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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:58 PM
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President Obama wants a strong public option, but, Congress doesn't provide for one in their plans!
If President Obama wants a public option, Congress will have to re-write their health care plans which fall far short of the public option proposed by President Obama.

President Obama said:

"Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family."

Hasn't President Obama read or been fully brief on the House of Representatives and the Senates "The Affordable Health Choices Act"
health care proposals? Their plans DO NOT provide a public option where everyone is free to choose the best plan for themselves or their family. Severe restrictions exist on what employers and individuals can choose the public option. According to Congressional aides, only 9 million people will have qualified for the public option in 2019, a full decade from now! Everyone else will be covered by mandatory private insurance!

So if President Obama really wants a public option available to all employers and individuals at "a one-stop shopping marketplace" he'd better instruct the Democratic leadership in Congress to write a new bill because it just can't happen under the current Congressional health care proposals.

Once again, here's the hard facts about the current proposed legislation that President Obama is going to have to deal with and change if he truly wants the strong public option that he proposed in his speech, a public option that we and employers will truly be free to choose.

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For many workers, insurance choices may be limited after health care overhaul
BY MARY AGNES CAREY AND JULIE APPLEBY
17 July 2009

President Obama and leading Democrats have stressed that people who like their employer-sponsored insurance would be able to keep it, under a health care overhaul. But they haven't emphasized the flip side: That people who don't like their coverage might have to keep it.

Under the main health bills being debated in Congress, many people with job-based insurance could find it difficult to impossible to switch to health plans on a new insurance exchange, even if the plans there were cheaper or offered better coverage. The restrictions extend to any government-run plan, which would be offered on the exchange.

Democratic lawmakers and administration officials say the restrictions are critical to maintaining a strong employer-based insurance system, which covers 158 million Americans.

But critics argue that the rules run counter to suggestions from health care reform advocates that an overhaul could provide people with a broader choice of insurance options. The rules, they say, could be especially unfair to some lower-income workers who are enrolled in costly job-based insurance. Also, they argue, the restrictions would hurt the proposed public plan by limiting enrollment.

Jonathan Oberlander, associate professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said the restrictions create a "big gap between the rhetoric and the reality" of health reform. "The rhetoric is that Americans will gain new alternatives," he said. "But the reality is that they are putting up firewalls that are going to restrict the access of people with employer-sponsored insurance to the exchange."

One result, he said, is that any public plan would be substantially smaller than what many backers are envisioning. That would reduce the public plan's power to compete with private insurers and hold down costs, he said. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that nine million to 10 million people would enroll in the public plan by 2019.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/healthquest/for-many-workers-insurance-choices-may-be-limited-after-health-care-overhaul

If the employer has 10 employees or fewer they may qualify for the public insurance option sometime in 2013.

If the employer has 20 employees or fewer they may qualify the public insurance option sometime in 2014.

If the employer has more than 20 employees they may be able to get the public insurance option sometime in 2015, if approved by "the Commissioner". However, there is nothing in the legislation mandating such approval or requiring the government to make the public insurance option available to all employers for their workers at any time in the future.

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"Public Option" Would Only Be Available To The Otherwise Uninsured
TPM Cafe
July 16, 2009

I'm not sure that people really understand how the "public option" would work, given the rhetoric of the administration that people could "keep" their current insurance if they want to or choose a public option.

Last night on The Daily Show, Secretary Sebelius, in response to a question, made things a bit clearer regarding just how the public option would work. She was asked "who would choose" whether or not to use the public option: the employee or the employer? The Secretary said essentially it would be the choice of the employer because if the employer provides health insurance then that is the insurance the employee would have to use. Only if the employer chose not to provide health insurance would the employee be able to enroll in the public option.

Most of the people I know that have employer provided health insurance are glad they have insurance as opposed to not having it, but they hate the plans they have because the expense is totally unreasonable and with each passing year, less and less coverage is provided while costs go up. So, leaving the choice to employers is not the same as providing choice to citizens at all.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/oleeb/2009/07/public-option-would-only-be-av.php?ref=reccafe

And congressional aides say only about 9 million will be insured by public plan by 2019! 21 million will be insured by private companies in the exchange by 2019. Another 164 million would be insured with private insurance through their employers.


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The Health Insurance Exchange: It's run nationally, though states can opt out of the national structure and go it alone if they choose, and if they follow federal rules. In the first year, it accepts those without health insurance, those who are buying health insurance on their own, and small businesses with fewer than 10 people. In the second year, it accepts small businesses with fewer than 20 people. After that, "larger employers as permitted by the Commissioner." In other words, expansion is discretionary, not mandated. The only people able to access the public plan in the early years will be on the exchange, and the exchange will be, relative to the population, pretty limited. So the public plan will be limited, and so too will any anticipated savings.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/the_house_releases_its_health-.html?hpid=news-col-blog

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSTRE56D7JX20090714


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by snaxattack
Daily Kos
July 16, 2009


I mentioned in a previous diary the importance of the insurance exchange as a tool for enacting real health care reform. Without access to the health insurance exchange, there is no access to the public option and no access to portable health insurance. The House and Senate approaches both restrict access to the insurance exchange through a process called "firewalling", forcing everyone who has employer-based health insurance to keep that insurance. Firewalling is an impediment to real reform and must be stopped!


The Senate committees are making it hard to even enter the exchange as an individual. In order to prevent insurance companies from seeing real competition and make it more difficult to receive government subsidies, they are creating a "firewall" that puts a barrier between the insurance exchange and employees of companies that offer their own group insurance plan.

We need to start lobbying our congressional representatives for a STRONG insurance exchange, with no firewall to prevent employees of large companies from accessing high quality, portable insurance through the insurance exchange. We need to ask our congresspeople to implement a plan that allows large employers to contract with the insurance exchange, just as small businesses will be able to do.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/16/754237/-New

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/9/751637/-The





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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:00 PM
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1. Well from what Obama said today. Conference is where they are going to do
there most work. Then there is also the threat of Reconciliation. But you need to get something out of Committee first.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:04 PM
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3. 50 Senate votes are needed to pass universal healthcare we can believe in.

Vice-President Biden would cast the tie-breaking vote.

So bring on the Republican obstructionist filibuster!

And make them filibuster on the Senate floor, no fake "phone it it" filibusters!

All filibusters end.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:38 AM
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12. Do we even have 50 votes in our pathetic Dem-controlled congress?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:15 PM
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5. The problem with the House/Senate conference is this:

The House bill, already weak on the public option, will only be weakened even more by the Senate when they go to conference.

That's what happened with the House stimulus bill when it went to conference with the Senate and I don't see how that might change this time around on healthcare.

What do you think?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:35 AM
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10. Not on this. Because in Conference with the Senate there is
the threat of Reconciliation. It also will depend on who the negotiators are.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:03 PM
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2. Oh, you! Details, details, details...

A public option is going to be nothing more then legislation written to placate the masses so they think they are getting health care reform.

Don't worry though...

By not truly fixing health care, the whole thing will go bust. This game can't go on forever. It will be then that we will be FORCED into change with single payer. Give it 8 to 10 years.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:08 PM
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4. I'm sorry for the factual details. Here, let me put on my happy face and ....
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foginthemorn Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:41 PM
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6. Thanks very much and REC
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:59 PM
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7. i don't think obama REALLY believes in a strong 'public option' -- if that were true
tha man would be out using his bully pulpit now -- around the country -- through town halls and media blitzes.

it's easy for some one to say they are strongly in support of something -- then slyly hol back on really pushing for it.

as it is right now -- the whole health care mess is opening a very big window for republicans to come in through in 10.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:38 AM
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11. Where have you been? He's been doing interviews on all the networks
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 12:42 AM by Thrill
last week and this week on healthcare. Townhalls as well. The ABC townhall, the online health townhall, Green Bay and now Cleveland this week. A Press Conference Wednesday, His weekly address, etc.... all on healthcare. Obama is doing what he needs to do. The problem is just like with the closing of Gitmo, no Democrats are backing him up and helping him push it.
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foginthemorn Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:03 PM
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8. Of course the President has been briefed!!



................Hasn't President Obama read or been fully brief on the House of Representatives and the Senates "The Affordable Health Choices Act"
health care proposals?..............from the OP...........
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:51 AM
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13. So you're saying he supports the plans that don't offer a strong public option ....
or at a minimum is not raising any objections to them.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:20 PM
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9. K&R thank you for the compilation.... I posted the Carey and Appleby
article elsewhere on DU today and got the royal FU treatment! It's not just the Repubs who try to eat their own. Scary.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:23 AM
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14. Some people here support anything called a "Public Option".
HR 3200, the House Bill scored by the CBO last Friday, contains something called a "Public Option", but it is really a gift to Big Insurance.

Do you believe that the 72% of Americans who are calling for a "Public Option" will be satisfied with this?

*ONLY 10 Million Americans will be covered by the Public Plan by 2019.
Big Insurance should be very happy.
With the MANDATE that ALL Americans purchase Health Insurance, and only 10 Million in the Public Plan after 10 years, they will be raking in the money.


If the Public Plan only enrolls 3% of Americans, will they have any negotiating power to drive down Health Care Costs?


"Most importantly, the CBO coverage tables undermine the conservative claim that a public option would eliminate private insurance and erode employer-sponsored coverage. The House bill actually increases the number of people who receive coverage through their employer by 2 million (in 2019) and shifts most of the uninsured into private coverage. By 2019, 30 million individuals would also purchase coverage from the Exchange, but only 9-10 million Americans would enroll in the public option, the rest would enroll in private coverage."

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/07/14/house-bill-comes-in-at-1-trillion-undermines-gop-talking-points/




*Health Insurance will be mandated for all Americans, but Providers will be able to refuse Public Plan Participants.


Provider participation is voluntary – Medicare providers are presumed to be participating unless they opt out."


*The Public Option "should" be about 10% cheaper than Private Insurance.
I guess that is something, but a Publicly Owned Government Administered Plan that is open to ALL Americans could cut costs by at least 25%. (Difference between Medicare and Private Insurance administration).



*Many that are receiving Employer Based Insurance will be locked out of the "Exchange" and forced to keep their more expensive insurance.

"Under the main health bills being debated in Congress, many people with job-based insurance could find it difficult to impossible to switch to health plans on a new insurance exchange, even if the plans there were cheaper or offered better coverage. The restrictions extend to any government-run plan, which would be offered on the exchange.

<snip>

But critics argue that the rules run counter to suggestions from health care reform advocates that an overhaul could provide people with a broader choice of insurance options. The rules, they say, could be especially unfair to some lower-income workers who are enrolled in costly job-based insurance. Also, they argue, the restrictions would hurt the proposed public plan by limiting enrollment."

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/healthquest/for-many-workers-insurance-choices-may-be-limited-after-health-care-overhaul


There are many other details that need to be examined, but the one MOST glaring is the prediction that ONLY 10 Million will be enrolled in the Public Option by 2019. That is minuscule compared to what America is demanding.

THIS will NOT "open the door to Single Payer", but will only further entrench and safeguard the For Profit Health Insurance Industry.

K&R


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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:41 PM
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15. Thanks for the badly needed additional information the mass media is not reporting on.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:35 PM
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16. Exactly - there doesn't seem to be a single bill out there that actually contains a STRONG public
option. And what IS in these bills is far more likely to get WATERED DOWN rather than strengthened as the process goes on.

Couldn't agree more with "THIS will NOT "open the door to Single Payer", but will only further entrench and safeguard the For Profit Health Insurance Industry."

When I mentioned the "only 10 million enrolled in the "public option" by 2019" problem on another thread, I got hammered for it. But that problem is a shining example of just how freakin' LAME all of these bills are.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 06:52 PM
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17. The people who hammered you can't handle the truth.

They prefer wearing blinders while they sing "Happy Days Are Here Again".
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