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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:55 PM
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Obama made it clear that a trigger and co-ops are not a substitute for a public option.
Now, I have no interest in putting insurance companies out of business. They provide a legitimate service, and employ a lot of our friends and neighbors. I just want to hold them accountable. The insurance reforms that I’ve already mentioned would do just that. But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange.

Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don’t have insurance. No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5% of Americans would sign up.

Despite all this, the insurance companies and their allies don’t like this idea. They argue that these private companies can’t fairly compete with the government. And they’d be right if taxpayers were subsidizing this public insurance option. But they won’t be. I have insisted that like any private insurance company, the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects.

But by avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits, excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, it could provide a good deal for consumers. It would also keep pressure on private insurers to keep their policies affordable and treat their customers better, the same way public colleges and universities provide additional choice and competition to students without in any way inhibiting a vibrant system of private colleges and universities.

It’s worth noting that a strong majority of Americans still favor a public insurance option of the sort I’ve proposed tonight. But its impact shouldn’t be exaggerated – by the left, the right, or the media. It is only one part of my plan, and should not be used as a handy excuse for the usual Washington ideological battles.

To my progressive friends, I would remind you that for decades, the driving idea behind reform has been to end insurance company abuses and make coverage affordable for those without it. The public option is only a means to that end – and we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal. And to my Republican friends, I say that rather than making wild claims about a government takeover of health care, we should work together to address any legitimate concerns you may have.

For example, some have suggested that that the public option go into effect only in those markets where insurance companies are not providing affordable policies. Others propose a co-op or another non-profit entity to administer the plan. These are all constructive ideas worth exploring. But I will not back down on the basic principle that if Americans can’t find affordable coverage, we will provide you with a choice. And I will make sure that no government bureaucrat or insurance company bureaucrat gets between you and the care that you need.

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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:57 PM
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:57 PM
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2. so what is the substitute for the public option?
he says we should remain open to other ideas, what are the other ideas?
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:58 PM
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4. Being open to ideas doesn't mean being open to substitutes. nt
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:36 PM
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11. Actually it *can* mean that.
It just depends how "open" to ideas one really is.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:43 PM
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14. No, it actually can't
But I will not back down on the basic principle that if Americans can’t find affordable coverage, we will provide you with a choice.

For your interpretation to be true, a government choice would be able to be implemented overnight if anyone cannot find affordable coverage.

The public option will be in the mix.


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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:23 AM
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22. Not being aware of alternatives does not mean they do not exist
So, in ANY situation, one must have enough vision and flexibility to accept the possibility.

How many of us have had what we perceive as the best choice but told someone else something like "well, if you have a better idea..."? That is what Obama said in more flowery wording.
Hell, I'd imagine that sometime in all of our lives we have beat our heads against the wall on something and Lo and Behold someone offered an idea that never occurred to you or even more likely an idea you didn't explore.

Only a fool would dare think they are the sole holders of truth and that they have all the answers.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:58 PM
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3. Yeah, except he's buying into the only when they "can't find coverage" BS

There should be a nonprofit government-run insurance plan that anyone can opt into if they don't like the insurance they have.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:00 PM
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5. make me care
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:00 PM
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6. So drop your insurance and say you can't afford it.
If true it's public option for you.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:36 PM
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12. you can't do that
If you are insured and unhappy with it, tough.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:46 PM
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17. why can't you drop your insurace?
I can drop my employer plan during the enrollment window every year. For private plans its probably easier.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:02 PM
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7. That's nothing new
Obama has been talking about the insurance exchange with the public option since the beginning of this debate. Why did you think it would change now?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:03 PM
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8. Yes.
If it's only for people the private companies won't insure then they won't be competing with it, will they? How does a public option keep them honest if they're not competing with it?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:33 PM
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10. What's stopping you?
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 08:34 PM by ProSense
This is a strawman that keeps popping up. No one is forcing you to keep your employer's coverage. You can opt out now, and you will be able to opt out when reform is passed. You will be required to have insurance, but no one is going to force you to accept a plan you don't like or want.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:06 PM
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9. As you had predicted.
:thumbsup:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:42 PM
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13. "not for profit public option" is a new language that sounds an awful lot like exchanges or co ops.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:43 PM
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15. A co-op is not a public option. n/t
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:47 PM
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18. we shall see. nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:44 PM
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16. "Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don’t have insurance."
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:49 PM
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19. very clear and he made the rationale clear

So unless somebody has a magical solution the public option is required to complete reform.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:45 AM
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21. Exactly.
Nothing even compares.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:43 PM
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20. "It’s worth noting that a strong majority of Americans still favor a public insurance option" n/t
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