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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:12 PM
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I'm livid. My sons' school has caved in to the wing nuts!
I received an e-mail message from the school telling me that "due to the controversy" over the President's talk Tuesday, the broadcast will only be available to middle and high-school students during lunch in the Auditeria (an alternative lunchroom and theater) during the students' lunch periods. Elementary students won't get a chance to see it at all because "that should be up to the parents."

I e-mailed the administrator back and asked why on earth should our President's message about making good grades and studying hard should be controversial; please fill me in.

Un-friggin-believable.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:15 PM
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1. Organize fellow parents who support the right of the students to see Obama
If you have to picket outside the school .... we are seeing the rule of the minority.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:18 PM
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10.  I have to be careful. I work there, too.
It's just a little part-time job for three hours twice a week, but I'm very attached to the children I see every day and I also get to see my two boys. I do plan to pursue this, though.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:23 PM
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18. smart thinking
but you should get in touch w/ the ACLU or some local law school to see if they can look @ the case ....
rule of the minority.

Remember when the other President wanted to see students? Did one person say he didn't have the right
to see them?
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. Believe me, I'm not going to let this drop.
It is a racist decision at the very least.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:08 AM
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51. The Republicans have succeeded in destroying America.
I feel sorry for the next generation. They will inherit a nation that is as divided as in was during the Civil War. Vicious unfounded attacks on the president that would have never been tolerated during most of my life time are treated as credible news by the press rather than being condemned. The Republican representatives rather than condemning this behavior either applaud it or give credence to it by their silence. What a miserable state.

Mission accomplished! Congratulations Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage and the insane Beck along with the entire FOX crew of liars who have polarized the nation.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:15 PM
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2. Now it'ss "CONTROVERSIAL" for a President of the United States of America
to speak to school children.

God HELP America.

Please.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:16 PM
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3. Disgusting isn't it? n/t
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:17 PM
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7. Oh yeah. And then some.
Myself, I'm about ready to wash my hands of the US of A.

Teh Stupid is just too fucking much already.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:34 PM
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29. Agreed. It physically sickens me. nt
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:16 PM
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4. What state?
I try to tell myself it's only the racist south. But I know full well all I have to do is go 200 miles east to Idaho. I really am tired of this stupid ass country.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:19 PM
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12. This is a charter school in Boulder county, Colorado!!!
Surprised?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #12
28. I'm next door in Adams County.
Our Supt made it opt-out.

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 10:24 AM
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63. Fucking shit! Really?
I'm a Boulder native who is currently out of state, but I have a sister in Boulder who I'm certain would be very interested to learn about this.

Could you please PM me the details?
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:17 PM
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5. So the parents who want their kids to see the speech have no
say in the matter? What about their right to have their children participate? I would be livid too!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:17 PM
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9. Sure they do. They can take them out of school during the speech.
That's what I'd do even if I had to take a vacation day at work.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:22 PM
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17. Good idea, and let the school know why. I just feel that the
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 08:23 PM by alsame
parents who object to the speech should be the ones who are inconvenienced, not the ones who are okay with it.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:46 PM
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37. True, but it is what it is and, as someone mentioned, if the minority are going to try to "rule,"
members of the majority are going to have to take a stand.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:48 PM
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38. Agreed. The important thing is that the kids get to see it. nt
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:17 PM
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6. If it's up to the parents, then you should take your child out of school to see it.
Seriously, I'd email back and say something like "I'll be picking my child up at ___ o'clock and returning him to school after the President's speech."
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:56 PM
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65. Agreed. I'd also explain that my child will get an education about how
racism is still alive and well in the US. I'd add that someday the schools who refused to show the speech will be rightfully included in the historical record as capitulating to and perhaps even engaging in racism.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:17 PM
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8. Where do you live?
Have the heard of tape delayed messages?
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:20 PM
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15. Colorado.
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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:19 PM
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11. Good grief.
What is wrong with these people?
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:19 PM
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13. Take your kid out of school for the day...
That will get your School Administration's attention. Money Talks.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:20 PM
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14. Please call the superintendent and tell him that you think he is a racist
if enough people do it it will sting.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. The race card is still the most effective card to play in situations
like this. This is what I would do. I don't know why people hesitate using it when it's as clear as day this is all about our President being AA.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:24 PM
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20. The message I received made it sound like the school district agreed with the decision.
This is a charter school but still part of the District. I'll be very curious to see how other district schools handle this "controversy." I'll be watching and making note.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:22 PM
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16. Tell your school that your son will be staying home to watch the speech
and will report to school after lunch.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:29 PM
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24. Both my boys are in secondary.
My oldest, a junior, says he plans to round up as many juniors as he can to watch. My youngest is in middle school and he is also going to watch it in the Audateria during lunch. If I still had an elementary student, however, I would stay home from my other job on Tuesday and take my kids home to watch it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:27 PM
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21. This is sickening and more proof that the hateradio jockeys
rule the brainwashed idiots in our country.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:28 PM
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22. IT'S BECAUSE HE'S BLACK.
There I said it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:37 PM
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33. They're afraid their children will see something that contradicts the hate that they promote.
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 08:37 PM by patrice
They're afraid that their children will see something that prooves that they lie.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:48 PM
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67. WOW - NAILED IT!

I hadn't thought of that angle.

This requires them to know, at some level, they are liars.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:56 PM
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44. Yep
I've been around a long time and I've never heard of anything this outrageous. Can you imagine a radio address by FDR being too controversial for a school? This is teaching children a lack of respect for the government and the office of the President of the United States.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:19 AM
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55. Not to mention a lack of respect for democratically elected officials
based on skin color and political party.

Who's next on the list? Democratically elected Women? Muslims? Gays? Hispanics? They all serve in Congress.

We already have idiots in the military refusing to serve under their Commander in Chief for discriminatory reasons.

This has to be nipped in the bud....I'm just not sure how.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 10:35 AM
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64. The ":how" is a tough one
I can't think of any precedent for this situation. Sadly we're seeing the result of too many years of a failed educational system, one that does not put a very high priority on classes in government and civics. When I was in school, we couldn't graduate without passing civics and political science.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
66. Indeed you did and you are correct!
:grr:
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:29 PM
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23. My school system, Loudoun County
in Northern Virginia, will not be showing it at all. Their excuse? Logistics! It just too busy on the first day of school, they say. I say what
better day to talk to kids about the importance of education.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:31 PM
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26. cowardly weak dems are afraid to stand up to the white racist republicans LOLOLOLOLOl nt
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:45 PM
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36. Pathetically sad but true. n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:33 PM
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27. Write a letter to the school board.
Why is the school caving to misinformed political pressure for an event that is not political in any way? If certain parents don't want their precious little snowflakes to suffer exposure to the President Of The United States, it should be their responsibility to pull them out of school that one day. The rest of the school shouldn't change the entire schedule just for a few ignorant malcontents.

Copy the principal & send it to your local newspaper.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:34 PM
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30. What a bunch of crap!
Did this ever happen when Bush was addressing schools? I just saw the headline on Yahoo news that "parents angry over Obama's address to students"! The media continues to give voice only to the wingnuts and ignores everything else.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:49 PM
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49. Our school never shut down classes
to go hear Bush give a talk to kids, not once in 8 years.

I don't understand the anger on either side, to be honest. It's a speech. It will be taped. For parents whose kids won't see it in school, they can tape it on tv at home, or they can watch it online at home, or they can go to a public library if they don't have internet access at home. It's not like the school is preventing anyone from hearing the speech, and it's not as though the speech will be less relevant a few hours later.

I'm confident the parents who feel it's important will find a way for their kids to view it.

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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:35 PM
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31. It's definitely spreading--GOP leaders in Oklahoma are now
screaming about kids having to learn "how to serve Obama." I swear to god, they're like lemmings--one jumps off the cliff and they all follow right along.

Such f**king crap . . . .
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:36 PM
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32. Have a speech watching party and alert the press.
I think you'd get some good out of it, and the kids would get a great lesson in civics.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:39 PM
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34. Tell him you're keeping your kids home
so they can see the broadcast.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:41 PM
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35. The President can speak to anyone he wants
your school system is a disgrace! Camp outside the school offices with banners!
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:53 PM
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39. My child's school won't show it either and I am so angry about this.
XXX District is pleased that it will have the opportunity to tape President Barack Obama’s speech scheduled on Tuesday, September 8TH, 2009. The District will record it and apply the standard process for reviewing instructional materials; and make it available as a supplement to instruction to enhance established Sunshine State Standards. Tuesday will be a normal day of instruction.”

First of all I am angry that they are using my child as a political pawn to satisfy the demands of RW nuts. Secondly, this is censorship of someone they disagree with politically and it is discrimination due to political views IMO. I think I will call our local ACLU office to ask about this. How can they can away with this? What about an opt-out waiver for people who want to keep their kids from seeing the President's speech? Why should all kids be prevented from seeing this just because some object on political grounds??

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #39
50. Tell your school that you'll keep them home that morning to watch the speech
and they'll report for class afterwards.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:10 PM
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40. "due to the controversy?"
Republicans are against children paying attention and learning? Makes sense when you look at their base I suppose.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:10 PM
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41. I wonder how many students were required
to watch the Chimpster. Schools should be enlightened, not caving in to racists and bigots. Are all the schools in CO private or parochial? Public schools should not be intimidated.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:18 PM
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42. Charters can march to their own drummer here. . .
I will post an update after I makes some calls. I may also write a LTTE.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:34 PM
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43. Are they gonna say the Pledge that morning?
Or are they gonna skip it in honor of "Unpatriotic Day"?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:58 PM
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45. use this.....
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/03/arne-duncan/barack-obama-not-first-president-address-school-ch/

"...President George H.W. Bush gave an address to schools nationwide in 1991, from a junior high school in Washington, D.C. News reports from the time said the White House hoped that the address would be shown at schools nationwide, and Bush began his remarks by saying he was talking to "millions" of students "in classrooms all across the country."

You can read Bush's complete remarks via the Web site of his presidential library. Here's an excerpt:

"When it comes to your own education, what I'm saying is take control. Don't say school is boring and blame it on your teachers. Make your teachers work hard. Tell them you want a first-class education. Tell them that you're here to learn. Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart. I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid. ...

"If you don't work hard, who gets hurt? If you cheat, who pays the price? If you cut corners, if you hunt for the easy A, who comes up short? Easy answer to that one: You do. You're in control, but you are not alone. People want you to succeed. They want to help you succeed."

The presidential library noted that the president spoke at 12:15 p.m. and that his remarks were "broadcast live by the Cable News Network, the Public Broadcasting System, the Mutual Broadcasting System, and the NBC radio network."...."
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:59 PM
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46. Did you get a response? (nt)
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NavyMom Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:40 PM
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47. Check the archives for district stand when Bush spoke
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 10:44 PM by NavyMom
print, cache the link THEN forward to school board, trustees, super., all of them and then ask, what is the difference?

BTW not my idea, my son has been doing this ALL NIGHT, finding articles, emails, notices whatever he can from previous presidents speaking to students and has been forwarding to anyone the can think of, including the biggest NUT JOBS he finds from news reports or emails from the school site.

He is having a blast, making t-shirts for the day of the speech "I prefer real freedom, than perceived freedom", and "This is my country too, even though I can't vote.....YET"

I am taking that day off, to save them calling my job because I KNOW he will be sent to the office. This child keeps our life interesting, sometimes too much.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:22 AM
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56. Wow, what a kid!
I'm impressed!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:48 PM
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48. Lafayette may be in Boulder County but it's pretty conservative
Too bad it's getting crazy, too.

I remember when the town was quite tiny before the developments and big roads were built. It was kind of quirky and cute. But it always was in the middle of a rural area. Maybe it's held on to its conservative roots.

Good luck with this dilemma. Hopefully you can, in the end, say, "I told you so" when it turns out that they got their panties in a wad over nothing. Those on the right will look just plain stupid.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:12 AM
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52. They are wing nuts... and they are trying to indoctrinate our kids by default
Not letting them see the duly elected President of the United States is indoctrination, and they are trying to put it off on all the other families
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:13 AM
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53. Keep him home for "patriotic reasons". And why an e-mail? Does your school system assume everyone
Edited on Fri Sep-04-09 09:15 AM by WinkyDink
has a computer?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:16 AM
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54. Ask them if that's what they did when Reagan addressed students
in Nov of '88 or when HW did it in '91. I'd really like to know the answer.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:23 AM
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57. This is what happens
when wingnuts run for school boards....and win en masse.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:25 AM
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58. Pull your kids out of school so they can listen to it at home. n/t
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:27 AM
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59. Complain in writing to the school administration and school board.
Their decision to 'censor' the President's address is an act of political partisanship. They are setting a very bad example and precedent, and should be called on it.
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:34 AM
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60. Ultimately, the solution is for the GOP to suffer several more electoral defeats,
starting with the 2010 mid-terms.
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NavyMom Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:42 AM
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61. Get the kids to network to fight to see at school, my nieces
received messages on facebook to show solidarity by contacting their individual principles or superintendent she is also wearing tape over her mouth at the time of the speech. She said so far there are 95 of her friends from school on board, which just proves it is not the kids but the dumb ass parents some of whom DO NOT have kids in school.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 10:14 AM
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62. Bottom line : The Elite Right is all about keeping the general populace ignorant,
and a Democratic President's speech theme about making the effort to educate yourself is the antithesis of all they stand for.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 06:03 PM
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68. Auditeria?
Lame.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 08:56 PM
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69. The younger the kid,
the more restrictions on classroom content. There's nothing unusual about that.

Elementary students, (at least the younger 3/5,) are still young enough to have been taught not to question what an adult says to them. It's inappropriate, and professional suicide, for a teacher to comment on the content of a politician's speech unless the students can analyze and debate that content.

The parents calling in to my district aren't bitching about the President talking about studying hard and making good grades. They are claiming that he will be encouraging them to support his political agenda. I don't know whether or not that's accurate, but it IS the point of contention.

Personally, I don't see why a parent who wants a child to view the speech should be outraged; if it were me, I'd rather watch the speech WITH my child, and lead the discussion myself.

My school, K-8, can show the speech if we wish later in the day or week. Not live; it starts before school does.
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