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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:21 PM
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If Healthcare Reform Passes Sometime this Year...Is Obama Guranteed to Get Re-Elected?
If healthcare reform passes the way Obama wants it to with a Public Option...what does that do for his chances in 2012? Or is that too far off still? The way I see it, it would definently hurt the Republicans in 2010, but they'd still have plenty of time to rebound for 2012. I don't think it would gurantee anything.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:25 PM
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1. It depends on the bill he signed
If he signs a bill thats mostly a clone of Romney Care it could hurt him due to the mandates forced onto people who are really hurting in this economy.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:25 PM
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2. It seems to me that presidents get reelected when the general population
feels that it is doing well. It would greatly help Obama if the health care plan that gets passed takes the financial burden off of your average person in a major way. (And anything else he can get done to help people's wallets would be a plus, too.)

This not to say there are not other issues on people's minds, just that finances is a big one right now.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:37 PM
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4. Or when you're able to successfully get 50 + 1%
to be pissing in their pants over an over hyped threat to US civilization, mostly because of an epic failure to prevent a catastrophe that claimed the lives of 3000 people and then launch an unnecessary "war of choice" over another over hyped and fabricated threat that gets another 4000 (5000?) soldiers unnecessarily killed. Because, after all, you want to be able to say that we have a POTUS we can have a beer with, right? :eyes:

But, all that aside, yes, if health insurance reform turns out to help people and things are generally going well, economically and otherwise, come 2012 and the GOP "brand" numbers/popularity remains as bad as recalled dog food, then I believe that President Obama will win a second term. He will probably win a second term in almost any instance just because the Republicans are in such miserable shape right now and we've already had 8-14 years of Republican *solutions* that ended up doing nothing other than making the rich even richer and screwing everybody else over.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:40 PM
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6. I think Obama has the beer thing in his favor, tho. :^P Yeah,
terrorizing people into voting for you works. But only for so long. Obviously, enough of us were sick of it by the time Dame Palin made her entrance onto the national political stage that it was a liability instead of an asset.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:50 PM
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8. Yes, thankfully!
:whew: Looking back on it, I wonder why exactly I was so worried that McCain/Palin would win- other than the corporate media, anyway but I guess even THAT wasn't enough to put them in the WH. last year. We REALLY dodged a bullet big time last year!!!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:56 PM
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9. I was really terrified of Palin. That was the main reason I voted for Obama instead of my own party.
I felt sick waiting until they called it for O. Just worried right up until the end.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:05 AM
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10. Me too
Although I relaxed once they called Pennsylvania for O cutting McCain's chances off. I wasn't sure about Ohio and Florida but it seemed like he won darn near every state that I hadn't even dreamed of him winning, including my home state (Indiana- which hasn't voted for a Dem since LBJ).
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:36 PM
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3. Assuming the bill's halfway decent, there would be no guarantees, but it would certainly help.
Personally, I think that while HR 3200 is far from the perfect bill, it is a great deal better than Romneycare, and if Obama signed something like it into law, the effects would definitely be positive for him in 2012.
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berniebern Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:38 PM
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5. Depends. If the economy does not recover, no health reform will help
Luckily, the Republicans offer no good alternative.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:43 PM
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7. Obviousy, there are no guarantees, but I do think it would be a huge help
It's impossible to know what shape the economy will be in come 2012. And we don''t know who the GOP nominee will be. (My gut tells me Romney).

But if Obama can pass a universal health care bill then that means that he will be able to say that the GOP nominee wants to repeal it (which I assume they will). That will create a situation where people who vote against Obama will be voting for repeal. And I don't think that would happen. So I think it would greatly increase the likely hood of him winning a second term.

Steve
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:08 AM
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11. If this is what Blue Dogs and Republicans are
focused on then they should buy themselves a bridge.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:13 AM
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12. It sure won't hurt but the unemployment rate is probably more significant. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:33 AM
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13. That depends on whether the bill actually helps people in preference to Enron insurance
If the public option is weak and delayed until 2013, that endangers him and all Dems.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:53 AM
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14. depends on the bill
If it is a good bill that really makes a difference, then yes it will be a signature item that will be rock solid proof that he is working for us, and it will remain potent for as long as people are feeling that relief. How long did the effects of creating Medicare or Social Insurance last?

If on the other hand pass a fluffy pro-corporate bill that doesn't end up helping people, then no, it will end up being a weight around the necks of Obama and every other Democrat.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:14 AM
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15. It is far to early to say that...
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 04:15 AM by and-justice-for-all
but I had counsel with the Sybil and it appeared to her that he was a 2 term President...

LOL, who am I kidding, I dont believe in that crap... But I think he will go 2 terms.
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