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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:04 PM
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On Wednesday Night, Obama Parked It. Did He Really Park It? I Hope Not and So Should You.
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 05:07 PM by David Zephyr
AMERICANS ARE IN LAST PLACE: Somewhere in the middle of the last century, the industrialized nations on the planet made universal not-for-profit health-care a natural right that extended to all of their citizens, rich or poor. In fact, every industrialized nation made that commitment, except the richest nation on earth: the United States of America. Over 50 years later, we, shamefully, can not say that we ever got there, too.

THE BIG SPEECH ON HEALTH-CARE: On Wednesday night, President Obama, a Democrat spoke to a Democratic controlled congress and to the nation that elected him by a substantial margin. It was to be a major speech from the President on the pathetic status of health-care in America and on his intentions to make it right. Americans tuned in.

PRAISE BE TO ALL OF US: Obama gave us a brief history lesson on the many starts and stops on our national journey to universal health-care. He congratulated Republicans and Democrats alike for all the progress they'd made all these many, many decades. The applause rose in the chamber as Republicans and Democrats were lauded for all they'd done. And a real sense of pride of accomplishment seemed to ooze right through my television screen. I was feeling pretty good until I thought about all of our peers around the world and how silly our 21st Century health-care debate must look to them.

GOODNESS, GRACIOUS, A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING GOING ON: Obama painted the picture of our journey as a struggle on that road to a nebulous final victory as one where some progress would be made and then we'd park for a while and then start up again, make a little progress and then, yes, park once more. The tale he told wasn't one of a dogged marathon to a finish line, but one of spurts forward, parking and more spurts and parking. So much parking, we should perhaps consider a national department just for all of the parking attendants needed on our road to national health-care.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SINGLE-PAYER, NOT-FOR-PROFIT, UNIVERSAL HEALTH-CARE IS THE BEST OPTION, then President Obama's speech was only an incremental sputter down the road again toward that goal. If you don't believe that, then you, my fellow Democrat, are almost at the end of the road in your journey as you settle for private insurance companies controlling your health-care. It's that simple. It's either an incremental move toward what every industrialized nation did for its people in the last century...or we've reached what you consider the final destination.

PRESIDENT OBAMA'S BOLD DECLARATION ON HEALTH-CARE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE: “I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.” Wow! That sounded terrific until I got to thinking: does this mean that a patch-work, private system will be the final health-care system for Americans? I thought that we were trying to get further up the road to full, universal, not-for-profit health-care like the rest of the civilized world. I thought that the road stretched further out than this. My map says it does go further. Maybe the President's map doesn't. He is determined "to be the last" to take up this cause. What does that mean? He said it so forcefully.

ARE WE MOVING FORWARD OR JUST PARKING AGAIN: If Obama delivers real not-for-profit universal health-care to our people, even if it takes him two terms to get there, then yes, Obama will be "the last one" to struggle with it. If not, then he just parked it. I hope not, and so should every progressive.



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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:08 PM
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1. Obama should not be parking it. He should be driving it home for us
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:25 PM
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5. I hope he didn't park it.
Time will tell.
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:07 PM
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35. Trouble is, nobody knows where he stands
... and he calls it a "plan" ...
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:11 PM
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2. I did find myself thinking, I sure hope he's not the last president who deals with this...
Because clearly he wasn't going for single payer universal healthcare ~ I sure as hell don't want to stop with the private insurers and a mandate to give them a windfall.

k&r
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:26 PM
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6. I'm with you.
No more parking.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:15 PM
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3. Your OP wasn't audacity, it was mendacity
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S BOLD DECLARATION ON HEALTH-CARE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE: “I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.” Wow! That sounded terrific until I got to thinking: does this mean that a patch-work, private system will be the final health-care system for Americans?

Given the lead in to that point, do you think he meant the last President to attempt national health care? If reform passes that will have been achieved, the significant foundation for national health care will have been established.

The Audacity of Hope? Audacity? Call It Mendacity.

Americans would have a government-run health-care program to compete against the private insurance companies. Yes, we can, but no he won't.

<...>

That wasn't audacity. It was mendacity.

Your OP, utter crap.



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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:24 PM
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4. So you've settled. That's cool. I haven't. Americans deserve more.
This is a legitimate debate. I want the same first class health-care Europeans and the Japanese have that is not controlled by corporations. I guess you don't. We just differ.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:49 PM
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9. "That wasn't audacity. It was mendacity."
Your OP is bogus.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:54 PM
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10. Are you content with private corporations providing our health-care?
You run from thread to thread attacking me in your notable defense of the President, but you ignore the question I simply pose:

Do you want single-payer, universal, not-for-profit health-care for all Americans or have you settled to park yet once again? Where do you stand?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:01 PM
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:05 PM
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14. Unartful dodge.
Your personal attacks and vulgarity aside, why won't you simply state on a public forum if you support single-payer, not-for-profit healthcare? Why not?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:07 PM
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17. Why? My opinion doesn't change the fact that your OP is crap. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:14 PM
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20. LOL.
.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:48 PM
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8. Of course, he did..thank you, Pro Sense..
"Given the lead in to that point, do you think he meant the last President to attempt national health care? If reform passes that will have been achieved, the significant foundation for national health care will have been established."
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:12 PM
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18. To the contrary
As presently proposed, we would cede even more power to the health insurance industry. Regulated? Perhaps. But with millions upon millions of new customers handed to Big Insurance on a platter. Even the Public Option is now part of privately-run "exchanges" and only for those who are uninsurable.

Reform was never about the need for everyone to have health insurance from the big for-profit health insurance industry. It was about everyone to have HEALTH CARE and not a feed-for-all the the trough for Big Insurance.

On another note, you know what the insurance lobby is doing now? Blocking any reforms from having TEETH. In other words, okay - no pre-existing condition exclusions, but we still get to set the price of their premiums.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:26 PM
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26. It looks that way, doesn't it?
But what the heck? It's the speech that mattered.

Seriously, you write: "millions upon millions of new customers handed to Big Insurance on a platter." That's alarming. Apparently, not here.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:27 PM
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27. Yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of trying to
figure it out but Obama's up there doing the real work while you all are just chattering..

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:32 PM
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28. And what are you doing, Cha? Chattering or participating in the public square like the rest of us?
Your post was insulting. Is this a participatory democracy, or not? Are you suggesting we let the president do what he wants and not point out truths that are uncomfortable? Is this a Democratic Republic, or not?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:39 PM
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29. Right, public forum..full of
cheap shots at the president while he's doing the work.

Yeah, I know some real discussion goes on but so much bullshit.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:41 PM
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30. Where was I wrong in my post? Where is the Public Option AS WE KNEW IT? -nt
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:44 PM
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31. For progressives: it's policy not personality. Thanks for your comments.
Standing for something, especially health-care, is more important than blindly standing for some one.

Policy, not personality. Thanks, democrat2thecore.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 12:05 PM
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38. +1 (n/t)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:55 PM
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11. A Socialist government would have given America free universal health care
brought all the troops home from all foreign wars, guaranteed a free education to all, restored the Constitution, closed down the SOA torture school at Fort Benning, end Plan Colombia and War on Drugs, prosecuted all Bush Administration officials that broke the law and committed war crimes, started a major push to re-industrialize the US, started massive public works projects to repair the decaying national infrastructure, broken the back of media consolidation, shutdown hate radio, repeal DOMA and DADT, give women the same reproductive rights that Soviet women enjoyed in 1920 (no abortion restrictions of any kind), and enshrined in the Constitution full rights for women and LGBTs.

Now, that's the real audacity of hope!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:06 PM
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15. Or even a truly progressive government.
That would indeed by audacious.

Ah, but the speech was great. That's what matters, huh? Personality, not policy.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:13 PM
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19. I think it is time to drink some more of that wonderful Kool-Aid
Care for some?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:16 PM
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21. Maybe it's time to put down the immature images and
deal with facts.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:18 PM
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34. Here's a helpful link for you in case you don't have it book marked.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:40 PM
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43. "http://www.bcbs.com/careers/" You certainly are going to ridiculous extents to imply
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 02:40 PM by ProSense
that because someone believes your argument is bogus they must side with the insurance companies. I think your bogus criticism of Obama is driven by an agenda.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:24 PM
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25. Kool-Aid indeed.
Discipleship is scary, huh?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:21 PM
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24. Or even a conservative government in a civilized part of the world.
The Tories in Britain and the UMP in France, rightists all, support universal healthcare.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:40 PM
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33. Thanks. It's an excellent point, QC.
Only in America. 60 years later and we still can't do it.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:45 PM
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7. My map says we are heading to single-payer.
Whether the President's map says that remains to be seen.

:dem:

-Laelth
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:56 PM
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12. Your map is the progressive map. The other is the Blue Dog, GOP, Corporate Map.
No parking.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:07 PM
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16. Where's that ignore button? Oh, there it is!
Buh bye, now.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:19 PM
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23. In an Era of Responsibility, one must use all tools available,
including ignore.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:16 PM
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22. cute
amateur satire is cute
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:03 PM
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32. That's twice now that I've seen the expression "parked it" used on this board.
I have no idea wtf that means.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:54 AM
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36. Another way of saying he hit a home run.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 08:09 AM
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37. I did a double take when I heard him say this also..........




PRESIDENT OBAMA'S BOLD DECLARATION ON HEALTH-CARE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE: “I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.” Wow! That sounded terrific until I got to thinking: does this mean that a patch-work, private system will be the final health-care system for Americans? I thought that we were trying to get further up the road to full, universal, not-for-profit health-care like the rest of the civilized world. I thought that the road stretched further out than this. My map says it does go further. Maybe the President's map doesn't. He is determined "to be the last" to take up this cause. What does that mean? He said it so forcefully.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:39 PM
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39. Same here...it was a bold statement given the ruckus that's going on
about what will be in the final bill. I found it chilling...but, then I thought...maybe it's just the normal political rhetoric all Presidents do. Still..
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:33 PM
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41. I wasn't alone.
That's good to know, joeycola.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:17 PM
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40. recommended
It's always healthy to keep the pressure on.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:35 PM
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42. I hope he didn't park it.
Thanks.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:46 PM
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44. Just out of curiousity - 2 questions


In a Republic that does not have unified power of the executive and legislative functions, like almost all of the other advanced contries who have a parliment, and then splits the legislative power in two and gives one of the legislative bodies (that is not based on popular representation) super minority power by requiring passage of legislation by super majorities, just exactly how do you imagine that single payer will be approved that would overnight nationalize the entire health insurance industry?

Are you aware that the people who designed the Public Option are in fact strong supporters of single payer and devised it specifically to be a wedge that would eventually grow into state by state single payer?
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