The List: Democrats voting against Wilson reprimand

[jefferson_dem]

Dems voting against reprimand Wilson:
Arcuri
Delahunt
Giffords
Hinchey
Hodes
Kucinich
Maffei
Massa
McDermott
Moore (WI)
Taylor
Teague

Republicans voting to reprimand Wilson:
Cao
Emerson
Flake
Inglis
Jones
Petri
Rohrabacher.

http://twitter.com/jacksonjk

[Betsy Ross]

1. Kucinich? A bit of a surprise. n/t

[jgraz]

Not as much as Rohrbacher voting AYE

!!! :wow:

[Sugarcoated]

73. He was sitting behind Wilson that night and he was the only

Republican in the shot who looked appalled.

[jgraz]

89. The funny thing was, he was the top candidate in my guesses on who the heckler was.

He's always struck me as a colossal douchenozzle. I can't believe he would ever vote the right way on anything.

[Sugarcoated]

96. Lord, but here are so many douchnozzles in the Republican party

especially in the House. Rohrabacher is high up there.

[jefferson_dem]

5. McDermott and Delahunt.

Some hardcore libs there.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Hinchey as well

[Cha]

18. What does that mean "hard core libs" in relation

to this vote? Michael Arcuri voted against it and he brags what a blue dog he is..I should know he's my congressman.

[gateley]

33. I know! I'm stunned to see McDermott's name! nt

[windbreeze]

104. I was too...and Massa?? n/t

[Liberal Gramma]

46. Indeed. That makes me think

it's more of a free speech issue with them.

[gateley]

107. Oh, I bet you're right. nt

[RichGirl]

9. Maybe he wants to....

retain the right to call a right-wing president a liar.

[sandnsea]

23. Which would be completely unacceptable as well

You don't shout out insults at the President. There are plenty of opportunities to say the President is lying and in a way that really matters, unlike this spectacle against our governing system.

[polichick]

13. Yeah, wonder what he's thinking. nt

[Kevin Spidel]

58. He does like the attention...

Maybe this was his way to get interviews to speak to the situation.

[SIMPLYB1980]

2. DK looking bitter. nt

[Bluerthanblue]

3. Hodes? Kucinich?

I don't understand their choices.

:shrug:

[SIMPLYB1980]

8. DK believes Obama is a liar,

only on other points.

[Ikonoklast]

4. Wonder if all the Kucinich fans will defend this crap move?

What the hell was he thinking?

[dionysus]

6. they'll come in screaming that obama is a corporatist (fascist), and that saint dennis the perfect

is a noble hero supporting free speech.

[Cha]

14. Yeah, wtf? Is that like glen greenwald spouting..

"Obama isn't king"?

[BeyondGeography]

15. Then they can rev up their Iowa organization like they did last time

Wait...

[dionysus]

20. .

:spray:

[jefferson_dem]

22. Still waiting on that "Department of Peace"...

:crazy:

[SIMPLYB1980]

25. LOL!nt

[Ikonoklast]

19. Lots of old-school ethnics in Dennis' district.

Racism is alive and well there; they wouldn't be too angry at a Joe Wilson or someone supporting him.

True colors always shine through.

[ShortnFiery]

29. I don't believe that for one moment. eom

[Ikonoklast]

39. It's true, however. Believe it or not.

Kucinich also had some serious issues with the black community as mayor.

If you know anyone that lives in or near Cleveland, and is familiar with the political terrain here, the old ethnic vote was always along racial lines in who they voted for.

Now, not so much after all the white flight of the last thirty years, they have all run to the suburbs.

Dennis is a politician, first and always. He says and does what he needs to do in order to get elected. And if that included a little pandering to an entirely white, eastern European descended audience that didn't want black people moving into their neighborhood, he did it.

I was there. I heard what the man said back then...you know, when he was firmly anti-abortion.

[ShortnFiery]

43. I will take the time do some research and look into his days as Mayor.

I'll take your point and research. Thank-you.

p.s. I still hope you're wrong but I will check his past out more thoroughly. :hi:

[Berry Cool]

47. What Ikonoklast says is true. Unfortunate, but true.

Before Dennis the Menace became the liberal hero of everyone outside of Cleveland, he was in Cleveland playing race politics with the white European ethnics who populated his part of the city.

Then he did a "wonderful" job as mayor, barely avoiding being recalled because he insisted on giving big business the finger rather than trying to find ways that business and government could work in concert to help make life better for people.

The only good thing he ever did was save the city electrical plant. But it was a Pyrrhic victory--it ultimately resulted in the city going into default.

Dennis is not the god people think he is. Obama's not a god either, just in case anyone thinks I'm saying he is. If Obama bends over backwards too much to please others, well, Dennis won't budge a damn inch to work with anyone, and that doesn't fly.

There are no gods. We deal with what we can get. I'm just saying, some people continue to believe we'd have sunshine and rainbows if Dennis was prez. I'm here to tell you, we would not. And I'm not the only Clevelander who will say that.

[msallied]

74. I know what you mean. He's an idealogue, which is what we don't need in a leader.

As the last 8 years have taught us...

[verges]

99. Dennis's problem has

always been that he doesn't play well with others.

[Cha]

30. That's no excuse..you do

what's right as in the rules of the House.

And, set an historic example.

[Phx_Dem]

84. By all means, don't offend your racist constituents.

:puke:

[girl gone mad]

35. Obama is a corporatist.

Kucinich isn't perfect, by any means.

But, if we're going to drag out voting records, how about we compare votes on issues that count? War funding? PATRIOT Act?

Do you guys really want to walk down this path? Honestly?

[Berry Cool]

49. Believing business is not ALL bad does not equal "corporatist." n/t

[Hansel]

62. Obama's not a corporatist. He's a pragmatic.

Calling him a corporatist is about as extreme as calling him a socialist.

[CBR]

67. Honestly, DK is ok but I would put Prez Obama's intellect and

class up against DK's any day of the week.

[dionysus]

77. walk down what path? DK has good intentions, but lacks the ability to lead or

even be a contender for national office.

so yes i'd stack obama against him any day of the week.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

85. Whatever hater...I guess these Kucinich yes votes are on issues that don't count...

Credit Cardholders’ Bill of Rights Act of 2009

TARP Reform and Accountability Act

Stimulus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8647927&mesg_id=8648034

Standby for him to vote on the house health reform bill as well.

You're worst kind of purist. One who is a big, fat hypocrite.

[girl gone mad]

88. Seriously??

Do you even know what TARP Reform and Accountability Act was?

This bill will amend the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) provisions of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (EESA) to strengthen accountability, close loopholes, increase transparency, and require Treasury to take significant steps on foreclosure mitigation. It further requires that Treasury act promptly to permit the smaller community financial institutions that have been shut out so far to participate on the same terms as the large institutions that have already received funds.

Common Cause strongly supports this legislation and urges Congress to pass HR 384 before releasing the second half of the bailout funds.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=4923225

Get your facts straight before you start accusing others of hypocrisy.

[msallied]

97. Most on the far left hated TARP. It was a huge thing on this board when it was up for a vote.

As many thought it was a big giveaway to Wall Street. Get YOUR facts straight.

[girl gone mad]

100. Kucinich voted against TARP.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

What you are referring to is a bill to bring some accountability to TARP. Again, get YOUR facts straight.

[ShortnFiery]

27. I admire Kucinich, but I don't agree with him on this stance. eom

[zippy890]

40. He's not a team player nt

[WinkyDink]

52. I'm a DK fan, and I'll have you know I find THIS action inexcusable.

[DevonRex]

57. Thank you. nt

[tekisui]

63. I love DK, he got this wrong.

[DevonRex]

64. Thank you. nt

[Sky Masterson]

7. Rohrabacher for Kucinich against

This really speaks volumes.
This was a hard vote!

[polichick]

11. Thanks! What about the 5 who voted present?

[Thrill]

12. wow just wow. Very disappointed in Kucinch and Hodes

wow

[rufus dog]

16. Anyone find a reason for any of the Dems voting Nay?

I read the resolution, from my take it is very hard to justify a Nay vote. No allocation of funds, no impact on any other bill, it is just a formal smack to Wilson for being a jackass.

[Cha]

21. Not only a jackass but

it's against the rules of the House.

I think an explaination is in order..I plan to as my congressman, Arcuri.

[TEXASYANKEE]

17. Frank?

I thought Barney Frank was quoted as saying he'd vote against? I must say, I'm not really surprised that Flake voted for.

[marybourg]

86. Really (re Flake)? I'm staggered by it. It's the first time I ever

agreed with him, on anything. To me he appears an archetypal wingnut.

[bullwinkle428]

102. Barney Frank voted "Present" - I think he wanted full censure.

[Dappleganger]

109. That's not what he said on a news show.

Can't remember his exact words, but he said he wasn't about to begin deciding who was a jerk in Congress (very paraphrased). I think that he meant that he would err on the side of free speech and he was the last person to judge where the line should be drawn.

I disagree: the rules of what speech is not allowed are clearly defined and should be upheld for the sake of civility and being an example to the rest of the country.

[Fire1]

24. Oh HELL naw!! Not the almighty revered perfect one!!!!!!

KUCINICH?????????????????????????????????? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!:rofl:

[dionysus]

32. somewhere his magic unicorn drops dead from the sky

[Control-Z]

26. Who were the 5 chickenshits

that voted present?

[polichick]

34. That's what I just called them on another thread - at least the others took a stand. nt

[Control-Z]

45. Isn't that the truth.

Nothing like hiding behind a present vote. I'd rather know someone is a jerk than just assume it. I'm not sure who they think they're fooling.

[krawhitham]

55. list

DEMS PRESENT
Engel
Foster
Frank (MA)
Shea-Porter
Skelton

[Control-Z]

65. Barney Frank?

Someone said he was quoted saying he'd vote against it. His way of not siding with the repukes, perhaps?

[polichick]

28. Here's Hodes' statement (from his website)...

"We need to work together as Republicans and Democrats to craft a bill that seeks to lower costs, increase quality of care, and put families back in control of their health care. In my judgment, it’s time to move on and I do not support this resolution. We should not allow Mr. Wilson’s reckless conduct to overshadow the need to work together to craft a strong health care reform measure that gives Americans lower costs, more choice, and real control in a fiscally responsible fashion.”

http://hodes.house.gov/

[Control-Z]

44. Yeah. And letting

the fuckwad get away with deplorable behavior would hasten a bipartisan effort to "work together to craft a strong health care reform measure that gives Americans lower costs, more choice, and real control in a fiscally responsible fashion"?

I'm sorry. It would have set a precedent for free-for-all outbursts in the future by these bullies. Offensive behavior has been practiced by both parties throughout history. But President Obama has been treated extraordinarily bad and must be shown the same respect that has been given to every president before him.

[Uzybone]

31. Kucinich

jeebus.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

36. Kucinch and Giffords on the same side of a vote.

That's a rarity. Giffords is a POS republocrat.

[Occam Bandage]

37. Petty move by DK. nt

[DevonRex]

61. One might call it bitter, even. nt

[bluestateguy]

38. Calling all Kucinich apologists

Oh this ought to be good.

[ShortnFiery]

41. No, many of us are disappointed but KNOW it has nothing to do about race

as was hinted at above.

However, unlike right wingers and/or true adorers of some democrats, we can still admire Dennis Kucinich on the vast majority of issues he aptly represents.

[polichick]

42. There's no statement on his site yet - I'd love to know his reason. nt

[SIMPLYB1980]

48. He will probably use it to raise money,

like he did with his last Obama is a corporatist tirade.

[frylock]

72. disappointed by kucinich's vote..

don't know where you get this apologist shit from. it must hard to be an obama fanboy and see that DK fans can call him out when we think he's fucked up.

[jenmito]

50. I'm happy but surprised Barney Frank didn't vote against it after what he said. n/t

[krawhitham]

53. he pussed out and voted PRESENT

[jenmito]

60. Oh. Well, at least he didn't vote against it.

[Captain Hilts]

51. Kucinich and McDermott. Interesting. nt

[quantass]

54. Kucinich? That IS a surprise considering i no nothing about Politics.

Very strange why he's doing this..or rather, not doing this.

[DevonRex]

56. I've now lost what little respect I had for old Dennis. He's in the woo-woo Nader

camp from now on as far as I'm concerned.

[Hansel]

66. Kucinich/Nader 2012!

Hope they are never together in the same room as their egos would crush each other.

[DevonRex]

68. Ain't that the truth? But hey, they could count on each other's votes.

Maybe. :evilgrin:

[dionysus]

105. ROFL

[tekisui]

69. I have never found a politician I agree with 100% of time. Maybe

Bernie Sanders, and Feingold rarely lets me down. DK is usually right on. I think he played an important role in moving the debate to the left in 2008. Sometimes, though, he throws crazy curve balls. He makes a lot of 'ethical' votes or 'symbolic' votes. When a bill is going to sail through and he opposes it on principle. He openly considered joining a ticket with Ron Paul, I still don't understand that. I think he has a place in politics,and he is in it. He is in a district that keeps sending him to Congress. He has the platform to espouse positions few dare to take in DC. He got this one wrong, and will from time to time. But, I am still glad he is there.

[DevonRex]

70. It was the Ron Paul thing that pushed me out of the DK camp for good.

My brain hurts just thinking about it. But, before the last primary season really got going, I must admit that DK's philosophy was much closer to mine than anybody else's.

[NorthCarolina]

83. Lost "What Little Respect" you had? No big loss then n/t

[DevonRex]

87. Nope. No big loss at all. The Ron Paul thing was the big loss. nt

[wroberts189]

59. Some names on that list do not make any sense at all. Kucinich? Delahunt? wtf? nt

[msallied]

71. Shocked at the Kucinich vote. Seriously.

[bvar22]

75. DK probably agrees with Obama....

...that debating and voting on whether the congressman from SC is an asshole is a total waste of time and a diversion from Life or Death issues that SHOULD be dominating the business in Congress.
As Feel Goody as this resolution may be, it IS a complete waste of time, and creates a martyr for the rabid conservatives.
The potential for unintended consequences is HIGH.
It also makes The Democrats appear as petty as The Republicans.
Congress should have followed Obama's example.

Just a guess.
I'll wait until DK makes an announcement.

[msallied]

78. Not reprimanding sets a precedent for future behavior.

But yes, let's let the Democrats do what they've always done and be doormats for the Republicans. :eyes:

[bvar22]

79. There are other ways to deal with this.

Do you think Obama made himself a doormat?

[msallied]

This isn't about Obama directly. This is about the rules that Congress sets for itself.

Disregard the rules and you might as well not have them. You start opening the door to make it permissible to disrespect the office of the president, you'll never get it shut. That racist a-hole needed to be formally slapped on the wrist if anything to make it known that no one was going to be complicit in that kind of behavior.

Besides, it took one freaking hour. It's not like a damn Ken Starr investigation.

[last_texas_dem]

76. Dems look like an odd mix of Blue Dogs and a few of the more liberal members of the House

Weird...

[burning rain]

80. Massa.......

Not gonna touch that... not gonna say anything........

[renegade000]

91. actually i'm curious

I go to college in Upstate NY, but I don't know the local politics well (I vote absentee in VA). What's the deal with Massa?

[dionysus]

92. RIT? i'm in rochester and i'd like to know the deal with massa as well. i've liked the guy

[OswegoAtheist]

103. "We have better things to do"

According to his website:

"My vote against formally reprimanding Rep. Wilson is based on my belief that we should be doing more important things now that Congress is back in session," said Congressman Eric Massa. "I strongly disapproved of Joe Wilson's outburst last week, but I think it's more important for us to be working on solutions rather than voicing more objections to something that happened almost a full week ago. The issues facing the American people are more important than myself, Rep. Wilson, or President Obama and I think we owe it to the public to continue working for them right now."

Oswego "still don't agree with that" Atheist

[jbnow]

106. Except it doesn't take more time to vote yes than it does no

Wilson gave same reason for not apologizing to House...there were more important things to do.
Fine. Wilson would have saved the house a lot of time by simply saying "I'm sorry, now let's get to work"

[firedupdem]

81. Inexcusable....for all of them...especially the dems. n/t

[BootinUp]

82. It would probably be interesting to hear DK explain this vote. nt

[Robb]

94. Indeed. It usually is. nt

[renegade000]

90. Arcuri, Hinchey, Maffei, & Massa?

All upstate NY reps, can't be just coincidence...
I go to college in Hinchey's district, but I don't know the local politics well. Any idea why they all voted this way?

[redsoxrudy]

93. What I don't get is

the liberals on the list have made statements saying this vote is a waste of time. Well, then why the fuck did bother to show up and vote. Kind of like Boehner saying this issue is a waste of time then requesting an additional 15 minutes for debate.

[Thrill]

95. Even if it was a waste of time. Why not vote Yes? I don't get it

You wasted your time voting no. Why not vote yes?

[Dinger]

98. Kucinich and Moore? WTF? (nt)

[sybylla]

101. What about Petri?

There's a WTF on the other side of the equation for sure. It can't be because he's worried about re-election, can it?

[PVnRT]

108. This thread is amazing. Now Kucinich is a racist.

Un-fucking-real.