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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:47 AM
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FYI Henry Gates Jr residence is on the Harvard campus.
Question I have is when were campus police called? Why weren't they called immediately when Cambridge police were notified?

Residence is number 7.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:49 AM
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1. It was a passer by who called 911, is my guess.
911 goes to the Cambridge PD, and the passer by said "burglary in progress."

The Cambridge cops called the campus cops AFTER they had two forms of ID, is what I understand.

And before they arrested him.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:50 AM
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2.  its a public street
the campus police were called shortly after the Cambridge police arrived.
standard procedure once its identified as a Harvard University property
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:56 AM
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3. In today's age the police should know the location of residences.
Especially considering that Cambridge has all their properties online and accessible and can identify ownership of those properties.

Today's 911's have those properties identified in their system so they can see immediately when they receive the call.

Called shortly after the police arrived? They should had been alerted immediately because they should know where Harvard is located.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:59 AM
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4. not every house on that street is Harvard
there are some non-Harvard residences there also
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:13 AM
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7. Cambridge database identifies all residences that are Harvard owned.
And the map clearly shows which buildings are on the Harvard campus.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:16 AM
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8. once a 911 call is made
the Cambridge Police must, by law, respond.
They beat campus police there, not unusual at all.

not sure what your point is.
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:00 AM
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5. They may both have jurisdiction.
I got into a shouting match once with a city cop on a college campus when he tried to boss me around for no other reason than he thought that he could get away with it.

I was about to be cuffed and hauled away when the campus cops arrived and diffused the situation.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:02 PM
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10. Campus cops have jurisdiction and filed a protest following
Gates arrest.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:00 AM
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6. Why are you posting a map to Skip's house?
:shrug:
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:24 AM
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9. Yeah, I would have to agree that although it is common knowledge

it is probably better if his address remained hidden.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:29 PM
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11. Maybe Sgt. Crowley made an arrest to cover up the fact that he
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 12:30 PM by msanthrope
stepped into a jurisdiction that was not his, and was in a house that he had no reason to be in, with a person who had a very nice civil case based on his 4th amendment violation.

Crowley's probable cause to enter the house does not exist. In America, the police don't get to enter your residence just because your paranoid white neighbor saw a black man at the door.

It would have taken Sgt. Crowley about two minutes to run the address, and then the DMV records and ascertain that in fact, yes, a older Black man lived at that address. He then should have politely explained to Mr. Gates, from his porch, the situation.

No reason, or cause for that cop to be in his house.

After reading the police report, which is rife with the kind of dialog a police officer would find ass-covering, particularly after watching too much bad television, I'm convinced that this cop did this call wrong, from start to finish....and made a police report to cover.

The whole reason the disorderly charge was dropped was because that cop had no probable cause to be in that house in the first place. That cop just assumed that the man he was questioning would not have standing to raise a 4th amendment challenge to his illegal entry...as in, the cop assumed that the Black man he saw could not have been the homeowner....

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