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Sun Sep-06-09 10:40 AM
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Dear Democrats: Can you stand the rain? |
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When Barack Hussein Obama II, was elected there was an overwhelming feeling of pride within the party and the country. Democrats were defeating republicans in a ton of local and national elections. Soon Democrats had a majority in the House and in the Senate. The future looked so bright. You sat there with a look of pride upon your face when president-elect Obama was sworn into office. The possibilities of the good work you would do for the people were limitless.
It's fair to say that a lot of Democrats rode the Obama coattails.. You couldn't turn on the cable news without seeing some Democrat talking up the party and the president's agenda. I'd like to know.. What the heck has changed within the last seven and a half months?Why aren't you out there fighting against republicans who only have one goal; to make sure everything the president proposes fails. The elected republicans have made it clear by their actions and their words that they will support the anti-Obama extremists within their base over the good of the American people.
The elected republicans will trash and bash anything that president Obama does. Be it; talking to schoolchildren, his ideas about health care etc. You know this just as well as I know it; so why are you caving into the pressure from the right? Why won't you fight back? Why won't you call them out when they attack his character, his love for his country, even his place of birth? I don't care if it's Senator A. saying it or a farmer from Alabama; if they’re on TV spouting this bull, you call that network and you get someone on there ASAP to refute their bogus claims. Don't let one darn lie stand!
When the "death panels" nonsense came out, the networks should have been saturated with Democrats slapping those lies down. Everyone should be on the same page when it comes to defending president Obama's good name. I want you to call for people who embrace and encourage the paranoid crazies to step down. Why Does Michelle Bachmann still have a seat?Why are you still negotiating with Chuck "snake in" the Grassley? ( thanks to Ed for that one)
For eights years a lot of you sat there and let the corrupt Bush administration push his agenda though without uttering a word. I don't expect you to go along with everything president Obama does, but I do expect you to stand up for the good of the American people, to stand up to the republican bullies. To not give in to special interest. I myself am at odds at some of President Obama's policies, like same sex marriage, but I do believe that the majority of his policies are good for the country and he's doing what’s best for the American people; unlike his predecessors who was doing what's best for the republican party and what's best for big business.
I want you to go back to the cold January day and feel the same sense of hope that you felt, the same sense of pride that you felt. There will be some bumps in the road and we know what we're up against. We must not let the same forces who destroyed the character of John Kerry destroy President Obama. We must not let the voices who preach hate, fear and division win this fight. "Sunny days, everybody loves them, but can you stand the rain?" I sure hope the answer is yes.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:19 AM
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6. Thank you, and welcome to DU. |
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:22 AM
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7. Dude, that rain you'e feeling is a cat 5 hurricane. |
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:25 AM
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Do you need attention? Why don't you go for a walk or something? This is a good post. Every decent post I see you have come strolling into with your doom and gloom. Dude, smoke a fucking joint and chill, go for a walk, listen to some music you like. Anything but this.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:26 AM
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10. It is not based on reality. It is based on the wishes of those who want Obama to be what they hoped |
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Rather then what he is...
a corporate frontman.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:31 AM
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11. Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. |
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I'm going to keep working. So far you've shown you can type, and you can call names. People who claim to have a lock on the truth before it is fully revealed are most times proven fools.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:53 AM
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18. I noticed a change as soon as he got in office |
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I know that newcomers aren't trusted so take this with a piece of pie with a grain of salt on top.
Just didn't seem like the same guy. Instincts are important and mine told me that even as his staff prepared the new WH, Obama seemed less hopeful. More burdened. His hair has gone white so fast.
I don't know if it's the corps doing all this. I think the fractured state of the electorate and the poor state of the union might be more to blame for the President's impending epic failure on health care.
Every President since Truman has tried this and failed. Even before big pharma and big insurance. This is about two competing views that have existed since Jefferson and Hamilton and it simply isn't going away.
I said this in another post: Divide the Union. Lincoln was right in his time but I don't think he would try to preserve the union in 2009. We're two very different cultures with a middle rapidly being pushed in one way or another.
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Sun Sep-06-09 12:08 PM
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20. I really try not to distrust people. |
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Unless they come off as batshit crazy of course, and you certainly don't. Welcome to DU :hi:! I've learned to take much of what a politician says with a big fat grain of salt. Hell, I learned some of those lessons real hard on Jan 30, 2008 and beyond.
I think the few people who spend their energies attacking the man are missing the point. They don't understand the process and they are impatient for progress. After the last 8, or some would say 30 years, I can understand how they feel.
I'm willing to give it until Wednesday before I just off the deep end.
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Sun Sep-06-09 04:58 PM
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32. Ignore is your friend. n/t |
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:25 AM
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9. Very pretty, but empty. Obama doesn't fight the fight and brings on the storm... |
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I can weather battles....
I welcome them.
What I won't abide by is Obama fronting the policies of the corporate masters and acting as if he is some champion of the people...
If you notice the threads upset with Obama, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the right wing radicals or division. It has to do with Obama selling out, appointing lobbyists and corporate stooges to main posts and not even BEGINNING to fight the fight for health reform.
Your post is disingenious...trying to keep alive the illusion of a man that doesn't exist.
Obama is a corporate frontman and his actions speak a zillion times louder then words.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:33 AM
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12. imo people are clinging to the hope that they weren't conned... |
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As disappointed as I am about the corporate influence in the WH, I'd love my growing suspicions to be proven wrong. imo the president still has a chance to turn things around ~ right now, this piece makes sense to me: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8627603
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:35 AM
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The country is too fractured and bi-polar to agree on anything. Even a man of considerable charisma such as Obama couldn't pull his own party together.
I think we're at a point now where political majorities in the federal government mean very little and opinions and ambitions on the right and left have become so divisive that there is no reconciliation possible.
I favor a division of the union. Don't ask me the why's or how's because I simply don't know. I just know a division of this country into more manageable and agreeable regions would best serve the interests of the citizens in each respective part.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:50 AM
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It's the apologists for the administration who are in denial and not able to come to terms with what Obama represents, or their politics are so shallow they now embrace the status quo simply because of new branding.
Whether in education, economic, national security, or environmental policy, Obama's choices speak for themselves...he has a cautious and conservative temperament and is clearly a creature of the establishment, beholden to corporate interests.
His election is yet another sign that our political class cannot safe itself or the country from the free-market rot that began under Reagan.
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Sun Sep-06-09 04:34 PM
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do you have in mind that will do any better?
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Sun Sep-06-09 04:53 PM
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30. That really is not the point, is it? |
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I voted for him and do not think he is doing a good job at all.
Continuing the failed policies of the last 8 years is not my idea of doing "any better."
Give me an argument, not a dodge.
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Sun Sep-06-09 06:00 PM
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35. So I take it that you have been in on some of these meetings... |
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and you do know what the military and other advisors have told him about what is going on not that they are telling the truth...
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Sun Sep-06-09 06:41 PM
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38. The gist of your comment, as far as I can make out, |
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is that Obama is privy to information we are not, therefore, he knows better...and thus his judgment cannot be questioned.
I don't see it that way. You do not have to be present during cabinet meetings to know that Obama's Afghanistan policy, like Bush's, is a failure and a waste of American lives and treasure. I knew this during the Bush-Cheney years w/o attending a single meeting and I know this now.
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Mon Sep-07-09 02:22 PM
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39. No, he can be questioned.. |
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the point is that we don't really have a healthcare bill but everyone seems to know everything that is in it and it seems as though this president has to do everything exactly the way some people want even though we know who and what are standing in our way, but some don't seem to want to question these senators who are really holding up everything that comes up for a vote.
Plus,this bull about threating not to vote for him again, I would be happy if I were him with all of the garbage I have heard in the first 3 months. Yes,question till the cows come home but you don't really know what is going on completely. In the case of Bush and CHeney they didn't win and then had the nerve to get in our faces and say fuck off.
Yes,question I email the whitehouse every few days myself to let them know what we want but, as far as I am concerned I believe that there are a lot of bush leftovers in the military,justice department and everywhere else in this government who are trying their best to sabatoge anything this president does and that includes the media,bluedogs,repugs and some fake ass Dems on this board who really aren't.
I have been working on my senators me and my family and friends. Nelson,Bachus,and Byah are a problem and now we will be working on Climate change and that is why they had to get rid of the Van Jones.
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Sun Sep-06-09 04:55 PM
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31. yeah he doesn't fight at al - not like us big warriors on DU WE TYPE LIKE HELL |
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:35 AM
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13. Rec'd...Thanks rainlillie n/t |
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:40 AM
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15. nobody signed up for a Goldman Sachs admin |
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:40 AM
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16. You have to realize that complainophiles, whiners, let it failers have the same goals as republicans |
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They want exactly the same thing -- to be ruled by a corrupt, corporate-theocratic dominated Republican party.
It's obvious why the republicans want that, but less obvious why the complainophiles do.
Unless we are governed by corporate theocrats, the complainophiles' world view is not validated. The level of misery in the external political world will not mirror the misery of their internal, personal world.
Therefore, the complainophiles will work just as hard as the republicans for the return of republican rule, in order to validate their world view.
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Sun Sep-06-09 12:12 PM
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21. Wild inaccurate assertions...just what is it that you are defending? |
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Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 12:15 PM by mix
Do you support the Afghanistan occupation? Do you support the appointment of Arne Duncan and the continuation of NCLB? Do you support the Wall Street bailouts? Do you support a for-profit healthcare system? Do you support an unbridled free-market?
Yes, McCain-Palin would have been worse, but that really isn't the point, is it?
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Mon Sep-07-09 04:46 PM
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42. If he wanted those things... |
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he'd be helping the RWers by being a complainophile.
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Mon Sep-07-09 02:27 PM
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When I see these posts, I think, these posters are only happy with the Repukes in power, so they can complain, when the Dems are in power and going in the right direction at least, they still complain, in fact, they complain more!
They just want to be victims. It is some sort of comfortable spot for them.
When they claim they campaigned for Obama, I don't believe them. They want to complain, not take action. They are not onto the Blue Dogs, or complaining about THEM.
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Sun Sep-06-09 12:04 PM
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19. Am 62 and I am tired of the fight. The republicans want to destroy |
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Obama and this country. So let them have the fucking country. Then they will get what they want and be done with it.
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Sun Sep-06-09 05:11 PM
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33. Easy for you to say, Miss southernyankeebelle! You'll |
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continue living your normal life as if nothing ever happened.
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Sun Sep-06-09 05:32 PM
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34. give em the southern half of the country |
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We'll take the north, just like the old days. There is precedent for this. India and Pakistan. Clearly not meant to live together.
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Sun Sep-06-09 03:09 PM
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25. Democrats are not caving to Republicans. They are not spineless. |
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Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 03:13 PM by Laelth
It seems far more likely that a large number of them are merely bought. The Republicans aren't the problem. They're irrelevant. If the Democrats are caving, it's their corporate campaign contributors that they are caving to--not the right or the Republicans.
I prefer to give credit where it is due and to place blame where it is due. And I call any Democrat that puts corporate interests above the interests of their constituents a sell-out, a blight on the party, and a good candidate for a primary opponent.
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-Laelth
Edit:Laelth--sloppy proofreading.
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37. Do you get paid by the kick? n/t |
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Sun Sep-06-09 04:43 PM
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28. I feel like it's 2003 again, and we're merely Republican doormats |
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Afraid to fight, afraid to disagree.
His philosophy of capitulation and retreat is so disgusting. I'm not even interested in politics right now.
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Sun Sep-06-09 04:49 PM
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29. Oh, some on here couldn't stand |
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a little fucking mist.
And, one notorious whiner was bitching about the cost of the inauguration and hasn't stopped bitching since.
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Sun Sep-06-09 06:23 PM
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36. I think what you are seeing is the flip side of the same coin. |
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In politics, in this country, people go from one extreme to another. All the hope and change talk was mostly politics and people should have known that but instead jumped on this hyped up, emotional bandwagon that included unrealistic expectations. Now, to some of the same people, he is the devil because he hasn't accomplished everything they believed he would. Politicians are people, not superheros and politicians - ALL POLITICIANS to some extent say whatever it takes to get them elected.
Obama hasn't accomplished, nor is he likely to, all the things I would have liked, but I think America is a much better place for having him as president.
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