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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:41 PM
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Ezra Klein:"Get it out of the Finance Committee.....You don't fix it now. You fix it in conference."
Does The White House Have a Secret Strategy for Health Reform?



As Paul Krugman writes today, it's a bit tricky to say exactly what the White House's bottom line is on health care -- or even if it has one. "The only thing that's non-negotiable is success," Rahm Emmanuel likes to say. And a lot of things can be defined as success.

Krugman is concerned about the watered-down bill being considered by the Senate FInance Committee, and Obama's unwillingness to draw bright lines on what an acceptable piece of legislation looks like. There is a side of Obama, Krugman says, that "searches for common ground where none exists, and whose negotiations with himself lead to policies that are far too weak." This may well be right. The problem is that we don't know what Barack Obama is thinking.

Health reform, remember, is a long game. The Senate Finance Committee will not write the health reform bill. They will just write their version of it. Then it will merge with the HELP Committee's version. Then it will be amended on the floor of the Senate. Then it will be merged with the House's health reform bill in a process called "conference committee." Then that bill will return for a final vote.

So here's a question that few have asked, and that virtually no one knows the answer to: How important is conference committee to the way the White House is looking at health care? I've heard it's pretty important. Heard the same thing about Harry Reid, actually. If that's true, then this is what the Democratic leadership is thinking: The overriding imperative right now is to keep health reform alive. That's all that matters. Get it out of the Finance Committee. Get it off the Senate floor. If it's cut down to half a loaf, fine. You don't fix it now. You fix it in conference. Or you let Henry Waxman do it for you.

That, incidentally, is not an unprecedented strategy. It's what the Bush administration did with Medicare Part D.
The expansion the Senate wrote was genuinely bipartisan: Ted Kennedy and Tom Daschle both voted for the legislation. But the version that came out of conference committee was significantly more conservative. Kennedy and Daschle abandoned the bill. Democrats began organizing against legislation they had previously supported. It passed anyway.

It passed because it's hard to filibuster bills emerging from conference. You can't change them, for one thing. No amendments are allowed. Nor is there time for debate. You vote for the bill, you vote against the bill, or you filibuster the bill. Those are your options. Democrats are likely to walk out of conference committee with 60 senators in their party. Ben Nelson will not be able to ask to change this bit he doesn't like, and Evan Bayh will not be allowed to offer an amendment weakening that piece. They stand with the White House or against it. And it is, in the estimation of most observers I've talked to, hard to imagine them literally filibustering the final vote on health reform. The White House would torture them until they lost reelection. And if no Democrats are willing to filibuster, then the White House could lose as many as 10 of them and still pass the bill.

At his press conference this week, Obama snapped back at a question from Chuck Todd. “I know everybody here is on a 24-hour news cycle," he said. "I’m not.” He's also not on a partial legislative cycle. He wants to sign a bill in October. That's the goal. The bill the Senate Finance Committee writes in June matters only insofar as it affects the bill Obama gets in October. And there are scenarios in which it's very important for that final bill and scenarios in which it's not very important at all. The problem is we don't know which playbook the White House is working from.


Photo credit: Associated Press Photo.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/what_is_the_white_house_thinki.html


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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:50 PM
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1. he's right
Conference committee is where it all comes to pass.

The HELP committee's bill has the public option right?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:03 PM
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6. Yes.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:10 PM
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7. then why all the freaking out?
who cares what Max Baucus puts in his bill?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:14 PM
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11. People don't understand the mechanics of deciding what is going to end up in the bill.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:20 PM
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12. I guess not
what's worse is that on a subconscious level, people think the president is a king who has the power to do things at will, but "corporate interests" control him.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 09:36 AM
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23. Why All The Freaking Out??? That's What DU Is For!
People love to freak out! What would DU be w/out people unnecessarily freaking out?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:51 PM
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2. I do agree on some level with this...just don't let it die
Changes can be made in the conference committee. Baucus has such a big ego he has to get his final word in via the Finance committee. However, its one thing to not let a bill die and then make good changes to it...quite another to just end up with a crappy, weak bill. We shall see.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:53 PM
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3. Yay! A Voice of Reason

These folks are not amateurs - - Obama and his core team. They understand how the legislative process works, and this article spells out what I think is their most likely strategy. The Finance Committee bill was never going to be ideal anyway; the best idea is to get it out of there, just as Mr. Klein says, and that gets the Finance Committee off of the "front page," and makes them effectively irrelevant going forward.

Yeah, CTLawguy, the HELP bill absolutely has a public option. That's Ted Kennedy's bill, and what he's called his life's cause.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:11 PM
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8. thanks!
nice avatar! Gotta get back to Fenway at some point!
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 10:30 AM
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25. np

I haven't been back myself in several seasons now, since before the (still fun to say and write it) TWO TITLES. :-)

Don't sweat this - - it will get done with a public option. I have faith.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 07:58 PM
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4. I sure hope so. I just sent a really desperate email to both of my Democratic
Senators and I was panicking. This sounds more hopeful.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:11 PM
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9. I know. I could see the panicking happening. I wanted to help stem the rising tide of
panic starting to envelope people. :)

However, I don't want to stop anyone from sending desperate e-mails to their Senators and Reps.

I just got a tweet from Barack Obama asking me to tweet my member of Congress (me and the 1,843,152 other people following him on Twitter) - see below:

BarackObama Are you calling & writing members of congress re: health insurance reform? Now you can tweet them too: http://bit.ly/vIe0J


http://twitter.com/BarackObama
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:02 PM
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5. Get it out of Max Baucus' hands
The sooner, the better. DON'T let him make any 'side deals' before it leaves Finance.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:26 PM
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18. Baucus had giveaways to Pharma. Are they binding if measure changes?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:12 PM
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10. and after it passes and becomes a law we still fight on


It still won't be single payer but the momentum will have changed and we will never stop.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 09:09 PM
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13. What pisses me off is how long Baucus took
Edited on Mon Jul-27-09 09:24 PM by SpartanDem
we all knew that the finance bill was going to be the shittiest, it also was supposed to have been the first reported out. This dumbass fucked up the entire schedule for this worthless bill.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 09:22 PM
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14. True. Why did we have to wait forever for his piece of crap.
;(
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 10:13 PM
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15. Hmmmm........"torture them until they lost re-election"
Interesting idea :evilgrin:
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:18 PM
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17. Sounds like fun to me.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:17 PM
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16. kick
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 06:08 AM
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19. kick
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 06:50 AM
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20. We whine and chicken little over every change now but he's right: Conference Committee is everything
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 06:55 AM by HamdenRice
Right now, we're watching lots of Kabuki theater, thinking that options are being closed off. What we're really seeing is wish lists by Blue Dogs and obstructionists.

The bill will be re-written in Conference Committee. That's really the only committee that counts.

The problem is that the Conference Committee can only work with what is given to them by the two houses. It can take away, but it generally can't add. So public option has to go into at least one version of what gets to the Conference Committee.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 11:27 PM
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28. Very interesting,
thanks HR. :hi:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 08:50 AM
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21. Good article.
Calm down, people. DON'T PANIC!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 09:31 AM
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22. I say let it die until 2011.
"Success" (defined as passing just any old bill so that the President can say he got something done) is worse than doing nothing at all. This is how we got NAFTA, the destruction of AFDC, and Telecom 96. It is not enough for Democrats to crow about success and just pass legislation. We need for the legislation produced to be actually good for the American people.

I think the three bills being considered are bad for the American people and will be a disaster for the Democratic Party if one of them passes.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 09:37 AM
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24. SHHHHH!!!!! The Bashers Might Have No Reason To Continue Bashing!!
Stop injecting sanity into the conversation!!!

Great post!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:32 PM
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26. who is on the conference committee?
i keep asking. somebody must know.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 08:16 PM
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27. I don't think it is decided yet but, you are right, that will be key.
First, they have to get something out of the Senate Finance Committee and the House Energy and Commerce Committee, reconcile them within the other Committee proposals and pass them - before we even get to the Conference Committee.

We have a lot of steps left and every one of them is going to be like pulling teeth with the Blue Dogs or Senate "Centrists" threaten to go off the reservation over any little thing or the progressives going to do the same because of the crappy accommodations made for the friggin blue dog assholes. Ugghhhhhh!

There is a reason this hasn't been done already and this process is proving it once again.
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