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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:12 PM
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Welcome Back, Candidate Obama!
We've missed you dearly, and are thrilled to see that you've become president.

Now... off to work! Much to be done!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:13 PM
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1. True. That was a great speech. I liked it much better than the inaugural speech.
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 08:19 PM by avaistheone1
I think it had a great deal more passion, and was laser focused in parts.

Oh the poor repukes tonight.

President Obama, go back to work - deliver a meaningful public option open to everyone.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:16 PM
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2. I loved the speech...
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:18 PM
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3. He redfined Public Option as part of some kind of "pooling" and PRIVATELY-RUN "exchanges" -nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:54 PM
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7. Uh I don't think that is what most of us had in mind when we have been talking about a public option
Mandatory health insurance, and no real public option in a big rip-off.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:07 PM
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11. That's what I meant
Since he didn't want to buck Big Insurance with a REAL Public Option - he still used the words and re-defined it! Great oratory, but lousy (and misleading) POLICY.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:18 PM
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4. He sure kicked ass tonight.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:19 PM
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5. I am glad you liked it Manny. Now, time for work.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:35 PM
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6. (I Love The Rahm-a-trons Modding Me Down)
Great stuff!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:57 PM
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8. Obama, scuttle the co-ops and the exchanges. They are not the public option.
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 10:58 PM by avaistheone1
The co-ops and exchanges present no real savings and are proven failures.

With all due respect Mr President it was a very nice speech.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:27 PM
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9. I think the exchange is an excellent idea within this framework and it has no effect
on the public option. The exchange is just like a website to shop your options including the public offering. Co-ops are a different story but could be additional items on the menu too, especially if scaled up to national scope.

There is no reason to be against the exchange at all though, it isn't competition or a replacement for the public option just where you go to sign up if that's the plan the works best for you.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:48 PM
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10. No, the exchanges are a terrible idea. It has been proven they do not work.
...If enacted, exchanges and co-ops offering a small public option will only raise hopes for reform that will never come, and are therefore a cop-out for those shaping this year’s reform attempt. Here are just some of the many reasons that health insurance exchanges are bound to fail:

- H. R. 3200 restricts access to coverage through the Exchange to individuals who are not enrolled in qualified or grandfathered employer or individual coverage, Medicare, or Medicaid (with some exceptions).
- The public option will not be implemented until 2013, or perhaps only until private plans have been shown not to save money ( the so-called “trigger”).
- Because of its relatively small market share, the public option will not have enough market clout to counteract the practices of private insurers, and will become the only option for sicker people with higher-cost care.
- There are almost no restraints on insurance premiums in any of the proposals; an amendment by the House E & C Committee limits premium increases to no more than 150 percent of the annual percentage increase in medical inflation, and provides exemptions if this would “limit a health plan’s financial viability.”
- In order to avoid competition, the insurance industry has successfully lobbied to prevent premiums for a public option to be much lower than those of private plans.
- There are no good examples yet of successful exchanges. California has 15 years’ experience with an exchange, and it has been a failure. A July 2009 Issue Brief by the California HealthCare Foundation details its problems and demise. It was initially intended to “provide an easy to navigate single point of entry where people could go to choose among several health plans, reduce the cost of coverage (using three primary mechanisms: reduce administrative costs by achieving economies of scale, command lower prices, and foster market competition), and enhance portability of coverage.” None of those objectives were achieved.

Instead, the California Exchange achieved few administrative efficiencies, lacked pricing power, and was burdened by adverse selection of sicker enrollees. Private insurers gamed the system and loaded up the Exchange with people with more expensive illnesses. Despite large start-up funding, the experiment was unsustainable, and was shut down in 2006.

If we would only pay attention to history, we would know that co-ops will fare no better than exchanges. Many co-ops were started during the 1930s in the years of the Great Depression, only to fail in most instances despite initial government subsidies. Most of these co-ops never reached sufficient size to either become financially viable or to counteract market problems. Only a few have succeeded over the years. An excellent example is Group Health Cooperative in Washington State, which today has some 600,000 members in an effective integrated health care system. But despite its reliance on salaried physicians in a large well-managed group practice, it still has to compete against its competitors and has almost as much trouble containing costs. Group Health today has only a 9 percent market share in Washington State. It has increased its premiums by an average of 12.3 percent a year since 2000 (four times the rate of inflation), and is raising its premiums in 2009 by 13 percent (compared with 17 percent by Regence BlueShield).

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/08/17/exchanges-co-ops-and-cop-outs-on-health-ca
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