Can you prove you're an American Citizen?

[Xipe Totec]

Are you sure your birth certificate still exists on paper, or has your state converted it to ones and zeroes on a computer?

According to Lou Dobbs, if your original birth certificate no longer exists on paper, you are an illegal alien in this country.

[scheming daemons]

1. My birth certificate looks exactly like Obama's... doesn't list the doctor or hospital either

[Sebass1271]

4. my son's birth certificate ( i wasn't born in te U.S.) looks

like Obama's as well. IT doesn't list the name of the hospital he was born neither the name of the doctor. This birth certificate was directly mailed to me from the State of Office of Statistic of the State of Florida when my son was born.

These birthers are stupid and whoever spreads their false believes and lies are not real journalists or have no journalistic integrity. Lou Dobbs has always been a scam. He is no journalist.

[dflprincess]

100. I have one that looks like Obama's

and the one issued shortly after my birth that has all sorts of info on it (hospital, doctor, length, weight among a bunch of other stuff).

I used the one that looks like Obama's (and my driver's license) to get my passport so I guess I proved to the State Department's satisfaction that I'm a citizen.

[BOSSHOG]

2. The last thing I'd want to do is piss off lou dobbs

My birth certificate and my wife's are locked in a safe deposit box at our credit union. We have copies in the house. Whew, sure wouldn't want lou dobbs coming to get me.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Those are copies

The original has to be in the county records where the birth occurred.

Unless, of course, the county has digitized them, in which case, you're screwn.

[BOSSHOG]

7. You're right

they are stamped certified copy. There is also a copy in my military records. So I don't think lou will get me anytime soon.

[Hutzpa]

5. I'll find it and then hand it over to Liddy

but first he must come get it from my kung-fu grip.


:evilgrin:

[Xipe Totec]

13. Whatever you have in your possession is a copy

and according to the birthers, copies don't count, only the original.

And if the original has been digitized, it no longer exists, so you can no longer prove you are a Citizen.

[Hutzpa]

20. ahhhh!! In that case Fuck em'

and their minions that followed them around.

[Xipe Totec]

30. Exactly! n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

6. I think my mom saved a copy of birth certificate.

But I don't know where the copy is.

[Xipe Totec]

9. Unless the original exists, you're screwn

Only the original document matters, according to the birthers.

Any docuemnt you have is merely a copy and does not count.

And if your county records have been digitized, you're no longer a citizen.

[last_texas_dem]

8. I'm not sure. I haven't looked at my birth certificate for a long time, and

for all I know it's a dreaded "Certificate of Live Birth"! :scared:

[Xipe Totec]

11. Not only that, it's a copy

The original has to be on file in the county where you were born.

And if the county has digitized the records, according to the birthers, you can no longer prove you are an American Citizen.

[Mz Pip]

10. I've got a copy

of my original signed by a doctor and a registrar. It shows what eye drops they gave me, the address of my parents, how old they were (and race) and that I was legitimate. Also that a test was done for syphillis and the occupations of my parents. I could probably write a novel based on all this info.

But it's all done with a typewriter so it could be a fake. :shrug:

Mz Pip

[Xipe Totec]

12. Copies don't count, according to the birthers

Only the original, which exists only in one place, the county records.

Unless, the county digitized it, in which case you no longer exist.

[Mz Pip]

17. Guess I'm screwn, then.

Oh well, I do have a passport so if I have to get out of Dodge I can do so.

I would suspect that since I was born (a long time ago in a galaxy far far away) there have been millions of people born there since and keeping an actual paper copy on file for all these millions of people would be a logistical nightmare.

[Xipe Totec]

19. My birth certificate is in a bound ledger, written longhand by a scribe

And likewise for my baptismal record.

Then again, I was born in Mexico...

:evilgrin:

PS: My certificate of naturalization is an original document, with a warning in red ink that the document may not be copied in any way, shape or form, under penalty of years in prision and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.

Every time I've had to prove my citizenship, I've had to pull the document out and have a CPA write an afidavit stating that they have seen the document with their own eyes...

Freaky, huh?

[wtbymark]

14. my original sits in a file cabinet in Chaudfountain, Belgium

I now have an official French-Belge translation. Oh by the way, my mother is a registered DAR. What am I Lou? lol

[Raineyb]

15. I have a certified copy

But then I'm black and birthers seem to think you can't be black and American so I guess I can't prove I'm an American citizen.

[Xipe Totec]

52. Bingo! n/t

[bigwillq]

16. I think I have a copy somewhere.

I wouldn't be able to find it easily, though.

[Xipe Totec]

33. And even then, it would still be only a copy

Not the original demanded by the birthers.

[tularetom]

18. I was born at home, no doctor attended my birth

The story is they took me down to the County Health Dept when I was about 1 week old and the Health Director signed my birth certificate. That was 68 years ago.
For all I know I could have been born in Kenya and the whole story is bullshit.

My parents are both dead and so I'm guessing is that Health Director guy.

Guess I probably won't ever be president.

[JitterbugPerfume]

25. me too! 68 yr old and born at home

with no witness, not even my dad ,and my parents are both long since dead.

[Raine]

81. I was delivered at home too

58 years ago by a doctor (who was a chiropractor) my birth certificate says Los Angeles CA but who knows. :shrug:

[Meshuga]

21. My son's birth certificate (state of Maryland)

...lists his name, my name and my wife's (maiden) name, the county where he was born, birth date, and that is it I think. No doctor's name, no hospital name, no city/town, etc.

This whole birther bullshit is ridiculous and it says a lot about CNN which has this crazy jackass as a paid employee. Lou Dobbs is an embarrassment. He has this illegal alien fetish that should be checked out with a mental health professional. I am serious when I say this. I would not be surprised to hear an official announcement in the next few years that he is suffering from Alzheimer's or some other chronic brain disease.

[Xipe Totec]

26. The standard of proof they demand is beyond what most Americans can provide

I bet the birthers themselves, if they bothered to check, would realize they can no longer prove their own citizenship under their own standards of evidence.

[JitterbugPerfume]

22. I guess I am screwn

but I have no idea where Lou would have me deported to?

England?

Ireland?

Germany?

Scotland?

and those re just the places I know about!

[Xipe Totec]

48. When in doubt, Antartica

Under UN jurisdiction...

[mscuedawg]

23. Yes, I definitely can...was born in Ankara, Turkey...

...daughter of an Air Force Sargent...and I have a Naturalization certificate as well, stating I'm a US Citizen. Its a pain in the butt when you want to go anywhere tho...

[Xipe Totec]

28. That's what I have, and it is a pain, I know

:hi:

[Phx_Dem]

24. I can't even prove I was born. My "birth certificate" simply says

Vital Record so it could be my death certificate. I'm not sure. On the other hand, the State Department used it to provide me with a U.S. passport so maybe I was born. I wish I knew for sure.

My husband's birth certificate says "Certificate of Live Birth" (phfew, I was afraid he was born dead!), but since that is clearly not acceptable proof, according to Birthers, I think he might be an illegal alien! Please don't report him.

[Sebass1271]

32. LOL - this is hysterical!

We should send all these by separate e-mails to Lou!. each of us telling him our birth situation and that when we should be expecthing him in our house to have our poor souls deported. : )

LOL!!

[Phx_Dem]

35. Hey, if you weren't born and your husband was illegal, you wouldn't be laughing!

:P

[Xipe Totec]

40. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Robb]

27. I think this gut speaks for itself. nt

[ecstatic]

29. I'd be in the same boat as the President. My mom is from

South America and my dad is from NY. LOL! In an alternate universe if I ever got anywhere near the Presidency I'd be accused of not being a citizen even though I was born and raised in this country. I never even thought there was a question of the citizenship of people like me until this Birther bullshit surfaced.

[Xipe Totec]

31. They have set a standard of proof so high, most Americans can't meet

That is how ridiculous this issue has become.

[madmom]

34. Don't have one, never did.

[Xipe Totec]

45. Don't feel bad, we're all illegal aliens now

according to Lou Dobbs.

[madmom]

68. I always tell everyone I'm just a figment of their imagination. I was born at home the

doc got there after the fact and hand wrote a certificate of birth. So maybe I shouldn't think about leaving the country or running for any office in the future huh?

[AspenRose]

36. I have a Consular Report of Birth Abroad. My birth certificate is foreign

However it was good enough to get me a passport....

[Xipe Totec]

42. That will do, unless...

Unless the Consular Report of Birth Abroad has been digitized, in which case you too are an illegal alien to be hunted down by Lou Dobbs' possee.

:evilgrin:

[nemo137]

37. I'm one of the lucky few.

I have a paper birth certificate from Massachusetts listing parents and hospital. I also have a US passport and have successfully filled out I-9 forms for every job I've had.

[Xipe Totec]

38. your birth certificate is a copy

The original has to be on file in the records of the county where you were born.

If that original has been digitized, and the paper copy of that original destroyed, you can no longer prove you are a US Citizen under the standard of evidence proposed by the birthers.

In other words, you can no longer run for the office of President of the United States.

[Birthmark]

39. I don't have a birth certificate from the United States of America...

...like the krazy klown in DE, so I guess I'm just a citizen of stupid ol' New York.

To the Birthers: Exhaust fumes should be consumed in moderation.

[Xipe Totec]

41. Yes, another fine point, tersely made.

The United States does not issue birth certificates. Only counties, chartered by a state or commonwealth of the United States issue them.

[TheKentuckian]

43. To the birfers? Nobody in the history of time and space can prove anything to them

that they elect to disbelieve. On the other hand if they want to buy some bullshit then the bar of proof is so far below ground that it gets melted in the planet core.

Apparently, to anyone that is remotely rational then sure.

[Blue_Roses]

44. no

I was brought in by the stork.

[Xipe Totec]

46. Can you prove that?

:evilgrin:

[Blue_Roses]

60. yes

I have a constant headache from being dropped;)

[Scout]

47. i've got a hard copy birth certificate in my possession n/t

[Xipe Totec]

50. Copy.

Only the original counts, and that only exists in the county records.

Unless of course it has been digitized, in which case you're screwn.

[Scout]

55. no, it is the original, with the raised county seal on it

and i also have a copy

so i'm not "screwn" and you don't know what you're talking about.

[Xipe Totec]

56. It is in fact a copy.

The original has to be filed in the county records.

There is only one original, and it belongs in the county records.

The rest are copies.

Sorry.

[Scout]

57. fine, then the county made me a copy with the raised seal, just like the original

don't tell me what i have and don't have

[Xipe Totec]

58. I know what you have

You have what we all have; a certified copy of an original document.

Same as the President.

[AspenRose]

63. XT is being sarcastic

He's poking fun at the unattainable standards the Birthers have set for what constitutes an acceptable birth certificate.

[Xipe Totec]

67. Yes indeed!

:hi:

[Still Sensible]

49. Screw Lou Dobbs and the dimwits that watch his show.

I still have my paper birth certificate (a delicate, 54-year-old document with folds and tears), as well as a passport, which identifies my place of birth and for which I had to provide said birth certificate to obtain from our Department of State.

Meanwhile, Lou Dobbs still has his head up his ass.

[Xipe Totec]

51. Copy

Only the original, in the county records matters.

unless it has been digitized....

[damntexdem]

53. Good, once we're all illegal aliens, no one will be one.

But actually, I only 5/32 belong in this country.

Cherokee and Choctaw.

[Xipe Totec]

54. I'm only 1/20th American

Since my ancestors came to the Americas only 500 years ago.

Except for a little Tarahumara on my father's side, and Otomi on my mother's.

:hi:

[Aristus]

59. I have a U.S. passport. That's proof of American citizenship.

President Obama must not have one, if he's not a U.S. citizen. That's okay; he probably doesn't do a lot a traveling...

[mnhtnbb]

61. The City of New York sent me a Certification of Birth

when I needed one 18 months ago in order to replace my passport which burned up in our house fire.

[zbdent]

62. flawed question ...

Arnold Schwarzenegger is an "American Citizen" - naturalized.

He is not, unlike Barack Obama, a "Natural born American Citizen" ...

[Xipe Totec]

65. Flawed reply

The birther issue is not about where he was born, but whether he can prove it to their satisfaction.

And their standard of evidence is so high, that most Americans can not satisfy it.

[zbdent]

97. "whether he can prove it to their satisfaction." ... in that case ...

No, as a "lefty", I would not be able to prove it to their satisfaction.

It was rather interesting ... when I applied for a passport, I found that the copy of my "birth certificate" I had wasn't actually a birth certificate ...

Since we were on a time limit, I said "Let's get the ball rolling anyway, and I'll get my home state to send me a certified copy."

So, I got the certified copy of my birth certificate, and waited for the govt. to tell me that I needed to send it in, instead of what I had sent with the application.

And I waited ...

and in the mail, with plenty of time before I HAD to have it, I received my passport ... go figure ... it was good enough for them ... but it probably wouldn't have been good enough for a "birther" ...

[Critters2]

64. Someone should ask to see the birth certificates

of Dobbs, Liddy, Liz Cheney, Rush, all the birther leaders. And when they produce "the short form", we should ask what they're trying to hide!

[Xipe Totec]

66. Any document they can present is automatically a copy

and therefore invalid.

Since the original birth certificate, if it exists, only exists in the county records, where it shall remain...

Unless of course it has been converted to digital format, in which case they can no longer prove their citizenship.

[Odin2005]

69. Yes, the original thing is some Fargo courthouse somewhere IIRC.

[Xipe Totec]

70. If it hasn't been digitized, of course...

:evilgrin:

[BlooInBloo]

71. Irrelevant. I'm white.

[Xipe Totec]

72. Check Mate n/t

[quiller4]

73. My cerificate of live birth issued in 1991 has

the signature of Dr. P. O'Leary next to the checked box "MD attending at birth" on May 16, 1951. My husband's certification of live birth has only the signature of the then registrar of vital records for the City of Plattsburgh. It was issued May 14, 1990 and certifies that his birth in Plattsburgh on March 19, 1946 was registered on March 23, 1946.

The originals are stored on microfilm according to Washington and New York states.

[hobbit709]

74. Just had to go through this to renew my driver's license

Original birth certificate from Austria(in German)
Original English translation of same
State Department certificate proving I am an American citizen by birth since my father was American.
Several other pieces of paper including court documents, DD-214, and my VA ID card.

The she goes "How did you get your first driver's license without this?"
My reply"They didn't ask for any of this back then"

I also added that I enlisted and served in the United States Air Force with a top secret security clearance and I didn't have to provide all this crap for that

[cleveramerican]

75. when I got my passport, they told me I wouldn't need my birth certificate anymore!

I'm hiding out from lou

[DavidDvorkin]

76. I have my naturalization papers

Which prove that I am, by God, an Amurrican citizen! But they also prove that I can't become president, thanks to that absurd provision in the Constitution.

[Saphire]

77. Yup, got my original copy w/seal plus my DAR papers. I have papers

proving both sides of my family have been here for 300 years. I am as American as an American can get. As a matter of fact, my families invented Americans.

So, by the powers vested in me, I do hereby proclaim Lou Dobbs and all birther idiots anti-American asshats, and Barack Obama, a natural born citizen, the President of the United States.

So there.

[Xipe Totec]

84. At the risk of being repetitious - copies don't count

You have to drag the original out of the county archives.

Unless of course, it has been digitized...

In which case, you no longer really exist.

[Saphire]

93. Alas, it's only a certified copy of the original that's on file with the county.

Damn, I was so SURE I existed.

[Xipe Totec]

95. In the immortal words of the great philosopher Pepe Le Peu...

I stink, therefore I AM!

[csziggy]

102. Heck, the DAR stuff out to trump the "original" argument!

I mean the DAR lineage out to be "pure" enough for Dobbs and the birthers. Maybe I should re-join just to make sure they recognize my three different proofs of my birth.

[rug]

78. I stapled an American flag to my navel.

[Xipe Totec]

91. Been there, done that, have the staple hoes...

But was the American flag made in the USA, or China?

[Forkboy]

79. You mean like act obnoxious abroad?

:)

[Xipe Totec]

83. Okay, you got me.

That could work...

[pink-o]

80. I was born in 1954

...I think my birth certificate must be in the Baltimore, Maryland Registrar printed on the original Papyrus!

:patriot:

[Xipe Totec]

85. Unless it has been digitized to save space...

:patriot:

[pink-o]

87. Or tossed in the crapper--since no one born THAT long ago could possibly

still be cognizant!!!

No, seriously: I have the copy my parents ordered 41 years ago to get me my first passport (also an antique!) and it's not even typewritten! Some poor clerk had to fill in the info by hand!!

And even with the BC in my lockbox, do I really know it's authentic? Maybe I was born somewhere off shore, and my parents just paid the right county worker the right amount of money....And maybe the lady with her BC in the baggie that had the attached American flag, screaming at the council meeting that her dad was a WWII vet (mine too) was flinging around a forged document as well!

Ridiculous? Yeah, but no more stupider than this whole birther controversy over Obama.

[Xipe Totec]

88. Yes, I think you understand the sense of the OP perfectly!

It is an absurd standard. It is a litmus test that most Americans cannot pass.

Not even the birthers who are raising this issue.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

82. Yeah, but it's a Hawiian birth certificate...

seriously
:rofl:

[Xipe Totec]

86. ROFL!

I feel your pain!

:rofl:

[lyonn]

89. How the hell could Obama's mom get to Kenya without a passport?

As far as we know she didn't leave the U.S. until her 2nd marriage.

These ding dongs must be off-springs of the McCarthy crowd. They seemed determined that one must prove they are NOT a communist..... you know, guilty until proven innocent.

Chris Matthews mentioned and showed a copy of Obama's birth announcement in the local paper.

[Xipe Totec]

90. They have set the bar so high, they can't pass it either

by their own rules, birthers can't prove they are US citizens.

[and-justice-for-all]

92. Ich weis es nicht?!

Ja, Ich bin Amerikaner.

[Xipe Totec]

96. Ich bin Jelly Donut! n/t

[JayMusgrove]

94. NO... no one can prove it...that birth certificate

it's just a piece of paper!

Just like Bush's Constitution.

[AzNick]

98. I have a certificate of naturalization, therefore I am not a "real" American

And by that I mean I am not Pawnee, Sioux, Cherokee, Navajo, etc...

[Politicalboi]

99. When I moved to Pa in 04

I had my old B/C and they told me I needed a new one to get a Pa drivers license. So 30 or 40 dollars later I got it in the mail. So the B/C I have had all my life wasn't any good. I had to fork out money to get a new one. What a scam.

[csziggy]

101. I have the original of a certificate from a hospital stating that I was born!

So I guess I can prove I am an American, even though this certificate is not notarized or stamped in any way. But it is signed by the doctor who delivered me and the hospital superintendent and have lots of info about my parents. Since the doctor was ancient when I was a teenager I am sure he is dead. I don't about the hospital superintendent, but he wouldn't count anyway since he could not verify I was born.

Then I have a microfiche copy of a "long form" Certificate of Live Birth issued by the State of Florida in 1963 that has even more information than the hospital certificate and is signed by the doctor who delivered me.

And last week I got a "short form" Certificate of Birth from Florida that has less information than the other two things but it is more readable, being all computer printed, and will be the one I will carry when I need to prove who I am.

Frankly, given a little time and the right paper, I could fake up hospital certificates that look like the one I have and generate as many versions as anybody could want, showing whatever information is needed. I'd rather rely on records verified and certified by the state from their records.

[workinclasszero]

103. Let's see...

A job that just keeps me and my family heads above water, check.

Lousy health insurance that we are afraid to use for fear of getting a huge bill in the mail, check.

Paying through the nose every week for the lousy insurance, check.

Wondering what the kid can learn in school that wont be outsourced in a few years or wiped out by indentured Indian visa workers, check.

And who the hell is gonna pay for it..., check.

Hoping and praying that President Obama and the dems can save the sinking ship that Ray-guns, Bush, wall street and Limbaugh have left us, check.

Yeah I'd say I'm an american, and we got it better than all the poor folks looking for work now.

[davidpdx]

104. I only have a copy

I must be an illegal alien. WHOO!

[Tristesse]

105. Well, ummm

I think we've got my birth certificate here somewhere. Not that a packrat like me would ever find it, lol.

Then again...it might just be a copy. :o Even if it's stamped with the official state seal, that proves nothing. I know that's true cause the Birthers and Faux News tell me so. Not to mention my voices. :crazy:

They say they have "the original"--or a copy of the original--or, or SOMETHING in our state capital *Panic attack looming*

OMG, I knew it! I'm no American, I'm an alien!!!

The REPTILIAN kind!!! ;( :wow: :hide:

It's over. It's allll over.

*sigh* (Or whatever reptilian aliens do when they're in distress.)

Guess I gotta go and turn myself in now.

[Xipe Totec]

106. Brother!

:rofl:


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