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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:15 AM
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A Better Defense of Obama

A Better Defense of Obama

by brooklynbadboy

The recommended diary titled "Obama is President not the Champion of Progressives" is a defense of the President based on the idea that he should seek to govern all the people. While I agree with this idea in theory, it seems to be a rather weak line of defense.

I'd like to offer a better one. The one the President himself makes. The one that, to me, makes the most sense.

Here it is, in a nutshell:

The President said, during his news conference on March 24, 2009:

And what that tells me is that if you stick to it, if you are persistent, then -- then these problems can be dealt with.

That whole philosophy of persistence, by the way, is one that I'm going to be emphasizing again and again in the months and years to come, as long as I'm in this office. I'm a big believer in persistence. I think that when it comes to domestic affairs, if we keep on working at it, if we acknowledge that we make mistakes sometimes and that we don't always have the right answer and we're inheriting very knotty problems, that we can pass health care, we can find better solutions to our energy challenges, we can teach our children more effectively, we can deal with a very real budget crisis -- that is not fully dealt with in my budget at this point, but makes progress.

That's it. Work. Work. Work.

You see, I elected a president who wanted to take on the tough issues that face this country. From war, to healthcare, to the economy, to education, to the rule of law, to urban affairs...you name it. And I know it would have been easy to do what many many previous presidents have done during the conservative era: ignore them. The President could have easily rammed through a big tax cut for everyone and simply sit on his high approval numbers for giving everyone what they want.

Not Obama. He has taken on the thorniest, most complex, most difficult, complicated challenges of our new century. And he's done it a time where the 4th Estate has been compltely derelect in its duties. And for that, he should not only be commended, but supported.

I know that I have all the right answers, but I'm not president. But the main point is, FINALLY, we have a President who is willing to force us to examine just what it is we are doing in this country. You may not agree with his choices, but you certainly can't call him a coward.

Thats enough for me to stick with him. Progress wont come overnight, but as long as he is WORKING, I have the confidence that America will get it right and keep moving forward.

Thank you.



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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:31 AM
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1. Thanks for a good thread.
I'm tired of the shit coming from this site. I'm tired of listening to twits who say they have these third party connection who say Obama is a failure. I'm like the guy is taking the most heat. I mean he's really working and people are ready to get him and the our Dem Congress out there. Yet he's not doing enough. Fuckin' hell. Obviously then what we're seeing him of doing Townhalls and meeting with people apparently is just a double and he's in Bora Bora sipping on fuckin' pina colada.

I'm really tired of the shit on this site and it's only these rays from time to time that make it worth while. Thanks.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:45 AM
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2. i thank you, too.
this place is infested with trolls, but it is also true that the media is piling it on to the point that joe citizen is trying to figure out why the guy doesn't just commit suicide. it's making me crazy.
even my local dems are getting cynical. they are swallowing the bull as fast as they can.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:03 AM
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3. Good read. The Dems hated it when Bush catered to the fundies
ignoring the opinions of the rest of the country, but now Progressives want President Obama to do exactly the same thing -- cater to them with no regard for anyone else.

Progressives need to realize they are not the majority of the Democratic party and certainly not the majority of the country.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:54 AM
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8. More to the point, DUers need to recognize we're not the majority of the party or the country.
People here tend to live too much in the bubble, and think that our opinions are always necessarily mainstream.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:34 AM
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4. krnt!
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:39 AM
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5. Another strawman critique
I tire of these strawman critiques of progressives. No list of actual criticisms coming from people who self identify as progressives. Progressives have specific objections to many of Obama's actual actions. And in many cases they are actions that would have been found objectionable by the whole of the democratic party under Bush. He made promises to keep lobbiest out of his White House and now he obscures which ones he consulted in February on health care reform. Folks are having to sue just to find out who he was talking to. We find out he made a "deal" with the drug lobby which basically protects them much as Bush did when he prevented the government from negotiating lower prices on drugs under Medicaid Part B. He is doubling down AGAIN in Afghanistan. He is continuing the withdrawl plan laid out by Bush in Iraq. He went to the CIA and told them he would protect those who tortured.

If one wants to "defend" Obama, defend these actions. If one wants to complain about progressives, explain why progressives shouldn't be complaining about these, and other, actions.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:45 AM
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6. Exactly
perfectly stated. Actions and policies, not personalities.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:53 AM
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7. " strawman critiques of progressives" Do you even know what strawman means?
The recommended diary titled "Obama is President not the Champion of Progressives"


Not only isn't it a strawman, it has nothing to do with criticizing progressives.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:56 AM
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9. First line
I guess I was mislead by the first line in the post then.

The recommended diary titled "Obama is President not the Champion of Progressives"
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:56 AM
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10. For the umpteenth time, THERE IS NO DRUG COMPANY DEAL.
Most of the stuff that people on DU have gotten their knickers in a twist about has either been totally false bullshit, stuff that has been propagated by the remaining Bush personell in the government, or things done and said by people in the administration who are not Obama.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:06 AM
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11. Not that excuse
"or things done and said by people in the administration who are not Obama".

We got this out of the Bush folks too. Look, if Rahm says it, that's the same as Obama saying it, get it? He has a big staff, and they all speak for him. Short of Gibbs coming out and saying that it's not true, if there is an agreement with folks empowered to make these agreements, then "Obama" did it.
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wininboy Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:21 AM
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12. I tired of that excuse with the torture debate
with Obama going round talking about "looking forward, not backward" while the fan base screamed "but it's not Obama's job. It's Holders' job"
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Strong Atheist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:52 PM
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14. Welcome to DU!



:toast:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:25 AM
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13. Damn, another great ProSense OP. Take THAT uber-critical sky-is-falling-ists!
I'm convinced that many people in the world are only in their happy place when they're in outrage mode.

Recommended.
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