In 8 months of office, Obama has been behind 3 of the biggest corporate giveaways in U.S. history

[brentspeak]

1) TARP II

2) the credit card "reform" act (read http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_38/b4147026262530.htm?wtf">this on how the legislation is actually making banks richer and credit card holders poorer)

3) health care "reform" which makes everyone a captive customer of insurance companies

And there' more to come...

4) (pending) Arne Duncan's "Race to the Top" plan to hand over a good chunk of public education dollars to corporate charter schools

Plus, the prologue:

5) Obama's vital role in helping Bush get TARP I passed

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[mdmc]

1. USA!

USA!
USA!

[Thrill]

2. Thank you. We get you hate Obama. You've let us know it every week for over 2 yrs

[karynnj]

13. many times in every week - between his posts suggesting (still) that we needed Edwards!

Every one of the items is mischaracterized. I guess he missed that the economy, still very week, statistically is out of the recession, we are in the beginning of recovery. Some of those programs led us to that point and hopefully will lead to stronger recovery.

[grantcart]

46. Oh you misunderstand Obama is his "best friend" and he just wants to set him on the

righteous Brentspeak path.

[LWolf]

64. I you are correct,

it's obviously with good reason. At least he gives valid evidence for his lack of enthusiasm.

[Fading Captain]

79. Respond to the Issues presented

Instead of smearing.
If you aren't intellectually bankrupt, that is.

[rubberducky]

3. Please don`t piss on my parade.

[denem]

4. A "B" Grade movie, as usual, with Bad acting.

"I want to support the Democratic Party". Oh Yeah.

[democrat2thecore]

7. What part of what he/she wrote is wrong or not factual? -nt

[Teaser]

31. the part the user wrote and posted.

the rest is fine.

[babylonsister]

5. Another MISERABLE FAIL from you. nt

[LynnTheDem]

28. Hey, 'Sis...I bet we both knew, before looking, exactly who the

OP was.

:rofl:

[JeffR]

6. Golly! Sounds like this Obama guy is bad news!

Thanks for the heads-up.
:eyes:

[democrat2thecore]

8. Not a bad GUY, just poorly advised and too ready to compromise principles (rhetoric aside) -nt

[tbyg52]

14. Bingo. nt

[LWolf]

65. It depends on how you define "bad news."

Personally, I think all centrist/corporatist/3rd way/"new" dems are bad news.

:shrug:

[ProSense]

9. If the Credit card bill and TARP were among the biggest corporate giveaways in history

why did Kucinich vote yes:

Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act of 2009

TARP Reform and Accountability Act

Stimulus

Could it be that you're wrong?

[uponit7771]

10. Kucinich is teh bad man!!!!!!!!! /sarcasm

[babylonsister]

11. Great links, and healthcare reform hasn't even been decided. Proof positive

this OP is, as usual, full of shit.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

25. Nice find.

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[natrat]

30. you are waisting your time here,seriously. this is dlc/corpwhore central these days

[ProSense]

33. I see that this was an oversight bill

A few days after the Senate approved the release of the second half of TARP funding, on January 21, 2009, H.R. 384 passed the House by a vote of 260-166. Reports indicated that Senate Banking Committee Chair Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) would not take up H.R. 384 as passed or introduce a Senate version of the bill. However, Senator Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) has introduced a separate bill (S. 195), establishing stronger oversight over the whole financial bailout, including TARP.

I don't see the link to the House vote on the TARP in 2009

Still, Kucinich did vote for the Credit Card Act.

[joshcryer]

34. Well then. I have never seen such a thorough ownage on DU since coming here (2002).

Nicely done.

[ProSense]

36. Actually, the OP is still BS. n/t

[cliffordu]

39. no kidding. That's really gonna leave a mark.

[Deja Q]

49. *ding* *ding* *ding* we have a winner!

:yourock:

[Ikonoklast]

73. Kucinich is secretly a Bilderberger.

He chaired the last meeting of the Trilater Commission, and it was rumored he was seen dancing naked around the burning Owl at the last Bohemian Grove meeting.


Or was it Burning Man? Damn, I always get those two confused.

[SIMPLYB1980]

12. This OP is shit. imo. nt

[Blue_Roses]

15. what is your fucking problem?

go to another site and spread your shit. In fact, stay there...

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[tbyg52]

17. Sigh.... Here's my bit to counteract the kneejerk replies.

So far he's been very good to the corporations, you are quite right. They own our government, after all.

[ProSense]

19. Do they own

Kucinich?

[tbyg52]

22. I hope not, I think not, but one never knows for sure, in this country.

And, yes, I saw that post. A lot of people got stampeded into voting for TARP, just like they got stampeded into voting for the PATRIOT Act. There's a lot of that going around.

[brentspeak]

32. Don't get suckered by the other poster's B.S.

H.R. 384, the http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-384&tab=summary">TARP Reform and Accountability Act that Kucinich voted for was not TARP I or TARP II; it simply provided additional oversight and reallocation for the TARP I package that had already been passed. Kucinich voted http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml">against the TARP package.

[ProSense]

35. That's the 2008 bill. Where is the TARP vote under Obama? nt

[Zynx]

54. I guess that would explain why they hate him so much.

[tbyg52]

55. He scares them, because he may not be quite as tame as some, but

any politician who has gotten to a certain level knows he/she had better be careful around the corporations, at the least. They *are* our masters, you know.....

[Zynx]

57. Talk to some right wing businessmen. They really think Obama is out to kill them.

[tbyg52]

59. They scare *real* easily, then. It looks to me like he knows exactly how far he can go. nt

[jenmito]

18. Why don't you just register as a Republican, VOTE Republican, and be done with it?

Your constant stream of threads NEVER support Obama. :eyes:

[LooseWilly]

42. You do understand the difference between the "left" and the "right", right?

The notion that someone who is MORE liberal than Obama should register as a Republican suggests that you just don't get it.

I recognize that some people think that there are only 2 points of view. What the head of the Democratic Party says... and "everything else".... and some are not capable of realizing that not all of the "everything else" is like the rest of the "everything else"... but there's a difference between Rush Limbaugh and those near or left of Dennis Kucinich.

Of course... I'm probably wasting my carpal tunnel trying to explain this subtlety to you... you only see in black and white, obviously... if you would suggest a leftist register Republican.

:tinfoilhat:

[NotThisTime]

47. Exactly...

[Window]

20. Same shit, different day.

:thumbsdown:

[azmouse]

21. Whatever...

Just your usual spew. :eyes:

[dionysus]

23. i heard this crazy rumour that john edwards cheated on his terminally ill wife. what a great guy.

he'd of made a great candida---oh yeah, i remember what i was going to say! ...your post is crap as usual...

[boppers]

24. Nice sense of history.

Railroads.
Oil and Mineral rights.
Logging rights.
Private military procurement.
Federal banking system.

All of these were much, much larger, by several orders of magnitude. Just keep banging on your drum though, as anybody can judge your arguments on their merits.

[LooseWilly]

43. I don't recall any of those involving taxpayer subsidization just to fix mismanagement issues...

But I welcome your historical educatifying...

I don't know much about the railroads... but I was under the impressions that they were built for profits (or are you talking about Amtrak subsidies to keep the railroads afloat?)

OIl and Mineral rights are often given away too cheaply... how does that compare with taxpayer subsidies to stabilize the financial industries after they gambled on derivitivized loan packages that turned out to be worthless/un-valuable?

Logging rights?... see above.

Private military procurement...? I don't see how this is comparable. Worthy of criticism... certainly, on any number of levels... but I think the OP would be happy to stop this as promptly, and reverse it and charge back fees... as anything mentioned in the OP

Federal Banking system... ? - isn't that largely what the OP was criticizing??

It seems a little ridiculous to add more examples to the OP's criticism... and try to claim that they counter the criticism... what you're mentioning is just more examples... less blatant for the most part... but certainly not things that Obama could be judged to be not equally guilty of supporting relative to other presidents.... Do you not understand the gist of criticisms from the "left"?

[boppers]

58. Hair rending and shirt tearing from the left...

We all get it.

Really, we do.

More puppets and effigies and street theater are not needed.

...unless, of course, the whole performance and demonstration thing is more important than making any actual changes, in which case, keep performing and demonstrating. I love street theater.

[Laelth]

26. I don't know about "biggest" ...

But I agree that the TARP and the "health insurance reform" proposal that the President now backs are massive Federal give-aways to the corporations.

I suspect the charter schools advanced by our SUCKretary of education will also be a massive give-away of Federal money to private interests.

It is frustrating, to say the least. And, ignore the cheerleaders. They know you have a point, and that's why they have to attack you so viciously.

Cheers. :toast:

:dem:

-Laelth

[RepublicanElephant]

27. wasn't tarp some monkey-crap left behind on the walls by dubya? nt

[kid a]

37. brentspeak is taking his ambien too early in the day: stupid, forgetful, and in the wrong place

[myrna minx]

38. I don't think I've ever seen you post anything positive on this message board.

I actually feel sorry for you and your dark cloud. :hug:

[BzaDem]

40. Yawn. Go vote for Palin and be done with it.

Your "I can't decide to vote for Obama or Palin" psychodrama is quite boring.

[LooseWilly]

44. Why is it that so many here can't tell the difference between the "left" and the "right"?

Speaking of psychodramatic delusions... have you no sense of relativity (probably not... I'm probably wasting keystrokes...)

[firedupdem]

41. You should slow down...you're going to be banging your head

for the next 4-8 yrs...and it's not because the president is doing a bad job. It's simply because you hate him.

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[joeycola]

50. Arne Duncan has had little press while he promote education privatization.

[Dinger]

52. Arne Duncan, Tool (nt)

[City Lights]

51. Same shit, different day.

:boring:

[Zynx]

53. The second one there is hard to construe as a "giveaway" but rather unintended consequences.

TARP II is not a "giveaway". The government has legal stakes in the firms that are worth something, though it varies how much.

You are really bad at this.

[truedelphi]

56. k and r for later reading n/t

[Zynx]

62. That was a very short post by the OP. It can be read in 20 seconds.

[Mass]

60. May be you should have voted for McCain...

[karynnj]

67. Or wrote in John Edwards

who he KNOWS would never deviation from any position he ever backed.

[tekisui]

61. Damn, I missed when the health care bill passed.

I need to pay closer attention.

[LWolf]

63. And loyal democrats support his corporatism.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I wish they were as loyal to principles and issues as they are to party leaders.

[truedelphi]

69. These last six months have helped me understand

Why Jefferson was not a big fan of political parties.

[LWolf]

70. Yes.

I grew up understanding it. I was an independent my entire life until 2001. While I voted for a lot of Democrats, I wasn't a Democrat myself. My votes have always been about issues, not party.

When I saw the writing on the wall with GWB, I registered with the party most likely to defeat him and his agenda. I have been more appalled by party politics in the 8 years I've been the member of a political party than in the 23 years I voted as an independent.

[debbierlus]

66. They don't want to hear it. They aren't ready,

It is a heartbreak what Obama has turned out to be.

No doubt. It sucks that he has taken such a incredible opportunity and used it to further the corporate fascist agenda.

It doesn't matter. The consequences of these policies will be cold water on the face of America. We have not yet seen our depression. This economy is teetering on the brink.

It is easier to bash you then to admit that the hero they elected has played them for complete and total fools.

[bigwillq]

68. Great post.

:thumbsup:

[truedelphi]

72. Plus apparently there is always an inner core of the Party faithful

And this is regardless of which party we speak of, that has to believe in their Leader.

I have Republican friends who still believe that Bush won the war in Iraq (!?!) and now my Democratic friends who continually feel that Obama needs more time or more support and then, like the fairy dust we clap for during the theatrics of "Peter Pan", little Tinker Belle, and the economy, and Health Care reform will all be okay. It just takes blind faith, don't you know!!

I am sure for these Dems, when it all falls apart, it STILL won't be Obama's fault - it will be our fault for not having enough Fairy Dust, er that is blind faith, to help out the President. We who protest will still be blamed.

In the end, it is the messenger who gets killed off.

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[dionysus]

82. by this point, knowing just how bitter they are makes me happy. and they'll have 7.5 more years to

grind their teeth over it.

[OwnedByFerrets]

76. "They" will still be making excuses after 8 yrs of the same

[dionysus]

81. hmm, obama supporters are "they" to you. i don't know why you're so bitter, but i like it.

[dionysus]

80. you are so divorced from reality it isn't funny.but,your bitterness is a joy to behold. 7 and a half

more years.

[MarjorieG]

71. All by himself, because Congress wanted to do right, and he wouldn't. Not...

[branders seine]

75. tough talk when on TV

overwhelming largesse instead of reform when dishing out policy

Didn't he pretty much handover theTreasury to Goldman Sachs?

[cliffordu]

77. Later, Hater.

:hurts:

[bklyncowgirl]

78. ....and Bill Clinton passed NAFTA.

Sometimes, when I have donned my tinfoil beanie, I wonder if Democrats are allowed to become President only to get things passed that Republicans cannot.

Sadly, no one who you, or perhaps I would agree with 100 percent of the time will ever become President. If the gatekeepers that run the media don't destroy him/her, the American people--or at least those few who might be persuadable--would tune this person out because what he or she says would be so outlandish compared to everything they have internalized from childhood.

Given all this Bill Clinton was on the whole a good presiden and so, I think, will Obama be a good president. He will not, however, be the left wing savior, smiter of corporate America many of us would like to see.

Just not gonna happen.