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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:45 PM
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Time for the polls to start showing Americans opposed to everything (update 2)
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 05:57 PM by ProSense
July 29, 2009, 3:00 pm

New Poll: Bring Down Debt, Don’t Spend More

By Dalia Sussman

Most Americans continue to want the federal government to focus on reducing the budget deficit rather than spending money to stimulate the national economy, a new New York Times/CBS News poll finds. Yet at the same time, most oppose some proposed solution for decreasing it.

Fifty-six percent of respondents said that they were not willing to pay more in taxes in order to reduce the deficit, and nearly as many said they were not willing for the government to provide fewer services in areas such as health care, education and defense spending.

Preference for deficit reduction ahead of spending to boost the economy peaks at 79 percent among Republicans, and also includes 60 percent of independents. It falls below half, to 43 percent, among Democrats.

Views of some solutions to the high deficit reflect underlying political philosophies, the poll found. Democrats are the most opposed to having fewer government services – 62 percent are against it, compared with 50 percent of independents and 45 percent of Republicans. Republicans, for their part, are broadly opposed to paying more in taxes – 69 percent are, compared with 56 percent of independents and 48 percent of Democrats.

The nationwide telephone poll was conducted July 24-28 with 1,050 adults, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. More results from this survey will be available this evening at www.nytimes.com.

(emphasis added)

Where the hell did that come from?

Updated to add:

Poll: Public dissatisfaction growing with Obama, other Democrats

<...>

Overall, Obama and the Democrats still have popular support.

The survey found that 53 percent of likely voters approve of the way that Obama is doing his job. It also found that the president and congressional Democrats had an advantage over Republicans on such issues and characteristics as health care, energy independence, honesty and middle class values.

"Obama continues to be very strong as a personal brand. Voters still like him," Lake said at a breakfast with reporters.

Yet he's facing public skepticism about his agenda, and potential problems with the key voting bloc of independents.

A solid majority of 61 percent, for example, said that Obama was spending too much money. A similar majority of 63 percent said he was trying to do too many things at once.

Skepticism was rampant among Republicans but also evident among independents.

Among independents, the poll found Obama's job approval dropping to 42 percent and his disapproval rising to 50 percent. Of that 50 percent who disapprove, the vast majority disapprove strongly, the poll found.

Independents also were much more likely than Democrats to say that Obama is spending too much money — 76 percent of independents said that — and is trying to do too much — 68 percent of independents.

<...>


Now lets look at these recent polls:

Poll: "Seven in 10 Americans favor the passage of new healthcare reform legislation"

Voters settle on a public plan

Wow thing sure have gone down hill since...Friday.




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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:46 PM
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1. Poll shows what we all know: Americans are stoo-ped.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:50 PM
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2. And selfish.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:51 PM
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3. and gullible.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 07:20 PM
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14. Mostly gullible.
That's the only thing that can explain why during the last 8 years they could have cared less about the deficit. Now it is in vogue to hyperventilate over it.

Funny how spending $120,000 a year on Iraq, a country roughly with the same population as California, is "supporting the troops" and liberating the people despite the fact that the vast majority of the money does neither, while $100,000 a year on health care for every American is outrageous. Only gullibility can explain that.

We've spent trillion of dollars on the military industrial complex and corporate interests, but now when we are going to spend our money on the American people, they start spitting tacks. Again, only gullibility can explain that.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:52 PM
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4. Drowning in dipshittery and starving for a clue
Hope our creditors overseas don't start scrutinizing the quality of their investment.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:55 PM
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5. GOP is winning the meme wars. Again.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:57 PM
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7. Of course...
How hard is it to win the battle when you've got Democrats, the media, Republicans, conservatives and 'moderates' all on your side.

The only person on our side currently who has any visibility is Pres. Obama.

He's up against an army and no one will fucking come to his side.

Fuck Pelosi.

Fuck Reid.

Fuck every senator and congressperson out there not doing their part.

FUCK THEM ALL.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:56 PM
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6. That poll shows people are smart.
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 05:57 PM by RandomThoughts

And for those that use those polls to say people are stupid. They are missing a logical thought.

80% of the people should not have higher taxes.
80% of people should not have services cut.

Because it is the drive of money to the top of a economic delivery system that puts that 80% already in a difficult situation.

Post the poll that asks if people making millions skimming money from insurance payments and federal bailouts should have a higher progressive tax.

Then they would say.

80% of the people should not have higher taxes.
80% of people should not have services cut.

But 20% should be paying more of what they get from the economic system and the work of the people in the other 80%

The entire question avoids that the tax structure is not progressive enough.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:58 PM
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9. That poll shows
the media frame is whack. They are using a decrease in services to imply that somehow this is where things are heading.

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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:58 PM
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8. My fear is...
that things are going to have to get worse yet, before people finally realize they have to choose between tax cuts and public services; you can't have both.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:01 PM
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10. There are 305 million people in this country
Some quack "polls" 1000 people and claims that that speaks for the nation.

Absurd.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:19 PM
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11. What makes all polling at this point moot.
There is no health care plan yet. There are many competing proposals.

"The economy" is not going to begin creating jobs until sometime next year - if then. That problem is structural and has almost nothing to do with any policy put forth by this administration.

The deficits are going to be high for the foreseeable future. This has far more to do with sagging growth than anything this administration has done or not done.

In other words, polls reflect the worsening economic climate, which is largely a product of the last administration. You might as well put the name G.W. Bush in there for Obama.

The US citizen is as reflexive as a three year old. If/when the global economy picks up, so will the polling. The important thing is to keep working to solve these severe problems and let the polls and the pundits waste each other's time.

Keep your eye on the ball instead of the bread and circus.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:20 PM
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12. So people don't want the Government to spend. But expect the govt to help gt the economy going?
No wonder this country is in the shitter. The people are fucking stupid
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:45 PM
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13. It's the media frame that's stupid. n/t
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 06:45 PM by ProSense
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 07:57 PM
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15. That's why we shouldn't let voters decide stuff like this with ballot measures
Seriously, if this was truly a representative government that did what 50% +1 of the people wanted on fiscal issues then the government would declare bankruptcy in no time, because voters would vote to give themselves no taxes, while still giving themselves lots of expensive benefits & services from the government.
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