Kelly King Speaks Out In Defense Of Crowley

[masuki bance]

Female Police Officer Speaks Out-

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/26/nr.comrade.in.arms.cnn

[SemiCharmedQuark]

1. Police defend their own? This is not shocking. The thin blue line and all of that.

Is this supposed to be some kind of revelation?

[masuki bance]

2. Wow, now you are going to say that these police officers are lying

to protect him. What do you base that on? Don't you think if they actually thought that what he did was wrong, they could just keep their mouths shut and stay away from Crowleys side, just leave him out hanging on his own?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

5. I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying that they are extremely likely to give him the benefit of

the doubt because they work with him and because there is an unspoken rule that police stand up for each other.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

7. In addition, since you don't like edits, I'll say that i put it somewhere like when a family member

stands up for another family member. Is that family member lying? No, not necessarily, but they are likely to trust and see the best in the person in question and give them the benefit of the doubt.

[boppers]

8. "Fellow officers try to defend unconstitutional abuse of power".

They don't think they're doing anything wrong.

That's the problem.

[masuki bance]

3. That's your third edit, why do you keep changing what your post is about? nt

[SemiCharmedQuark]

6. Well, I've said the same thing all three times: That police standing up for each other is not

shocking.

I edited because I thought my first post "Police Standing up for police. Shocking. Or something." Something to that effect was too sarcastic and would invite sarcastic replies. Then I edited to add the concept of the Thin Blue Line. Then I edited again for clarity. Either way, no edits removed swears, cusses or changed the basic idea: Police supporting each other is not really evidence of anything.

[MellowDem]

4. Surprised there aren't more responses...

My personal feeling is that Crowley wrongfully arrested Gates, but I don't think it was racially motivated from what I have seen so far.

For one thing, I think it's kinda hard to racially profile Gates if Crowley had no description of Gates until he knocked on his door. He wasn't there because Gates was black, he was responding to a possible break-in where the suspects were never described fully.

Anything after that would just be racial discrimination. And of course this is the part that's the hardest to tell since the information is just he said he said. But from the sound of it, Gates was being disagreeable and perhaps even rude and Crowley was not professional and overreacted to Gates.

If Crowley really was so racist as to do something as public as arrest a black man for living in a home, why would he even work in a police force that has other blacks in it? How could he get along with them? How could he get selected by his black boss for training on racial sensitivity? Wouldn't he hate having such a duty if he was that racist? He sure shows some weird times to show his racist ways if that's the case.

And you would think that other black officers would have some suspicions of Crowley as a racist by now if he really was, they definitely wouldn't be sticking up for him. But who knows, he could be incredibly good at hiding his racism.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

10. But aside from the race issue, they are backing up the arrest. That is speaking to whether or not

they have the right to arrest someone for being obnoxious.

[MellowDem]

12. I know...

though for some reason I think it's the race issue that is giving them the leverage to ignore the fact that Gates was wrongfully arrested (for whatever reason).

It could be that Crowley was technically lawfully allowed to arrest Gates, I really don't know what Massachussetts law says, but either way it stinks. Crowley was more in the wrong for abusing his power in an overreaction, whether it was motivated racially obviously, or just from being peeved by Gates.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. So one pig is defending another pig that falsified a police report

Shocking!!!

:sarcasm:

[mzmolly]

11. Just recommended and there are now zero votes.

People don't want to hear the other side apparently? I'm guessing that Professor Gates genuinely believed he was targeted due to race, and the office genuinely did what he felt was best. People often squabble over small details regarding various events, that doesn't mean anyone "lied" per se. Anyone who's ever had a relationship knows this. ;)

Good grief! I look forward to Beer day at the White House. It's time to talk about health care!

[Solomon]

23. No, you're right. Gates wasn't trageted because he

was black. But he was fucked with because he's black. Why do people keep confusing the cop's right to go to the scene
with the fact that he had no right to continue after Gates identified himself?

A hook to hang your hat on.

[mzmolly]

29. I don't have all the facts.

I can't possibly pretend that I know what either man was thinking. What I honestly believe is that both men feel they are right in their perception of events.

[jefferson_dem]

13. I realize you just got marching orders from sludge...

but this video is over two days old and beyond moot.

Try again?

[masuki bance]

18. I posted this before Drudge put up his link. Try again. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Going along to get along? n/t

[firedupdem]

15. who gives a shit? n/t

[donheld]

16. There's no defense for lying

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. So you defend racism yet find sexism where there's none?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8465663#8465663

Loved your nonsensical defense, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8465663#8465666

[masuki bance]

20. Hmmm.., let me think.. I seem to remember.. oh yeah! Letterman apologized. nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

21. And he said he would never have joked about a 14 y/o, yet you think he actually did.

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSTRE55F0E320090616

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8461836&mesg_id=8462657

So to recap, you think David Letterman joked about a minor being raped, yet Henry Gates being arrested on his own property for being in his house has no racism involved whatsoever.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Thanks for the best example possible of why I say cops can fucking go to hell.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Cops almost always back other cops and those that don't still get out of the way.

They never do anything wrong and of course there are no systemic issues.

[joeglow3]

It is sad how many judgemental, stereotyping people are here

I HATE this kind of hypocrisy. We are supposed to be the party of understanding. We are supposed to be the party that does not resort to prejudices. We are supposed to be the party that judges each person individually.

And yet, I am literally sick to my stomach with the sheer number of people here who judge ALL cops. Are you really any better than the majority on the right who judge just about everyone based on groupings?

[JTFrog]

25. Says you. Here are some Justice Department Statistics:

Cases in which police, prison guards and other law enforcement authorities have used excessive force or other tactics to violate victims' civil rights have increased 25% from fiscal years 2001 to 2007 over the previous seven years, according to Justice Department statistics.

Federal records show the vast majority of police brutality cases referred by investigators are not prosecuted due to the CODE OF SILENCE amongst police officers.

In its post-Sept. 11 reorganization, the FBI listed police misconduct as one of its highest civil rights priorities to keep pace with an anticipated increase in police hiring through 2009.

Talk about making someone literally sick to their stomach. :shrug:

[joeglow3]

26. So you support this crap being spewed in this very thread:

"I say cops can fucking go to hell."
"So one pig is defending another pig that falsified a police report"

I can pull out stats showing in 2005 blacks represented 13% of the population, but accounted for over half of muggings and murders. Is this justification for the crap spewed by many from the right? Using your logic, it would appear so.

[JTFrog]

27. Another contortionist I see.

I'm sure you can copy and paste the part of my post that uses the word support.

You made a generalization about "the sheer number of people here who judge ALL cops". THE MAJORITY of the people HERE address one case at a time and don't have to contort themselves to twist facts around to make a case.

You said it makes you sick, but I just don't see "sheer numbers" attacking all cops. I do however see some disturbing facts and numbers about abuse of authority that make me sick to my stomach.

Since it went over your head, let's just say that you told us what makes you sick, and I replied in turn what makes me sick. If you can contort that enough I'm sure you can find a way to say that I pal around with terrorists.

[Political Heretic]

31. "The majority of people HERE address one case at a time."

:rofl:

Bullshit.

[JTFrog]

24. Wow, I guess there is just no end to the contortionist apologists cognitive dissonance here.

They really just can't handle the truth.

They can't defend or explain this shit with logic so they are just reaching for anything they can grasp.

Shouldn't be too painful for those that started with their head in their asses anyway.



I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya.. that the cops are sticking together on this one. :eyes:

[Political Heretic]

32. The arrest was wrong. But so are some of the further speculative conclusions drawn by many

[Political Tiger]

28. Who is Kelly King and why should we care about what she says? n/t

[angee_is_mad]

30. blue wall of silence

just like there were black cops when Rodney King got beat down.

Believe me, kelly king's POV is in the minority in the black community.