Memo to DU: There was/is NO chance we get a bill that is not geared to industry; if at all.

[oviedodem]

Folks,

There is nothing the President could do or say to get true reform. NOTHING!!

Corporate money is too entrenched in congress and the media for that to happen. While this effort is seemingly closer than we have ever had, in reality it was no closer than the last time; it's all an illusion. We must all come to terms that the democrats are really no different than the republicans. We can call and email our officials all day, guess what: THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN!!! All of them have no term limits, sit in cushy offices, having cocktails every other day, raking in the dough and we stupidly put them in office every time.

Here is the funny part: We put them there to make money for themselves and their cronies under the illusion of helping us

And we fall for it every time.

Corporatism is too strong in this country for true healthcare reform to pass easily. In the end we may have a bill but it will simply give us the illusion of reform with more poison pills that will keep the establishment more than happy. It's quite evident that lobbying will never stop. The money is too enticing to pass up, they know it and use to their advantage every time.

We can NO longer rely on our elected officials to do right for the people; this should be crystal clear. The only way to "survive" in a system like this is to try and game it as best you can. Become Machiavellian, get smarter, use the loopholes when available, it is the only way the average person is going to make it in the future. This is the society that has been bred and you will be crushed under the sheer weight of it if you don't adapt.

[villager]

1. well, there's the point at which the system finally collapses under its own necrotic

weight...

But yes, what do we do until then?

[oviedodem]

2. It is like evolution, survival of the fittest. That is all I can see at this point.

[MarjorieG]

3. You had me until you said all of them. True that corps entrenched, but we have to do something.

Obama wants to do something, and put some steps into place that may self-correct the rest. I want him to fight for a decent competitive mechanism, and I don't know that he won't, but we have to support him past the media and others' self interests.

Given our recession, hard to argue with some of the fear, but he's forging ahead. Also hard to suggest extending Medicare as a public option, when the biggest cost problem going forward. Maybe he can fix it, price it differently, but we are already underpaying to doctors. Insurance does well because they deny coverage. A quandry.

[oviedodem]

4. I agree, but the problem is too many on either side are too easily swayed

by corporate money. Not all of the votes on some of the bad amendments are from Blue-Dogs and repubs. Clair McCaskill and Durbin the biggest Obama supporters, all of which knew his plan are now uneasy?

Either they went along for the ride or knew his campaign plan was not the "true" plan.

[Locrian]

5. I share your vision...

Dont LIKE it, but I do.

I'm waiting for them to start passing bills to REQUIRE us to pay for whatever the industry wants: whatever they decide will make the most money, etc. Probably what would have been in place had McCain won.

[AndyTiedye]

6. The Insurance Industry Has Unlimited Funds To Fight Reform

Any time they need more money to fight against health care reform
all they have to do is raise our insurance rates some more.

[Teaser]

7. pessimism fail

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