press/ci_12855493

[mtnester]

29. The first bashing in this thread was not from those who are still without full civil rights or their

supporters. The first bashing replies live on for everyone to see who went first.

Now let me go push my "that was easy" button

[mtnester]

30. The first bashing in this thread was not from those who are still without full civil rights or their

supporters. The first bashing replies live on for everyone to see who went first.

[Prism]

20. The President was talking to you

Is the music at the party so loud that the President's words simply do not carry when he chides people for their attitudes towards LGBT people?

You, Frenchie. The President was talking to you.

[FrenchieCat]

21. I'm sorry, but what is my attitude towards LGBT people?

Please be frank and be specific....
and let it be known that you are talking out of your ass.

[Prism]

24. Condescending, patronizing, disingenuous, taunting

I do find the disconnect strange, that so many people who count themselves among the President's fiercest supporters seem to always be out of the room when he tells the LGBT community that it is not up to him or others to tell us to be patient, that constantly attacking and demeaning us for the galling act of asking for civil rights is not right.

Yet, here we are, again and again, thread after thread.

Sometimes I think President Obama is unnecessary. People don't seem to listen to him. I think they're simply all about what role he's filling for that particular supporter. He could've been anyone.

Because you and others are certainly not listening to a word this man says.

[FrenchieCat]

26. I'm still looking for examples from you to back up your personal attack

on me specifically.

If you want to generalize, that's one thing,
cause I can't and don't speak for anyone else you might have in mind
when you refer to the President's fierce supporters.....
but here, you have called me out by name.

What I believe is that LGBT need their equal rights, period.
And I believe that we have to make the President and those who have the power
do it......however, I don't believe that shitting on everything he says
about the LGBT community, especially when it is a good thing what he is saying,
is the way to go.

So do an advance search on my name,
and pull those quotes out of mine where I am saying negatives toward the
LGBT community which is what you are accusing me of.
Otherwise, from where I sit, you are the one are the one constantly attacking and demeaning
me.

[Prism]

31. That's easy, it's in this very thread with your original reply

You know very well the LGBT community does not believe anyone has a magic wand. No one said so, no one asked for it. Furthermore, you know very well the ire of the community is not directed towards the President because we do not have "everything". The discontent stems from not having anything thus far in this administration.

Yet, when the LGBT community complains about Rick Warren, a man who is directly responsible for spreading the ex-gay nonsense that leads to depression and suicide in gay youth, it's called poutrage and overblown. When it complains about an ill-advised DOMA brief, the community is told it's no big deal or not the administration's responsibility. When we ask for one action the president can do, using stop-loss to halt discharges while legislation stalls in Congress, lies are forwarded about the President's ability to do it, and he is defended while the LGBTers are shouted down and mocked for expecting anything whatsoever from our President.

Look at your words and attitudes in this very thread. We complain there is a lack of movement, only words reflecting the President's progress on LGBT issues. Your instinct is to mock, to miscategorize what we're asking for, to dismiss and belittle our concern for our rights and our equality.

You believe LGBTers need their equal rights? Sounds to me like you're far more worried about our President's public relations than whether or not a powerless minority in this country is treated like second-class citizens while the President does the very least amount possible.

Advocates for equality do not support the soft homophobia of defending inaction.

You do.

[DevonRex]

36. Whoa. That was totally uncalled for. nt

[Prism]

37. I apologize for not sitting there politely and taking it.

We can be mocked joyously, openly, an object of great fun.

But say so, and that's simply uncalled for.

Interesting priorities.

[cboy4]

38. +1

:applause:

[Forkboy]

35. Read your first reply and wake the fuck up.

[Forkboy]

34. "Still taunting, still attacking."

[VMI Dem]

32. Moral objection to gay marriage is still homophobic.

Many people do not like to face this fact.

[Orsino]

33. And their president still says they shouldn't be allowed to marry.

Go with that thought, Mr. President.