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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:22 PM
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Under the radar President Obama advances long term prospects for peace.
As the media is lost in the trivialities of the General Assembly speeches today something major has happened that points to a real step down to a more premanent foundation of peace in the future.

As WWII wound down international strategy of the FDR administration was centered on a principle of multilateralism among super powers as the key to avoid major conflict and war.

That is why the UN Security Council is a much more powerful UN Organ than the UN General Assembly.

During the last 8 years the Bush Administration has done everything it can to undermine the bi-partisan strategy that has existed through ever Republican and Democratic administration since Truman of trying to avoid unnecessary confrontations with other major powers and find ways to cooperate to find peaceful solutions.

The Iraq war was one obvious example of this, the appointment of the iconclastic adolescent Bolton as ambassador, and the mindless committment to building a modern Maginot Line in the Czech Republic irritating the Russians for no good reason.

Today just a week after http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/09/17/united.states.missile.shield/index.html">the US scraps European defense shield Russian President Medvedev indicated a major change in American/Russian strategy in confronting Iran:





http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27507.html


White House hails Russia/Iran breakthrough



NEW YORK—The White House is hailing a brief public comment from Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that raises the specter of sanctions against Iran as a breakthrough for U.S. efforts to win support for a tougher global line against Tehran’s nuclear program.


At a meeting with President Barack Obama here Wednesday afternoon, Medvedev said Russia was opposed to Iran developing nuclear weapons and would consider sanctions if other avenues fail to persuade the Islamic Republican to abandon its alleged nuclear ambitions.


“We believe we need to help Iran to make a right decision,” Medvedev said. “As to...sanctions, Russia's belief is very simple, and I stated it recently. Sanctions rarely lead to productive results. But in some cases sanctions are inevitable. Finally, it is a matter of choice.”


The National Security Council’s point person for Russia, Michael McFaul, said the Russian president’s comments were the kind of statement the U.S. officials had been seeking from Moscow for months.


“To me, that’s a very big change in their position,” said McFaul, who was clearly delighted as he discussed the development with reporters soon after the session. “I can’t improve on what President Medvedev said.”


“I don’t really see any daylight about our objectives in terms of Iran,” McFaul said.

“It was not that long ago where we had very divergent definitions of the threat and definitions of our strategic objectives vis-a-vis Iran.”








By building a consensus with other powerful countries, including Russia and China, the possibilities for resolving differences with even recalcitrant or 'outlaw' states without the use of force increases geometrically.

Not getting big headlines the joint meeting and announcement by President Obama and President Medvedev is a significant change in the way major powers work together on issues that will effect peace and war.

Today was a good day for peace.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:43 PM
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1. Sounds like a BRAVO to me!
By building a consensus with other powerful countries, including Russia and China, the possibilities for resolving differences with even recalcitrant or 'outlaw' states without the use of force increases geometrically.

Not getting big headlines the joint meeting and announcement by President Obama and President Medvedev is a significant change in the way major powers work together on issues that will effect peace and war.

Today was a good day for peace.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:13 PM
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2. You mean constantly threatening everyone
who disagrees with you is a bad strategy?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:25 AM
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6. funny how that works isn't it.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:16 PM
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3. The speech was important, too
He basically told other countries: Look, if you like this America, then you have to play ball and give back. If you don't want to return to the George Bush days, then what I'm trying to do needs to work. And that depends on you.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 11:59 PM
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4. The speech was good but it doesn't have much of an impact on heads of governments

What they have seen is that the President 1) is actually listening to their point of view and 2) is willing to act on a basis of mutual respect 3) wants to build future agreements on a rational basis.


It just is painful to think what we lost in the last 8 years.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:19 AM
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5. Thank you grantcart

"What they have seen is that the President 1) is actually listening to their point of view and 2) is willing to act on a basis of mutual respect 3) wants to build future agreements on a rational basis."
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:30 AM
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7. That speech was an amazing Mission
Statement, imv.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:36 AM
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8. Thanks, grant..when I
think of PO at the UN..one can't help but think of the last 8 bush+cheney years desecrating the United Nations.

This is very good news..it can't just be the US alone that wants to help Iran make "the right decision".

“We believe we need to help Iran to make a right decision,” Medvedev said. “As to...sanctions, Russia's belief is very simple, and I stated it recently. Sanctions rarely lead to productive results. But in some cases sanctions are inevitable. Finally, it is a matter of choice.”


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 04:09 PM
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12. and even more good news today
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:09 PM
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9. It is amazing how the mediawhores ignore all good news and possible positive news slants
when it comes to this President!

They even attempted to claim that Obama's position was just like Bush's!!! :wow:

Just like some DUers here; no news is good news when it comes to what Obama is doing.
If it's positive, count on it to sink. If it can be twisted as a negative, there will
be upteenth threads on the matter, with the very important "This is not the change that I voted for". :eyes:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:17 PM
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10. The irony is that this is something that is really worthwhile for pundits to consider

A change in American/Russian relations brings a new approach to Iran.

Iran is highly unlikely to try to stand up to a unified Security Council.

A change in Iranian policy will have a profound change on Israeli interest in real negotiation.

A change in Iranian policy will have an impact on Hamas and Hezbollah.

So in this little unnoticed moment there may be the seeds to start a chain of events that would have some impact on Israeli/Palestinian negotiations.

Instead we have to listen to fat ass Bennett talking about symbolic moves that will have no effect on Iran and that we need to stop trying to cow tow to the Russians.

But miracle of miracles my TV has survived to receive signals another day, today, however is not looking too promising.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:59 PM
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11. K&R
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