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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:34 PM Original message |
It's Time to Have an Honest Debate on Affirmative Action |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Rec'd n/t |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. So the debate to date hasn't been honest? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. The day white folks, as an aggregate, are honest about anything race-related... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. amen. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. +1 |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. yeah because all white people must think the same way, as must all black, brown etc etc |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm very sorry you don't know what the phrase "as an aggregate" means. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. yeah i do, i just think that there is a lot of white folks tone to a lot of your posts |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. lol. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. exactly, and some of those intolerant people may gasp have different coloured skin |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Absolutely... |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. rofl again, i didnt see that coming touche |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
87. Hear, hear!! |
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rowena (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
98. You do realize |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. (shrug) Just call me a race-traitor and be done with it. You bore me. |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. The day white folks, [...] - wow, that's a bullshit remark |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yes, of course... |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. rofl, im still intrigued by this group called white folks, im wondering if im part of it |
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rowena (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
99. Yeah... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Selective snipping is funny. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
43. I think I'm beginning to love you. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:04 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Don't worry. It wears off soon. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I saw him first. |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Why are half the sisters on DU fighting over Bloo?! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. lolz! I prefer to think of it as Rationalilty Essence... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. lol Chocolate Rationality |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. I've noticed that, too. But I don't mind . . . |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
86. Bad taste? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Considering you are not a sister, why did you feel the need to respond? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Aren't you the one who liked the Obama sock monkey? |
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angee_is_mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
69. Me2 |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. lol Somehow this has turned into the **Sistas Heart BlooinBloo** thread |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. It's not going to happen, but I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
96. Word. +1 |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. Good luck. |
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lilytea (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. Lalala |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Is this part of a fundraising drive or something? |
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lilytea (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. maybe,it's a secret |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yup.....need more tea bags and poster boards. n/t |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
11. Did you forget where you are? It's more like the Oppression Olympics here. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
13. I applaud the effort, Bullet1987... |
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Renaissance Man (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. Until misconceptions about Affirmative Action die... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
78. It doesn't surprise me in the least. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
18. an honest debate What's to debate? |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
51. +1 |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. I agree DURHAM D |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. We DO have a quota system where I work |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That sounds like a company (or institutional) configuration. |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I didn't say it was government imposed. But it is a quota system. nt |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Not in this context. nt |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Not in this context what? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Maybe you should review the OP - particularly the last paragraph. nt |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Okay. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Sorry but I don't really buy the "grievance" as you state it. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Any company that has to fire white people to implement "affirmative action" |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. On affirmative action. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. It's precisely as "unnatural" as the 100s of years of affirmative action for white folks... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I agree. n/t. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. To Gorfle... |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. I believe it was Pukecannon's boss Dick Nixon who signed into law many |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
53. He did - over Buchanan's strenuous objections. |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
37. honest debate is unlikely |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. So because you applied together and he got in and you didn't |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. It's whack-a-mole month. Don't get too excited. |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
100. After further research: |
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Lilyeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 05:32 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. You totally read my mind. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. I'll bet plenty of white people whose "arses" you kicked "in every single aspect of everything" also |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. so wait |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. You're actually demonstrating my point |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Thank You! |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Quite right |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. You are absolutely correct. But this phenomenon is not a new one . . . |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. The result of Bacon's Rebellion |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:08 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. That is simply a fantastic post |
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Lilyeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Your post reminds me of a cartoon. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. EXACTLY! That's fabulous! |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
75. logics not your strong point here... |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 01:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. In fact, logic IS my strong suit - and that's why I see right through your arguments |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. err. right |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. That you fail to see the point made does not mean it was not in fact made. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Your point is an interesting one and highlights another anti-affirmative action fallacy |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'd like to see our society's inequities addressed at the root. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
81. Forget those crazy thoughts, you crazy dude. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
45. Something my father once said: "Affirmative action is another form of political racism." |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
47. I think affirmative action is slowly but surely becoming something that won't be needed... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
48. *****STATISTICALLY MORE WHITE WOMEN HAVE BENEFITTED FROM AA THAN BLACKS**** |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Which means white people got more out of affirmative |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Kinda like how white people got more out of welfare |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Reagan sealed the deal... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. thank *you*! |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. Finally. Ugh, people have even said it's more White males. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
68. A peculiar thing about affirmative action is,.... |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
85. Great point |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
88. You're right. The SCOTUS struck down the use of Quotas in hiring/admission practices. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. We do have a racial quota in this country |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Sure we do, in practice. It's always been that way. It's a double standard. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Another example |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. That larger issue is why MSNBC allows a known bigot to continue on as a commentator. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. He's the sacrificial lamb for white folks - he allows us to claim with a straight face... |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:57 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. I don't use this word often but DAMN that is an "awesome" point |
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