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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:44 PM
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I predict Obama won't ditch the public option in his speech
But he won't show unequivocal support for it either, he'll leave open the option of ditching it later.

Anyone remember the press conference Chuck Hagel announced during the 2008 election, the press was speculating will he announce he's running, will he announce he's not? Well, when he gave the press conference his announcement was that he hadn't decided what he's going to do.

I have a hunch we'll come away from the Wed. speech still arguing about how committed Obama is to the public option.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:48 PM
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1. In other words he'll continue being wishy washy on it
and open himself up fro attack because the right will take that as a weakness and pounce.

Unless he shows unequivocal support for it, it's dead.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:23 PM
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11. Republicans always want to perpetrate the illusion that they are warriors, courageous and stronger
than Democrats when making the needed tough decisions (that cater to their wealthy friends of course). Even though thats a far cry from reality, thats the bullshit illusion they continue to fleece the masses into believing while painting timid democratic leaders as weak, accommodating, indecisive and soaked-to-the-bone socialists. Its the same old dog & pony show they wheel out and seems to always sway public perception simply because we continue to allow them to frame these discussion without ever mounting a firm push-back against such distortions.

They have mastered the art of ' repeating a big lie long enough that eventually all will consider to be the truth '.


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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:42 AM
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27. Well, Republicans rarely compromise, let alone retreat from a position.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:48 PM
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2. I hope you're wrong, and he firms his support for it
This issue is defining his Presidency, if he takes the wimp approach just so he can make a deal later on his reputation with the opposing parties (conservatives) will be that he can be pushed around.

Its make or break time, he can either be another FDR or another Jimmy Carter with this issue.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:09 PM
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9. here's a great article on FDR, btw. i certainly wish Obama took notes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/opinion/03smith.html

Roosevelt: The Great Divider
By JEAN EDWARD SMITH
Published: September 2, 2009

PRESIDENT OBAMA’S apparent readiness to backtrack on the public insurance option in his health care package is not just a concession to his political opponents — this fixation on securing bipartisan support for health care reform suggests that the Democratic Party has forgotten how to govern and the White House has forgotten how to lead.

This was not true of Franklin Roosevelt and the Democratic Congresses that enacted the New Deal. With the exception of the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 (which gave the president authority to close the nation’s banks and which passed the House of Representatives unanimously), the principal legislative innovations of the 1930s were enacted over the vigorous opposition of a deeply entrenched minority. Majority rule, as Roosevelt saw it, did not require his opponents’ permission.

When Roosevelt asked Congress to establish the Tennessee Valley Authority to provide cheap electric power for the impoverished South, he did not consult with utility giants like Commonwealth and Southern. When he asked for the creation of a Securities and Exchange Commission to curb the excesses of Wall Street, he did not request the cooperation of those about to be regulated. When Congress passed the Glass-Steagall Act divesting investment houses of their commercial banking functions, the Democrats did not need the approval of J. P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs or Lehman Brothers.

Roosevelt took the country off the gold standard and Congress enacted legislation nullifying clauses in private contracts stipulating payment in gold over the heated opposition of many of the nation’s wealthy. The Agricultural Adjustment Act setting production quotas and establishing price supports was adopted over the fierce opposition of the nation’s food processors. Establishment of the Civilian Conservation Corps was fought tooth and nail by organized labor because of the corps’ modest wages. Social Security became law over the ideological objections of those who believed that government was best which governed least and that individuals should fend for themselves or rely on charity. And the authority of the government to set maximum hours and minimum wages, as well as the right of labor to bargain collectively, was established despite the vociferous opposition of American business.

Roosevelt relished the opposition of vested interests. He fashioned his governing majority by deliberately attacking those who favored the status quo. His opponents hated him — and he profited from their hatred. “Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today,” he told a national radio audience on the eve of the 1936 election. “They are unanimous in their hatred for me — and I welcome their hatred.”

Roosevelt sought consensus among his fellow Democrats, which is why he sometimes kowtowed to the Southern oligarchs who were the chairmen of Congressional committees. But his Republican opponents were relegated to the political equivalent of Siberia. Roosevelt rode up Pennsylvania Avenue with President Herbert Hoover to the inauguration in March 1933, but he never saw or spoke to him again — not even in World War II.

For Roosevelt was a divider, not a uniter, and he unabashedly waged class war. At the Democratic Convention in 1936, again speaking to a national radio audience, Roosevelt lambasted the “economic royalists” who had gained control of the nation’s wealth. To Congress he boasted of having “earned the hatred of entrenched greed.” In another speech he mocked “the gentlemen in well-warmed and well-stocked clubs” who criticized the government’s relief efforts.

Roosevelt hived off the nation’s economic elite to win the support of the rest of the country. The vast majority of voters rallied to the president, but for a small minority he was the Devil incarnate. Few today remember the extent to which Roosevelt divided the nation. The sense of unity wrought by World War II blurred the divisiveness of the 1930s. Also, Roosevelt endeavored to ensure that more than half of the country was always on his side. Finally, and most important perhaps, the measures he championed have stood the test of time. It is difficult for Americans today to comprehend how anyone could have opposed Social Security, rural electrification, the regulation of Wall Street or the federal government’s guarantee of individual bank deposits.

Roosevelt understood that governing involved choice and that choice engendered dissent. He accepted opposition as part of the process. It is time for the Obama administration to step up to the plate and make some hard choices.

Health care reform enacted by a Democratic majority is still meaningful reform. Even if it is passed without Republican support, it would still be the law of the land.

Jean Edward Smith, a professor at Marshall University, is the author of “F.D.R.”
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:17 PM
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10. Excellent article, thank you
Im posting it on other sites too!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:50 PM
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3. K n R.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:50 PM
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4. that's my hunch, as well.

(why unrecs already?? who in the world is unreccing these threads?? :wtf: anyway, i rec'd it but that didn't offset the unrecs. :shrug: )
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:41 PM
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15. I used to think it was trolls,
but now I'm leaning towards the cheerleaders. Of course, it could be both.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:51 PM
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5. I don't think so.
In fact I think we are more likely to see him introduce the economic justification for Weiner's Medicare for All amendment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6372165
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:31 PM
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12. I hope you are right.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:52 PM
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6. I doubt that we'll have a better idea of his position after Wednesday. Sadly.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:56 PM
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7. I don't want him to pledge a veto if he can't get a PO...
because I valley some of the other items in the package as much as the PO.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:12 PM
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19. He already made that promise in July.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:45 PM
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24. nah, I know the quote you read, and he didn't
post it and I'll show you why.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:59 PM
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8. If he doesn't show strong support for the public option, he'll
continue being attacked by both sides. The least he could do is satisfy his own base. Even if he runs to the center, the left won't abandon him...unless they want a republican in office in 2012.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:00 PM
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18. Wrong.
The left will abandon him. "unless they want a republican in office in 2012" is a tired threat - corporatists control both parties.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:55 PM
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22. Politics is about picking the lesser of two evils.
If Obama punks out on Wednesday, the left will be highly upset, but a week in politics is a year. 3 years from now, they'll calm down enough to keep another republican out of office. So let me ask what you would prefer? A cowardly president or another George W. Bush? If you say neither, you would be complicit in getting another republican elected.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:32 PM
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13. time to weasel.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:39 PM
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14. I'd be happy if he'd just define it. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:43 PM
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16. That would be my prediction, too
and very much in line with the administration's modus operandi behavior over the past 7 months.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:48 PM
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17. In other words, he'll act like a politician & not like a leader.
Time will tell.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:51 PM
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20. That's what I'm leaning towards.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:53 PM
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21. How convenient. All the public option is dead naysayers now predicting it isn't. but...
Go figure?

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 04:30 PM
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23. I think he's succeeded in ensuring the maximum # of people will watch
which will give him the perfect moment to educate the illiterati on why extending medicare is the best thing to do for the country.

All that remains is to see who he sticks it to. The corporations he's been meeting with, or the people who elected him.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:40 AM
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26. "illiterati "
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 07:32 PM
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25. A prediction: Your prediction is 100%
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