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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:58 AM
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What affect would a Single Payer System have on our market competitiveness?
It would seem that a Single Payer System would make our products more competitive in the international market. I would appreciate some input or sources. Also I don't see that insurance companies provide anything in providing better health care and in fact only exist to create profits for their share holders and outrageous compensation for management.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:20 AM
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1. Take HC SPending from 17 to 12% and defense spending in half pay off the debt and...
...tarrif some of the imports or force the foreign nations to reduce theirs and we're on our way towards healing the middle class.

I work in finance, we'd have more inflation pressure but it'd come from the middle class VS just government or the rich throwing more money into circulation.

Conservative econ principles are GREAT for concentrating and growing wealth it's horrible for sustaining it and the middle class
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:26 AM
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2. It would help the US at many levels.
But those against reform have little concern for such things.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:35 AM
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3. More proof the GOP is VERY VERY short sighted, they should fight to be a PART of economic recovery
...and revamping even the deflation of our currency so we can export more and make the "Free Trade" Fair Trade.

They can run a candidate that can say I was on board with that direction be could've done better for reason a, b, c but now Obama can take all the credit for lowering the debt, fixing the banking system and revamping the economy towards he middle class.

But knowing the DNC they'll let the GOP take credit even though they are fighting against them openly like they're doing with the simulus.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:11 AM
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9. you do not want
deflation. It means wages are going down or stagnant, while debt remains level, making it harder to pay off that debt. Additionally, deflation is a sign of a very weak economy on that is stagnant or recessionary.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:07 AM
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4. Isn't it ironic?
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 07:07 AM by Warren Stupidity
A conversion of a portion of our economy from market based to socialist public good would increase the competitiveness of the rest of our economy? It makes heads explode.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:14 AM
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5. It might have a good EFFECT.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:41 AM
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6. YES. Ford, GM and Chrysler have to pay healthcare. VW, Vauxhall, Toyota, etc. do not. nt
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:11 AM
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10. one thing though
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 11:13 AM by sabbat hunter
they do pay HC costs in the US plants.

But I agree we do need single payer in the USA.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:49 PM
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14. Yes, they do pay HC in the US, but...they get HUGE taxbreaks by states to set up there..
there is quite a tax cut bidding war among states to get car plants.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:50 AM
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7. Single-payer is the only model that REALLY cuts costs.
We will end up with single payer , eventually. Let's hope it's not AFTER a huge collapse of our economy.There is no room for profit margins in basic health care.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:55 AM
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8. I consider it the #1 reason to reform healthcare.

Which is why I'm not too thrilled with the public option. However, I do feel the public option will eventually evolve into single payer. Better late than never.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:46 AM
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11. this is absolutely true
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:50 AM
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12. What products are you referring to? nt
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:46 PM
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13. If health insurance was no longer an expense of businesses they could lower prices of products and
services and it would be a reason to not offshore so many jobs and plants. It might even bring back some manufacturing to this country.
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