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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:58 AM
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Islamists 'plotted to kill Clinton in Nairobi hotel'
Bruce Loudon
Monday, September 8, 2009

RADICAL Islamist al-Shabaab militants linked to al-Qa'ida and based in Somalia plotted to kill US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her trip to Africa last month, it was disclosed yesterday.


A planned series of bomb attacks set to take place in Nairobi, the capital of neighbouring Kenya, while Mrs Clinton was there - one in the hotel where she was staying - was foiled at the last minute, media reports, citing senior security officials, said.

"Al-Qa'ida wanted to strike at the heart of Nairobi (while Mrs Clinton was here)," the senior security official was quoted as saying, adding that Kenyan authorities intercepted communications between the plotters in war-ravaged Somalia and their operatives in Nairobi, which has a large emigre Somali population.

Five suspected al-Shabaab terrorists were arrested, including a man believed to be a Somali carrying a Danish passport. The four other suspects seized, including a woman, had what appeared to be false Kenyan identity documents, according to the reports.

Disclosure of the foiled bomb plot coincided yesterday with claims by a spokesman for al-Shabaab - which was listed last month as a terrorist organisation by the Australian government after an alleged plot to attack Sydney's Holsworthy army barracks was discovered - that it was reinforcing its positions around Mogadishu in anticipation of a major battle.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,26039422-26397,00.html

Thank God nothing happened!!!

:scared:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:03 AM
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1. Crikey!
Why are we just finding out about this now???
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:07 AM
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4. Yeah, and finding it through the Australian press.
How come no one in the MSM reported it? No wonder in Congo they hadn't wanted her to go to the refugee camp citing security issues, she insisted on going anyway.

:(
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:55 AM
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10. God I am glad they
caught them.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:00 AM
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11. Me too.
I don't even want to think about anything bad happening to Hillary or any of our other elected leaders.

x(
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:28 AM
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9. Good Question
Although if I remember correctly, there were a lot of terrorist threats that were attempted/foiled during the Clinton Administration and they were not widely reported until afterwards (i.e. the "millenium plot"). Of course, as has been documented and confirmed by HSS Ridge, Bushco did hype and/or exaggerate terrorist threats for political gain, primarily in the run up to the 2004 election. Their need to showcase a "victory" against terrorism apparently almost derailed the efforts of British authorities to apprehend the suspects in the airplane bombing plot.
Frankly, for me, I just want to have the peace of mind (which I do) that our current government officials are taking threats to the public seriously and following up on them appropriately, hopefully leading to the apprehension of suspects planning violent attacks against people while adopting prudent and appropriate safety measures to protect us without the need for having "dramatic" press conferences and issuing a string of meaningless color-coded "terror alert" warnings that do nothing but cause mass hysteria IMHO. Of course, unlike the previous (mis-)administration, I don't think that the Obama administration has quite the need and/or desire to utilize "terror alerts" for political purposes but are, true to form, legitimately interested in our safety.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:21 AM
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12. At least the Aussie press is printing something.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:06 AM
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2. Okay, this is scary. Glad they foiled the plot.
But this has always worried me when the President, VP, Sec of State and other important officials travel to other countries. What is stopping them from bombing the hotel the official is staying at? Glad the Kenyan authorities stopped it.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:08 AM
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5. It was a lucky break.
I hope that we get many more lucky breaks in the future.

:-(
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:11 AM
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7. Me too.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:06 AM
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3. GHWBush was reported to be target for assassination by Saddam, so Bill Clinton was told to increase
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 09:07 AM by blm
bombing missions as a proper tough response. That threat never materialized and there was never any evidence of a plot. Yet it is accepted by MSM as fact.

Given our nation's recent history, it's prudent to wonder who is wanting to escalate combat now?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:09 AM
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6. So, according to you, this is just some evil plot to provoke us to escalate combat?
:eyes:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:14 AM
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8. According to YOU, was GHWBush 'threat' real or hyped to force increase in bombing missions?
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 09:16 AM by blm
You aren't wondering why it is coming from an Australian paper?

Given our nation's recent history, one SHOULD wonder, not blindly accept.

Isn't blind acceptance of what was 'reported' the reason so many Dems were duped into supporting Bush2's Iraq war decisions?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:57 AM
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15. You tend to be far more left than most.
I don't think that the majority of people see a conspiracy plot at every turn. Unless denied by someone in charge, I'll take the article at face value. Why would the Australian press be interested in making this up?

:shrug:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:09 AM
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17. Ain't that the million dollar question
Why would Beacool post all things positives about Hillary and all things negative
about Obama.

:shrug:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:27 AM
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18. This is a negative on Obama, how?
Please...........

:eyes:
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:15 PM
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22. No... no.... no... noooooooooooo
I'm saying YOU believe that it was so no matter what someone might say to you, as
blm have been trying to do. The idea is you believe strongly that this was the case
because some nooze paper in Australia reported it, so, it has to be real threat.

Maybe fact checking and common sense can sometimes help.

Just saying.....
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:42 PM
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25. Shame on you Bea
:rofl: I understand if you read the article backwards , it really is a slam on Obama . :spray: Have you read the Esquire interview with Bill? It is excellent.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:01 PM
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27. Sometimes the far left scares me as much as the far right.
They see a conspiracy at every turn.

I haven't read more than excerpts, I had a very busy day.

:hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:06 AM
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29. you think someone who says they believe whatever story promoted by those 'in charge' isn't scary
to the rest of us?

Coincidence theorists haven't exactly been shown to be correct once whistleblowers and documentation catches up to them.....have they?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:58 AM
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32. You tend to see a conspiracy plot under every rock, my friend.
Why is it so difficult to believe that terrorists would want to blow up our SOS? It would be a great coup for them.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:50 AM
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34. No...I don't. You need to pretend I do because that's the security blanket YOU use to keep you from
having to think about what actually has gone down in this country the last few decades.

BTW....You are welcome to try and find me in any thread that isn't based on actual events or actual government reports....of course, what you'll find is that your standard 'security blanket' claim has no basis in reality.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:36 AM
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20. You believe GHWBush was targeted for assassination by Saddam, though no evidence was ever
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 11:43 AM by blm
found, just the same Curveball fantasies Bush hung his hat on to declare military force was needed in Iraq - but, then, that wouldn't bother you as YOU are an authoritarian who needs to believe those 'in charge' wouldn't manipulate news reports to achieve their agenda.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:49 AM
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13. Thank God adults are now in charge of national security, and
many thanks to the Kenyan authorities for a stellar job foiling this plot. I shudder to think what would have happened if the hapless Bush administration were still in charge.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:55 AM
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14. Well, to be fair, they would have done the same thing to avoid a terrorist plot.
We may not like some of our leaders, but we don't wish any of them dead. At least I don't think that, regardless of party affiliation, most people would cheer if any of our leaders were assassinated. God forbid!!!

;(
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 02:01 PM
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24. Of course they would. I wasn't suggesting otherwise, But they were so
inept at nearly everything they did, it's hard to imagine they would have gotten anymore of a clue about this type of plot than they did about anything else; i.e., 911 or Katrina, both of which times they had sufficient warnings and did absolutely nothing to prevent either catastrophe.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:02 AM
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16. "Al Qaeda" is in Africa now?
Bullshit. There may or may not have been a plot against Hillary. But if there was, it was some local thugs. Hell, since it was Kenya, the Freepers will probably start a rumor that they worked for Obama.

Which is every bit as ridiculous as them working for a dead guy from Saudi Arabia the CIA Afghanistan Pakistan
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:30 AM
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19. There's been talk of them being in Somalia for some time now.
I remember reading about it when one of our ships was boarded by pirates earlier in the year. They don't have a stronghold as of now, but they are trying to expand operations over there.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:08 PM
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21. So now the pirates are "Al Qaeda" too?
Come on, you don't really believe that crap, do you?

There is no such thing as an "international terrorist group". (Unless you're talking about the CIA or Mossad, they would probably qualify)

Terrorists are always about the local concerns. The Somali pirates couldn't give two shits about Iraq. The Al-Sadr militias in Iraq couldn't give two shits about Somalia. Neither of them probably have the slightest clue of what's going on in western Pakistan. To claim they're all part of the same group is ridiculous. (But it sure helps with keeping the sheeple in a perpetual state of fear)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:22 PM
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23. Ahhhhh, some of you are just plain frustrating.
When the pirates took over the ship there was a lot written about the area. The pirates are not part of Al Qaeda, but there are reports that Al Qaeda IS trying to gain a foothold in Somalia.

Believe whatever you want, I don't care.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 06:58 PM
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26. heh...and still thinks BCCI was just a banking problem....couldn't possibly be about the funding
of global terror networks by powerful, international financiers aka Poppy's pals.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:51 AM
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30. Of course. Remember where Osama bin Laden was based?
In the Sudan. They are not, however, based in Kenya. They come from Somalia to fuck up Kenya.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:54 AM
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31. Thanks for the clarification.
The article I posted below from a Kenyan newspaper mentions Al Qaeda:

The official added: “While in the past the real target of the attacks has been Western interests, the Al Qaeda leadership has since made Kenya a new target. So serious is the threat that during the Agoa meeting, the Al Qaeda intended to strike at the heart of Nairobi during the rush hours.”

;)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:04 PM
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28. More.......
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 09:20 PM by Beacool
How plot to bomb Clinton in Kenya was foiled


President Kibaki (right) and Prime Minister Raila Odinga (left) receive US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (centre) at the Agoa forum during her visit to Kenya in August.

By MUGUMO MUNENE, News EditorPosted Saturday, September 5 2009

A group of terrorists operating from Somalia had planned three bomb attacks in Nairobi during the visit by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last month, the Sunday Nation can reveal.

A senior counter-terrorism official has recounted how the terrorists planned to stage simultaneous attacks at the Hotel InterContinental, the Kencom Bus Stage and the adjacent Hilton Hotel. Mrs Clinton stayed at the Hotel InterContinental during her visit.

The plan was hatched in Somalia and thwarted by Kenyan security officials who intercepted communication between the plotters and their accomplices in Nairobi.

The security official – whose identity cannot be revealed without compromising antiterrorism operations – said that the terrorists linked to the Al Shabaab group had wanted to embarrass Kenyan and US governments but their plans were thwarted before the attackers could cross the border.

“The threats were neutralised a week to the Agoa meeting in combined efforts by the military and other security agencies,” the official said. “The operation in Nairobi netted five crucial suspects, one of whom carries Danish identification documents but is believed to be a Somali national. The other four, one of whom is a woman, hold Kenyan identification documents believed to be fake. Investigations into their identity and plan are on.”

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/653584/-/umrw75/-/index.html

There's also video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAZRpaYBAiY

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:59 AM
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33. Thank goodness it was foiled n/t
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