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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:32 AM Original message |
Should Obama, et al. really be dictating who can run for GOV in NYS? |
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secondwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. You have a say, but it might not amount to anything if things get really close (bad).....I |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. Certainly, Sir |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Hear, Hear! |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
75. When I read "acts as a cohesive bloc", my first thought was |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
91. but Sir! we must be mad about this and insist patterson run, and lose in a landslide, like he will! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
120. Yup. nt |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. Obama already dictated his choices for Senate to Democrats in Colorado and Pennsylvania |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. As should we... I'm thinking. nt |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
48. Well if the President dictated something along those lines |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. He's sort of the head of the Democratic Party, so yes, but... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Obama supports Arlan Specter in Pennsylvania primary race |
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Bumblebee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. a. yes b. the post really should not be this long. just a link and one paragraph |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
6. In effect he is the leader of Democratic Party |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You really need to read some history! |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Obama is acting like Stalin? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Stalin? Extreme hyperbole. Obama is stating a preference, not dictating. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Tossing rhetoric such as comparing Obama to Stalin |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Obama has thrown his support behind Arlan Specter in Pennsylvania |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. So go challenge it. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. I will definitely be driving a couple of hours to PA to work as hard as possible for |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Stalin? I thought he was Hitler or the last of the Romanovs. I'm confused. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. Who is the leader of the DEM party when a Repuke |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
100. The chairman of the national party as far as electoral politics go. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
8. Why not Paterson keeps shooting himself in the foot... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. Apparently Cuomo is Obama's designated candidate. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
69. You know the article was based on anonymity in the press which just means bullshit... |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
101. Is Cuomo Obama's "chosen candidate" or is Obama supporting Cuomo because his |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. All previous presidents have voiced their opinions on who should be elected. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
10. Yes, being the head of the party and if he wants us to win any races in NY |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. lol thats funny he can't even dictate to dems in congress yet he wants others to be his serfs nt |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. He is not really dictating, just suggesting and having support for certain candidates |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Telling Pennsylvania Democrats to not mount a primary challenge to Specter goes beyond suggestion |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. No it's really not dictating |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. It will wound... perhaps mortally... the challenger... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 03:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
85. No, if anything, it would just hurt the President |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. FDR is a poor example. First, he died 65 years ago. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
109. Patterson will still be governor during the November elections |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. In that case , they've managed to create a lose-lose situation..... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. They generally stay out of local primary fights.... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. No, they usually don't |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
95. if they think Bennet has the "best chance of winning" in CO |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. Remember this: It's OK If You Are Republican. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Oh, fuck your "serfs" stupid |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
110. Good point. nt |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. We could run Derek Jeter and surely win. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
13. Patterson will do what he wants to and NYers will elect or trouce who they want |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
15. lol@ "dictating" how funny nt |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Not so funny, if you look at it objectively. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Then Israel, McCarthy, and Maloney don't deserve to be Senators |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Neither does Gillibrand. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Well Gillibrand is a Senator |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
16. Their concern is the House |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. you nailed it |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Yes, that is a big concern and it looks like PO is getting active |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. This has the stench of Rahm Emanuel all over it |
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rvablue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
102. +1,000,000!! n/t |
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Meeker Morgan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
23. Please. The president is making suggestions not giving orders. n/t |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. Think of the President as the standard bearer. He's the coach. The ship's |
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Robbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
34. Oh Please |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
39. This bothers me greatly as well. He and Biden are inserting themselves into PA politics as well... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. and in the Colorado senatorial primary as well! |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Saddens me deeply. I knew that he was no progressive from the beginning, |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. I'm in Colorado and there is no |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Good god. That's what I'm saying. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
105. with all due respect, the president and his team aren't dictating |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
47. Yes he absolutely should |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. The article states request. Not dictate. BIG difference. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
50. I commented on this on another post last night. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. I am a New Yorker and I'm not one bit pissed..Au contraire |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I guess it's the libertarian in me |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I understand..I just hope we don't get |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Suppose Paterson wins the primary anyway. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. We'll cross that bridge when |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. I'll answer my own question: YES, of course it does. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #66 |
84. Cuomo leads Patterson by more than 2 to 1 in latest polling and |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
99. if patterson can overcome what you apparently see as a big roadblock |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #99 |
117. "Historically unpopular". "Historically"?! He became GOV on 3-17-08. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. You may not like the fact that he's dropped farther and faster than anyone in NY history |
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GivePeaceAchance (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. +1 to that. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
51. Obama Is Trying To Prevent Guliani from Being NY Governor |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Obama is doing Rahm Emanuel's dirty business |
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iceman66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. This is absolutely correct. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Exactly why is he so unelectable? nt |
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iceman66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. For ONE thing, |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I thought the millionaires were fleeing the state because of HIGH taxes: |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. We will see in another year.... |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
87. That's right. Rudy Giuliani is still very popular in NY with the GOP and with him at the top |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
54. Dictating? He is just suggesting. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'm not a fan of the Federal gov't injecting itself into state gov't affairs - |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. It maybe more than Paterson's low poll numbers but a video he made regarding union workers |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. He lost this state months ago. People that don't live here just don't know. |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Historic NY Have to agree with you! And that video was the last nail in his political coffin |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Thanks for more information on why |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. You're Welcome Cha! I wish more people understood. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
104. how is this the "federal government" inject ing itself into state govt affairs? |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Sorry but I disagree. As President, Obama is the HEAD of our Federal Government - |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. well, I guess we'll just disagree. But I do have a question |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. IMO, campaigning on behalf of a candidate vs. influencing who should - |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. To clarify: you don't mind "federal interference" so long as it occurs after the primary? |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Campaigning and interfering are two totally different things - |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
81. OK, Back up |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. DonCoquixote Kirsten Gillibrand is for public option & you can sign her petition here: |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:03 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Thanks for the info |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. Thanks again, girl, ..Kristin Gillibrand |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
83. Absolutely! This is politics in real life, not a civics text or... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
89. Very strange: not a single reply defending the president.... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
103. What "Times" story? Is there a link? Maybe some of us don't |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
115. It's in the OP. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
90. I'm from NY and Paterson never had a snowballs chance before Pres. Obama said anything anyway.... |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
92. I don't consider him as dictating. He's practicing his community organizing skills which he is |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
93. No one is "dictating" anything, but he's the leader of the Democratic party, so yes |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm not sure - but wish he'd campaign for progressives who run against blue dogs. nt |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
96. He's not dictating |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
97. The head of the party always influence in these areas. If Dr Dean was pushing a candidate |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
108. i don't understand why this would be out there like it is. I mean, one would think |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. Exactamente. See my post # 89 re. "fit of pique". |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Yeah, and your imagination is |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 05:45 AM Response to Reply #118 |
125. but here is where we are right now in NYS... we have mr 911 himself .... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Paterson has been gov for all of 18 months. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
112. He's not dictating. He made a suggestion, which was rejected, by the way. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
113. As President, Obama is the head of the Democratic Party. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #113 |
124. Will Rogers: I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
114. No. |
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