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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:21 AM Original message |
Markos Moulitsas WARNS OBAMA On Health Reform: " PUBLIC OPTION Is Our Waterloo " |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. As one for Single Payer and the Public Option, this is NOT "Our Waterloo" |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. He can be over the top sometimes |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. "sort of our Waterloo" is drama-queeny? |
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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Rationalize all you want. the reality is that the so called ' public option ' has now become its own |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. That may be, but the panic from everyone, including Markos, runs counter to reality |
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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I am aware of those polling numbers and yet, even if you broadcast those polling results |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Doesn't that tell you something? |
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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You are correct but that still won't buy you any support or votes if the people end up feeling |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
92. forgive my statistical naivete but... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Speaking of "Waterloo." |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The need for health care reform is much more dire now than it was then. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. BS on the economy |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
76. Not if it continues to GUT the middle class. The poor and the rich are fine ... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. the failure sure did wonders for Clinton's "Democratic" congress, eh? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. no shoot.. |
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CKennedy16 (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
86. If not now.... WHEN???????????? |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
89. I would like to know just how many Americans really even know what the public option is. n/t |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. drama-queeny? |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
82. It maybe will be our Waterloo. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. Yeah! n/t |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. dailyKos doesnt pay big enough bribes to democratic congresspersons lol nt |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. He's picking the wrong last ditch to die in. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. No, it's the ONLY counter to the insurance companies, and once IMPLEMENTED |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Too small to accomplish that goal... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. Why rehash this moronic RW slogan? n/t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. maybe to fire up his folks and make some more bread off of his site? |
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Robber M (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'm rooting for the public option! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Yea, don't you love the continuance of Summary Executions & Renditions ... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. what does that have to do with this thread? can't you keep your outbursts on topic at least? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
55. It has everything to do with this thread. Our country is being run to the corporate right. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. someone said they support the public option, and you busted out with a non sequitur. all i did was |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Please? We all know you're "smart" - there's no need for brow beating. eom |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
16. oh noes, kos has spoken! |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Do you have something more erudite to say? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. i like it how people glom onto what some inconsequential blogger says as if it's gospel truth |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Inconsequential? I sense that you are a little jealous. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. nah. in his niche, the world of political blogs, he's got a name. if you go out on the street and |
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DisgustipatedinCA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. You're right...it did touch a nerve |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. continue what? you're the one who jumped in being a jerk, because i don't give a crap about kos |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Yes, it's so much more comfortable to hop on the "money and power" DLC/Blue dog train |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. uh, what does kos being just some guy with a blog have to do with the fools at the DLC? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. He's not just "some guy with a blog" but more importantly - the vast majority of progressive |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. well, to me he's still some guy with a blog, but don't take that to mean i side with the conservadem |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. No, I don't think we have much in common. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. i just told you i have no love for the DLC\blue dogs, and you say i've insulted your intelligence. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. You are enabling them. But you already knew that didn't you? eom |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. by not into going into hysterics on a message board i am enabling the blue dogs? how is that? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. All you can do is attack me personally. Gee, you must be a Fox viewer? See how that works? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. you're operating on exaggeration and straw men, and putting words in other people mouths.. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Your behavior is what some might term "elitist" - you attack the person in a haughty manner. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. i'd say pragmatic, not elitist, but you are entitled to your opinion. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Whatever ... you must be late for your latte at Starbucks? Later. eom |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. no, i'm going to cruise in my BMW to pick up some arugula.... sheesh |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. !!! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. But that's exactly how the GOP wins. It's time to GET DRAMATIC as long as we are on the side of |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. But never against a Repuke President |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. The corporate-centrist dems make our political system "a right wing duopoly." |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. some people would rather remain on the losing side and feel righteous then do the best with what we |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Yes, because it's all about WINNING? So what if we morph into fascism via Neo-liberalism. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. no, it means that, in the face of a system that is rigged in so many ways, you have to make progress |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. Well yes. Getting health care reform would be "winning." |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
21. Markos is spot on! There's no half-stepping this position. Public Option or ... |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
27. He comes off as more of a web-based entertainer than a thinker sometimes |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. he gotta make a living off his site somehow. riling people up is a pretty good tool for that. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
30. Markos, you're threatening the wrong people. Blue Dogs in the House and Senate, |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
50. He's suggesting that the WH needs to stop coddling the blue dogs... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I know what he is suggesting, but he is letting the Congress out of the loop |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Sure, because this was a conversation on tv about the prez' speech. nt |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I know all that, and it does not change what I said at the beginning. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Did you even watch the video? This isn't "his writing" - he's having... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. And, how does this change my opinion? Give me a break. I do not have to admire Markos, do I. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. No - but your posts might make more sense if you actually watched the video. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
32. More Katrina than Waterloo. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
33. There comes a time when you don't continue to support those who betray you |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. there was a time you supported democrats? who knew? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. DLC/Blue Dog Democrats are IMO, nothing more than enablers for the Corporate GOP. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. i never said they weren't. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Then stop enabling them. Lead, follow or, with respect --> get the hell out of the way. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. i'd like you to spell out why you think i am "enabling" the blue dogs by what i post on DU. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Look in the mirror? ... by just being "you" is my best estimate - what you are doing here. eom |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. because i think it is too early to give up on the final bill which hasn't even come out yet? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. No but we need to FIGHT with PASSION every step of the way. That's where we differ. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
34. How many more concessions to big business and Republicans will be made in pursuit of bi-partisanship |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. ONE Corporate Duopoly ... the mighty Corporations on K Street now run Barter -Town. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
49. Kos speaks for a lot of the boots on the ground in the last election... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
78. Markos Moulitsas should eat his own crap |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. What planet do you spend most of your time on?? nt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. well, that's going a smidge overboard i'll say... |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
81. Bite me Markos. Enough with the stupid threats. n/t |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
85. Gosh, gays got thrown under the bus, |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. He speaks for himself-not me. I support any effort to invoke positive change into our health care |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 03:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. It may help the working poor but it's sure to gut the middle class without a Public Option. |
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