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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:44 AM
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Kent Conrad claims U.S. doesn’t need a public option because France doesn’t have one. (updated)
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 09:50 AM by ProSense

Kent Conrad claims U.S. doesn’t need a public option because France doesn’t have one.

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) has been one of the fiercest opponents of including a new public plan in health care reform legislation, even going so far as to say that it’s a “wasted effort” to even try to get one. At a hearing before the Senate Finance Committee this past Tuesday, Conrad made a curious argument against the public option — he cited the French health care system as an example of why we don’t need one:

Let me just conclude for my progressive friends who believe that the only answer to getting costs under control and having universal coverage is by a government-run program. I urge my colleagues to read the book by T.R. Reid, “The Healing of America.”

I had the chance to read it this weekend. He looks at the health-care systems around the world. And what he found is in many countries they have universal coverage. They contain costs effectively. They have high-quality outcomes, in fact higher than ours. They’re not government-run systems in Germany, in Japan, in Switzerland, in France, in Belgium — all of them contain costs, have universal coverage, have very high quality care and yet are not government-run systems.

The truth is, as the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein notes, France has had a public insurance system that covers all of its citizens since 1945. Known as Sécurité Sociale (social security), their public insurance program accounts for nearly 75 percent of total health expenditures in France, and people have the option of buying complementary private health insurance if they’d like. In its most recent ranking of health care systems, the World Health Organization concluded that France has the best health care system in the world.


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Kent Conrad Makes German Health Care Relevant!

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It’s true, I suppose, that the system in Germany isn’t “government-run” in some sense. What happens in Germany is that the vast majority of the population is required to buy insurance from one of about 200 non-profit “sickness funds” that are prohibited from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions. In addition, funds with healthier client pools need to transfer some of their money to funds with higher-cost pools. Fund administrators are paid more money for signing up more customers. There’s an official organization of stakeholders (health providers, sickness funds, employers, labor unions, public officials) that more-or-less sets payment rates and sets them lower than they are in the United States. The poor get subsidies to pay their premiums to the funds.

And, last, about ten percent of the population is rich enough to opt out of the sickness fund pool and sign up for more expensive private health insurance that pays doctors more and thus tends to get priority service for its clients.

It’s true that this meets a technical definition of “not government-run.” But the extent to which the Germany system isn’t government run doesn’t extend to dealing with any of the concerns of private industry. Which is fine by me, but nothing in Conrad’s talk of co-ops and such has suggested that he’s serious trying to put for-profit health insurance out of business, which is exactly what the German model does.



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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:49 AM
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1. Is he being cynical or is he really that dumb?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:49 AM
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2. Kent Conrad is brilliant.
Or not.

Pointing out the very good results of government health programs while ranting against government health programs. Brilliant strategy to get real health care reform passed, don't you think?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:51 AM
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3. I think this is called for here:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 09:53 AM
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4. America doesn't need a chanteuse because France doesn't have one
Oh, wait - they did. Her name was Josephine Baker, and she was born an American! Perish the freakin' thought.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 10:48 AM
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5. He just repeated it-that those countries don't have govt.-run health care!
What is WRONG with him?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:03 AM
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6. He's trying to drum up more business for Blue Cross Blue Shied of ND n/t
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 11:04 AM
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7. The Stupid Is Strong With This One...
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:06 PM
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8. Fine, the US needs to copy France's system to a tee then.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:10 PM
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9. Exactly!
Conrad is a fool.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:14 PM
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10. Could they make dinos anymore disingenuous?
Edited on Thu Sep-24-09 12:15 PM by Cha
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 12:22 PM
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11. Kent Conrad and two other homo sapiens enter a bar


There is a Kent Conrad joke about to erupt every time somebody quotes him.


Here is the funny thing about Conrad, even though he says that we don't have the votes for PO, and that it isn't a good idea, etc. etc. etc. He never actually comes out and says that he is personally against it or that he is going to vote against it.
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