Will the birther fringe get to the point that it makes a second campaign run doubtful?

[CK_John]

I think it will become a major problem, because it's like trying to prove a negative.

Added to any other major problem like high unemployment, it could be a show stopper.

[jody]

1. Now you've done it, agitated the piranha and they're coming for you. n/t

[saltpoint]

2. The birthers are a teensy percentage of a dwindling, regional

political entity.

Their legal efforts against Obama are being tossed out of courts.

The media is mostly ignoring them.

Voters don't give a hoot.

In the last hours of Nixon's presidency, Congressman Earl Landgrebe was still extolling Nixon's unlimited virtues. There are always going to be a few rightwing nutbags howling from the South 40.

Obama cruises to re-election.

[rockymountaindem]

3. You're crazy if you're worried about that.

That's the last thing you need to think about.

[denem]

4. "Birthers"? I question your sanity.

[CK_John]

9. Thank you for your concern. I have medicare. n/t

[gauguin57]

5. Oh boy ... here we go ...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. I think you're giving those nut jobs entirely too much influence...

I do not see this happening.

They are a fringe movement, and for a very good reason: Most normal folk have long ago accepted the validity of Obama's birth certificate.

These guys are a minority.

And they will stay that way.

[Adelante]

7. Not at all

Birtherism is a wedge issue that breaks their party apart. If the GOP doesn't crack down on this, they'll be in even worse shape than they are today.

[nevergiveup]

8. Have you ever heard of the "Flat Earth Society"?

When this society starts making headlines on the evening national news then you can start worrying about birthers. Birthers are the extreme fringe. They ain't going nowhere.

[CK_John]

10. If I had a national radio audience for 15hr a week would it make a difference. n/t

[nevergiveup]

12. Not really

There are plenty of nut-jobs with national radio audiences. It is more entertainment than anything else.

[Joe Bacon]

11. Buzz Aldrin meets Flat Earther!

I love playing this over and aver again where a world class asshole confronts Buzz Aldrin. Mr. Aldrin's answer is priceless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

[MUAD_DIB]

16. HAHAHAHA! I never had heard about that! Great for Mr. Aldrin.

[Stephanie]

64. That's fantastic

:hi:

[CJCRANE]

13. Um..what's with the ersatz Fox News talking points?

:shrug:

Is it "Fox News Sunday" today on DU?

:silly:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

14. Get to the point where OBAMA wouldn't run for a second term? Are you high?

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[ellie]

22. Hahahahahahaha!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[MUAD_DIB]

17. I don't believe that it will be any kind of problem. If you're worried about the

Rat-Phuck GOPyg nut jobs and their smear campaign (that has been debunked how many times already?), that the SCOTUS won't even touch due to its lack of merit then what other pollution that these miscreants think up, and I use that term loosely, makes you scared?

[KansasVoter]

18. Do yourself a favor and self delete. Also, drinking so early is bad for you!!!

[CK_John]

21. Don't drink and quit smoking last Dec after 55 yrs. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

45. I suggest you start drinking, immediately.

It might balance out what the voices in your head are telling you.

[City Lights]

19. No. nt

[ksoze]

20. Put down crack pipe, turn off computer, send kids to sitter, seek help.

[Cali_Democrat]

23. No.

If anything, it will hurt the GOP.

[Mrs. Overall]

24. What has given rise the past few days to these "Obama isn't going to run for a 2nd term" threads?

Trying to sow seeds of doubt? Fail.

[kestrel91316]

25. Nah. Anybody with half a brain knows that a CERTIFIED COPY

of a birth record is legal proof. Obama knows morans when he sees them, and he won't abandon his goal because morans exist.

The birthers just look witless the more they push this.

[MadBadger]

26. This thread isnt surprising at all.

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. I stand by my former statement. You need to stop or be stopped! (nt)

:crazy:

[Cali_Democrat]

LOL...I thought that photo was pretty damn funny actually.

nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. Me too, but we have such delicate sensibilities among those who can dish it out...

but can't take it.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Wut?

Seriously, stop talking, because you're not making sense.

[Catshrink]

29. Simply ask the birthers to produce their own birth certificate

and compare the information there to that on Obama's. The info is pretty standard, from what I gather reading other posts. Challange the birthers on their own citizenship.

It won't go away. Orly Taitz is making too much money on this from the limpic brains who believe it and until that source of cash dries up, this birther crap will be with us. Follow the money.

[SoFlaJet]

30. The idiots who espouse this theory

are just that, idiots and are generally laughed at by 80% of the population.

[Arkana]

31. The birthers are approximately 8% of the country.

And that 8 percent would never ever ever ever ever vote for Obama anyway because they think black people are sneaky (or whatever the fuck).

To answer your question, no. Obama will run for, and most likely win, a second term.

[DevonRex]

32. What is your fucking problem? nt

[BlueMTexpat]

33. If the birther fringe ever gets to the point of being a show stopper as you put it,

then the USA as I know and love it will no longer exist. No sane person takes these fringe nutjobs seriously. But I have to wonder about the motives of those who keep raising the issue here.

If this is an issue that you believe is a major problem, you should first try turning off Rush and Faux and follow-up by not focusing on the freepers. If you're still having symptoms, take two aspirin and go to bed. Try listening to some soothing music and relax.

And please, stay off DU until you no longer feel compelled to type "birther" headlines.

President Barack Obama is a natural-born US citizen, no matter how crazy the B-people get or how strident they become. There is apparently no use trying to discuss the facts and the law with them because they simply will not accept any conclusion other than the one they want.

That's all she wrote.

[hileeopnyn8d]

35. This is an excellent point -

"If the birther fringe ever gets to the point of being a show stopper as you put it,
then the USA as I know and love it will no longer exist."

[DevonRex]

37. A few days ago it was trying to stir up Hillary BS. Now it's birther BS.

I don't think we have to wonder about the motives anymore.

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. Ding! Ding! Ding! (nt)

[CakeGrrl]

48. They're upping the ante: instead of suggesting that Biden step down so that

Hillary can be VP, they're going whole-hog. Let's just wonder if the President himself will pack it in so that we can turn over the reins to...you know who!

:rofl:

:crazy:

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. I wish I could rec this post x1000. Thank you. (nt)

[CakeGrrl]

36. They're getting to you, eh?

Who's YOUR candidate for 2012? That seems to be the question of the weekend, as a few people seem to be convincing themselves that the President will just not be able to muster the steam to run again.

Maybe this is the expected outcome for a site established to band against the opposition party when their own party regains the mantle of power.

I just know I wouldn't want some fair weather types around here to have my back in a serious situation!

:rofl:

[creeksneakers2]

38. The birthers might be more visible in 2012

But they won't be taken seriously. Birtherism is the only right wing kook uproar that the media actually treats with appropriate disdain.

High unemployment might be a problem though. So would any significant tax increase on the middle and lower classes.

[blogslut]

39. ...

[Mz Pip]

40. why would Obama not run

for a second term based on the suspicions of what a handful of idiots led by Alan Keyes and Oily Tights believe.

If anything these people will help him.

The other issues, like the war, health care and the economy will play a far more significant role.

[TexasObserver]

43. No. Only a handful of loonies think of it as more than a bad joke.

There's the crazies on the right and a handful of whiners on the left who care about the story, and those two groups already won't vote for Obama.

[JFKfanforever]

53. Huge Obama Fan, but (sadly) agree with Lou Dobbs

Dobbs' radio show

During his radio program, Dobbs stated: "[S]hould he
produce his birth certificate -- the long form, the real deal?
Should he be a little more forthcoming? ... What is the deal
here? I'm starting to think we have a -- we have a document
issue. Do you suppose he's un -- no, I won't even use the word
undocumented. It wouldn't be right."

Dobbs later stated that when examining the birth certificate
issue, at first he "thought, 'Here we go with the lunatic
fringe. This is a bunch of quackeroos going after him.' "
However, Dobbs said he now believes that there are "some
issues here that should be really resolved" with Obama's
birth certificate.

During his program, Dobbs repeatedly faulted Obama for what he
said was Obama's failure to definitively answer questions
raised about his birth certificate:

    * Dobbs stated: "The first thing is to determine
whether or not his birth certificate is valid. And what I
don't understand is why that has not been released and given
over to the public record."

    * After a caller said "something doesn't smell
right" with Obama, Dobbs said that the "way to get
rid of those odors is always just open the windows and let the
sun shine in. And all we need here is a doggone document, but
for some reason the president doesn't want to release
that."

    * Dobbs said that in contrast to efforts undertaken by
Sen. John McCain "to determine that he met the standard
of natural-born citizen," there is "absolutely, you
know, no effort to do so on the part of Barack H. Obama. Nor,
as also our callers have pointed out, this president would not
release his medical records. And the national media seemed to
be fine with that, whereas they probably would have
eviscerated John McCain for failing to do so."

    * After a caller theorized that Obama is rushing through
programs because Obama "knows what's coming" with
regard to the birth certificate lawsuits, Dobbs said:
"Certainly your view can't be discounted at this point,
because this president refused to provide the documentation
that would settle all of the controversy here."

    * After a caller said she initially thought the birth
certificate controversy was "the dumbest thing
ever," Dobbs replied:

    DOBBS: Well, it is a dumb thing. I think we have to all
admit this is a dumb thing either way, because, I mean, I
can't understand why the president wouldn't just move to get
this stuff out of the way. Show the documents, get it done --
I mean, he -- think about it.

Dobbs also claimed that a soldier questioning Obama's
citizenship "should be taken seriously. There are real
questions here that need to be answered" and
"reasonable people should be interested" in the
birth certificate issue:

    DOBBS: I mean, because I got to be honest with everybody.
When I started looking at this and the lawsuit -- Orly Taitz
his attorney, for Major Cook, when he -- you know, I thought
this is kind of peculiar. But I thought we should find out
what's going on because, you know, it's a lawsuit -- a major
who is -- he is, by the way, a combat veteran. Some people in
the media have called him a coward; they are fools for doing
so. But they're fools, anyway; it isn't this one instance that
makes them fools.

    This is a man who should be taken seriously. There are
real questions here that need to be answered. And people talk
about, quote-unquote, the lunatic fringe are the only ones
interested in this, and it turns out that reasonable people
should be interested, and reasonable -- excuse me --
reasonable minds have to understand what's going on. And this
can be dismissed with one -- the production of one simple
little document, and that's a birth certificate. It's
extraordinary.

[Ikonoklast]

66. Fuck Lou Dobbs, and anyone that carries water for him.

Obama has produced a lawful copy of his birth certificate, accepted by every state in the Union, and ruled by legal experts as genuine.

END OF STORY.

[TexasObserver]

67. I'm not confused by the gibberish Dobbs says about this.

No one with any serious legal knowledge gives the issue any thought.

First and foremost, the time to bring a challenge to a candidacy on the basis of eligibility for office is prior to the election. It has to be done in each state, and the challenge would be considered by the courts of each state. A ruling for or against having Obama's name on the ballot would occur, and that ruling would be subject to appellate review.

Second, once the election takes place, and more importantly, once the electoral college votes, the time to challenge candidate eligibility is long gone. Once that occurs, courts are not going to entertain any challenge to Obama's presidency on the basis of the alleged birth issues because there is no longer any justiciable controversy, a prerequisite for maintaining a case. Further, they will consider it a political matter, and therefore not subject to judicial review.

I will conclude by asking why are you watching or listening to Lou Dobbs, probably one of the biggest morons on all of television?

[NoPasaran]

44. I suppose Palin might be so embarrassed by the craziness of her base

That she'd abandon her campaign, but I doubt it

[jberryhill]

46. That's why I loves me some birthers

They cause trouble for the drum majors of the crazy parade.

[Sebastian Doyle]

47. Aren't you the guy who "guaranteed" Melinda Gates would be Obama's vice president?

Dude, level with us.... you write for The Onion, right?

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[TexasObserver]

68. That's way out of line.

And FYI, if you are going to call someone names and imply they lack intelligence, it's probably best to learn the difference between "your" and "you're."

[masuki bance]

50. Does anybody have a link to a birther/truther combo dude? thx. nt

[Forkboy]

52. Sounds like something on the Wendy's menu.

:)

[Forkboy]

51. No. Next?

[BlooInBloo]

54. Their DUer allies are funny.

[Milspec]

55. No,

[DrToast]

56. Crazier: Birthers or this post?

[alcibiades_mystery]

60. CK_John is an Obama hater from way back

He has no judgment or credibility at all. Foolish OP, but that goes without saying from this guy.

[jenmito]

57. Only in your dreams. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

59. Did the questions on the death of Vince Foster

hurt Clinton's re-election bid?

Didn't think so. :eyes:

[Jennicut]

61. Nope. In fact nothing that was thrown at Clinton stuck.

I highly doubt this is an issue in mainstream America right now. Its only discussed among the fringe and those of us disgusted with that fringe.

[HughMoran]

62. Holy shit! I just realized that I might die tomorrow!

OMG!

[billyoc]

63. Stop and think about what you're saying.

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[TexasObserver]

69. Come on, don't do that.

I know the poster is annoying in his criticism of Obama, but he's not a freeper, and even if he were, you can't do that.

[treestar]

70. It didn't hurt the first election

By 2012 Obama will have a record to run on.