If McCain had won, would DUers who don't like President Obama be wishing he had won instead?

[Deja Q]

OUR President has done far more good than anything questionable or otherwise and maybe, just maybe, there might be valid reasons for his choices we might not agree with.

Just a thought, which is probably more productive than all the tinfoil hat theories...

Oh well.

[LAGC]

1. I don't think anyone here wanted to see Bush's third term.

But if you set the bar so low (McCain) then ANYTHING to the left of that is better. Doesn't mean we can't still hold Obama's feet to the fire and urge him to swing more to the left...

[FrenchieCat]

5. You are correct in terms of holding this President's feet to the fire.....

as appropriate, based on the issue. However, what we may not want to do just yet is burn his feet, cause that will make it that much harder for him to walk.

He says "Make him do it"....he didn't say, Hate and deride me for it and give me no credit for what I do that is good.

[Cha]

38. That wasn't the question..

And, Obama is a 180 from bush.

[izquierdista]

2. Of course

Just like half a glass of water after a long trek in the desert is better than no water at all.

[Better Believe It]

20. You will die with only half a glass of water in the desert! But, that's better than dying!

?????

[FreakinDJ]

3. We would not know - DU would be "Outlawed" under Patriot Act III

[Buzz Clik]

4. Many of those who toss out the sarcastic, "Change you can believe in"...

... are only happy when they are politically miserable. They have an agenda that won't be realized, and they like it that way.

[elocs]

9. Yes, there are a good number here who do not seem to be happy unless they are politically miserable.

They are certainly never satisfied and no matter how much good is done or how much blood is squeezed out of a rock it is not good enough for them. They are quick with the criticism and short on the praise. It must be a real treat to be their spouse, significant other, or kid.

[liquid diamond]

29. Spot fucking on. That sums up the constant bitching here despite

having a democrat in office.

[BobRossi]

6. No. We would be wishing a Dem had won.

Not a DLC lackey.

[Cirque du So-What]

7. McAnus is a DLC lackey?

Hooda thunk it?!?

[SeattleGirl]

8. I think he was referring to Obama

[Cirque du So-What]

Apparently, I need to use that 'sarcasm' smiley more often

I'm just not accustomed to seeing such blatant vitriol directed toward our President - especially at a place called Democratic Underground. You'd think it was primary season or something!

I think I'll make like a puma and skedaddle back behind the boulders before some stones get cast in my direction.

[Mrs. Overall]

10. Are you Dino Rossi's brother?

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. That's a horrible thing to ask someone!

And frankly, even if he was, you think he would admit it? :rofl:

[Cha]

39. The fuck

you know.

[Mrs. Overall]

11. I'm willing to give Obama more time to clean up this mess.

Change on a massive scale (and that is what we need) doesn't happen over night nor does it happen in six months.

[izquierdista]

24. And in due course, you will be saying 6 years isn't enough

We need Berlin Wall coming down kind of change; breakup of the Soviet Union kind of change. That's the kind of change required to take the half-a-trillion defense budget and spend it on the citizens instead of shoveling it at defense contractors. That's the kind of change required to close 90% of our overseas military bases. Obama is off to a very leisurely start.

[TheKentuckian]

31. I believe it can be factually said that it took quite a bit longer than six years to get here.

I don't expect all of this debacle can even be started in the right direction in two terms. It has always been easier to destroy than to build and even the destruction took a full generation to work it's magic.
Also, the change you're demanding was not only never promised but never even offered or even hinted at with a wink and a nod and no one that did would ever get closer than the park across the street.

Hell, he's catching a pretty steady stream of flack for cutting the expected growth of the military budget. What you want would see him impeached as quickly and likely as anything else. You have no shot on your desires until more older, establishment loving voters pass away.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. The vast majority would...but not all

Just sayin'.

[Forkboy]

14. We really need to start setting the bar higher than just being better than whatever jagoff they run.

[salguine]

16. Falling short of blind praise!? Forkboy, you obviously want a pony!

[emulatorloo]

17. Obama is miles better than that jag-off, and miles better than many of his fellow Dems

Is he perfect? Hell no. Trust me I have sent many messages to the White House.

But to suggest that he is "just" marginally better than Bush III is ridiculous.

[Forkboy]

18. You'll have to point out where I suggested that.

I talking about a recurring theme on DU since the 2004 election where many here claimed a ham sandwich could beat Bush or McCain. That was all many were looking for, both in '04 and again '08. The OP, intentionally or not, plays into that kind of thinking by pushing the idea that we should be happy merely because we have someone better than McCain. As that's not hard to do, I'd like to see us have a higher standard than that.

[emulatorloo]

30. "We really need to start setting the bar higher than just being better than whatever jagoff they run

The terms of the OP are McCain/Obama.

That's the comparison being made, so your one line post suggest minimal difference between them.

The ham sandwich folks were never correct.

[Forkboy]

36. Nonsense.

There's a world of difference between them. My post was about the people who are willing to settle for someone just because they are better than the GOP smeghead, and that was literally the bar many set, both on DU and off. We need to focus on the candidate's issues and policies and positions, not just accept whoever because they are better than a Repub. ALL our candidates were better than theirs, but not all our candidates were equal. Thankfully, most people do base their vote on issues, but not all of them, and that's what my post was about.

[stevenleser]

15. Good Question n/t

[mitchtv]

25. sounds like a push poll

lousy question

[Mass]

19. More time lost of whining because people disagree sometimes with Obama.

What a loss of energy for nothing. Sorry if I prefer to make sure we have a healthcare in this country?

[Better Believe It]

21. The obvious answer to your loaded question is yes. Why did you ask it?

And it's nothing personal. Just about everybody here like President Obama, many here just don't support all of his policies.

Do you understand the difference and did you really expect anything different?

[donco6]

22. Who's wishing McCain had won?

Name one.

[NYC_SKP]

23. WTF. This OP is not unrec worthy.

I did my part to push it up to a neutral "0".

So many unrecs almost prove the point.

If there is a point.

:shrug:

Rec'd.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

26. Some people just bitch to bitch. The world is full of these negative creatures.

I'm starting to realize that the best thing to do is just ignore them. They don't seem to realize that all they are doing is turning people off and away from their arguments. Repeating the same BS over and over will do that...

[Hawkowl]

27. I prefer Obama to Hitler

I also prefer Obama over: Stalin, Ghengis Khan, W, Mao, and Mussolini.

So am I happy with him? NO. Why? Because he is a milquetoast pander who'd rather continue the Afghan War with no source of revenue and then demand Health care reform pay for itself. Because he's thrown gays under the bus. Because he's busy stuffing all the Goldman Sachs people he can find into the Treasury dept.

We deserve better.

Your post is STOOPID.

[lexanman]

28. I dont understand why its always the false statement

that DU'ers dont like Obama. Its thats people are dissappointed with his status quo, same people in place positions.

[HamdenRice]

32. Most of them would be extremely happy with McCain because they love being miserable

A number of them also have apocalyptic and nihilistic fantasies of the destruction of society, and McCain would have fulfilled them -- we'd have complete economic collapse, vastly escalated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an attack on Iran, and privatization of Medicaid, Medicare and and social security.

In other words, we'd have complete and total collapse, chaos and catastrophe, which the "let it fail!" crowd actually said it wanted.

So, in a word, they'd be in pig heaven.

Fortunately, they are marginal to every serious discussion and all decision making in the real world.

[BlooInBloo]

33. No - they just can't stand that Obama beat Clinton.

[Jakes Progress]

37. Ahhh. Now we see.

Bet that took you three whole posts to find a way.

[invictus]

34. The Clintonites would blame Obama for losing to McCain. Hillary said "He cannot win."

Hillary would say "I told you so" and would begin her campaign for 2012.

[RBInMaine]

35. OBAMA IS AWESOME !! Great post ! DUers need to SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT !!

[TheKentuckian]

40. If McCain had won most of us would be deployed...somewhere

slogging through the streets of Madrid, hand to hand warfare against Emperor Penguins, making New Zealand "play ball, or something equally fucked.