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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:29 PM
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Really bad media spin on reconciliation and a trigger.
Roll Call

Baucus had previously set Sept. 15 as the drop-dead date for an agreement, but sources said he wanted to take advantage of the momentum that Democrats expect to gain from President Barack Obama’s health care reform speech to a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night.

One Republican source said Baucus has told the gang that he may present his proposed bill to them as early as today. Any public roll out of a measure would likely not happen until after the Tuesday meeting.

The Finance chairman may try to move forward with a bill that includes the creation of a nonprofit health insurance cooperative that could compete with private insurers, sources said.

The co-op proposal became the bipartisan alternative to Obama and Democratic leadership’s preference of creating a public insurance option. However, Baucus wants to write a bill that could easily be passed using filibuster-proof budget reconciliation rules, and crafting a co-op under those stringent parameters would be difficult, the knowledgeable source said.

Instead, Baucus may opt to join Obama in embracing Snowe’s proposal to establish a “trigger” for the creation of the public plan. Under that scenario, a public plan would not be created unless private insurers fail to cut costs and increase coverage. Either way, any Baucus bill will still have to be merged with a measure passed out of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee in July; that measure includes a public insurance option.

Republican source? Using reconciliation to pass a trigger?


:rofl:




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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:32 PM
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1. Laugh to keep from crying. Blame the media, blame Rahm, blame the blue dogs...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:37 PM
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2. Are you serious?
Clues: 1) The Finance bill isn't going to be the final Senate bill 2) The Senate doesn't need, and would never use, reconciliation to pass a trigger. The statement is moronic.



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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:47 PM
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3. Your endless posts of wishful thinking and attempts to shut down THINKING realists is moronic.
Check this out:

Moyers Special Comment to Obama: "No more Mr. Nice Guy, Mr. President. We need a fighter."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x365594
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:54 PM
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5. Wait, this: "Blame the media, blame Rahm, blame the blue dogs..." is "THINKING"?
I don't need Bill Moyers to tell me what to think. He is probably still pissed about the LBJ incident during the primary for all I know.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:57 PM
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6. And another thing
Claiming a bunch of whining naysers who are freaking out about something they think is happenening, something that changes every time the the media blows smoke, is laughable.

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:01 PM
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9. Methinks you are cornering the market on laughable.
Come join us in the real world, anytime. Here's a good read for you (Matt Taibbi lays it out):

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29988909/sick_and_wrong/print
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:15 PM
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11. Real world?
Here's where we are right now: Before Congress recessed in August, four of the five committees working to reform health care had produced draft bills. On the House side, bills were developed by the commerce, ways and means, and labor committees. On the Senate side, a bill was completed by the HELP committee (Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, chaired by Ted Kennedy). The only committee that didn't finish a bill is the one that's likely to matter most: the Senate Finance Committee, chaired by the infamous obfuscating dick Max Baucus, a right-leaning Democrat from Montana who has received $2,880,631 in campaign contributions from the health care industry.

The game in health care reform has mostly come down to whether or not the final bill that is hammered out from the work of these five committees will contain a public option — i.e., an option for citizens to buy in to a government-run health care plan. Because the plan wouldn't have any profit motive — and wouldn't have to waste money on executive bonuses and corporate marketing — it would automatically cost less than private insurance. Once such a public plan is on the market, it would also drive down prices offered by for-profit insurers — a move essential to offset the added cost of covering millions of uninsured Americans. Without a public option, any effort at health care reform will be as meaningful as a manicure for a gunshot victim. "The public option is the main thing on the table," says Michael Behan, an aide to Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. "It's really coming down to that."

The House versions all contain a public option, as does the HELP committee's version in the Senate. So whether or not there will be a public option in the end will likely come down to Baucus, one of the biggest whores for insurance-company money in the history of the United States. The early indications are that there is no public option in the Baucus version; the chairman hinted he favors the creation of nonprofit insurance cooperatives, a lame-ass alternative that even a total hack like Sen. Chuck Schumer has called a "fig leaf


So each of four committees have passed a bill, and all these bill contain a public option. The horror!

Taibbi, with visionary instincts, writes that this comes down to Baucus' bill. Who knew that the Finance committee bill is part of the package? Taibbi says even Schumer, a member of the Senate leadership, isn't on board with the "lame-ass alternative" Baucus supports, but Taibbi believes this is an indication that Baucus rules the day.

Taibbi conclude that all the horrible progress, four bills that include a public option, is indicative of "How Washington is screwing up health care reform."

More like delusional world.




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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:58 PM
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16. And Baucus version wont be out until Tuesday at the earliest....
..... and that article was written three days ago ....... there's a WHOLE lot of uknown right now .......... and Wednesday cannot get her fast enough! It's like Christmas! lol
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:58 PM
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7. lol now THERE is some wishful thinking!
"mean, angry, butt kickin' Obama!!!" grrrr!!!! ....... sure thing.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:59 PM
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8. Don't you know, if he doesn't get angry, he's going to lose. n/t
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:04 PM
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10. that's right! They dont call him, "Big Drama Obama" for nuthin'!
America wanted a pit bull and a pit bull we got!!!! :mad:

........ wait a minute .......... the pit bull was that other lady.

Nevermind.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:16 PM
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12. "the pit bull was that other lady."
Evidently, being a pit bull isn't enough.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:27 PM
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14. They just want President Obama to be mean
assholes like they are.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:25 PM
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13. I blame you, fuckingchimpy..
I blame your bitter primary shit.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:47 PM
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4. Republicans have proven themselves to be such liars, I can't believe
any reporter would use them as a source about a Democratic bill. That's mindbloggling. I'm suprised the source didn't stick in a line about Obama indoctrinating kids while he's busy making shit up.



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:29 PM
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15. Well they got one thing right - Coops are dead
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