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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:35 AM
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When Wingnut Worlds Collide: The Craziest TownHall Ever - Bachmann and Paul
What happens when ultra-religious neocon Michele Bachmann co-hosts a town hall with anti-authority libertarian Ron Paul? Wingnut worlds collide. Maureen O'Connor reports.

Ask a liberal to describe a “crazy Republican,” and their description is likely to fit one of two archetypes. First and most classically would be the fanatically religious Bush-era neocon, a flag-waving patriot who likens gay sex to bestiality and fantasizes about lobbing nukes at Iran. The second, newer iteration would be members of the “Ron Paul Revolution.” Though Rep. Ron Paul’s philosophy is grounded in Constitutional libertarianism, he is also notorious for attracting conspiracy theorists and people who own multiple assault rifles.

Logically, the camps are mutually exclusive; “family values libertarian” is practically an oxymoron. But on Friday night Congress’ evangelical mascot du jour, Rep. Michele Bachmann, nevertheless co-hosted a town hall meeting with Paul at the University of Minnesota’s Northrop Auditorium, drawing 2,000 people and marking a tenuous foray into a potent—if paradoxical—political syncretism.

In the hours leading up to meeting’s start, activists waved signs and stood in clusters of like-minded people. A trio of men wearing black 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB t-shirts handed out DVDs explaining various conspiracy theories. A lone drummer, dressed in full Revolutionary garb and a white powdered wig, marched back and forth across the plaza without speaking to anyone.

<SNIP>

I wanted to ask Bachmann about the census controversy, but after the town hall she made herself scarce, while Paul stepped down from the stage and waded into the crowd. Under the watchful eye of several security guards, he walked back and forth in the front of the room, signing books, posters, and one man’s wallet. When my turn came I asked about the census taker’s death. Paul stood still and looked at me, silent for a moment, then said, “I am against violence.” I then asked: “Do you worry that you might inspire your more radical followers to violence?”

Like clockwork, a man in a hunting jacket descended on me and began to yell. “You think the Constitution is radical? You think my rights are radical? How can you even ask that, you stupid, stupid—” Ron Paul ignored the sputtering man, repeating, “I am against violence.” He paused a moment, then moved on. The yelling man faded back into the crowd, while Paul drifted down the line of autograph-seekers, posing for pictures and answering questions.

<SNIP>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-26/the-craziest-town-hall-ever/
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:42 AM
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1. Nah, they are able to justify it in their own, twisted minds.....
.... your typical values voter would swear to your face that "BIG GOVERNMENT" is impeding on their rights to worship God. They cite that Youtube of the schoolkids, "hmmm hmmm hmmm, Barack Hussein Obama..." saying that kids are being FORCED to "worship" Obama when they can't worship God in school. I often challenge my fellow church members to find me ONE public school where a child has tried to study his or her Bible or for the students tried to hold any kind of worship service out of study hours yet was forbidden .... and they cant.

They dont realize that it's the very government they loathe that PROTECTS our freedom to worship however, whenever and whereever we like. It's sheer irony that these (small) waves of white masses crying they have no power against the very government they built and have run for the past 200 + years.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:27 AM
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3. +1 ~
:hi:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:36 AM
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4. They can also pray when/however they want to, but they only want to pray Publicly
Did you see their manifesto of values lastnight posted here?

THEOCRACY + the Divinity of Property/MoneyIStheValueofALLThings

I taught in public highschool in Oklahoma. Everyone's a "Christian" Minister who thinks that WAR is okay.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:39 AM
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5. Some people like to send their young men and women into the Military, because they themselves aren't
Good Parents and they want their kids "straightened out". I have heard a "youth minister" update a family re their son's recent enlistment being a solution to some of their problems.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:31 PM
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11. Interesting. So they declared themselves failures as parents, but
want "Teh Gubbamint" to straighten out their mistakes.

Give 'em some discipline, some boundaries, penalties for bad behavior...what a good parent should have done.

I thought all those people were against teh gubbamint interfering in how they raise their kids, but when the kid turns out to be a problem, they dump his dumb ass off on the military to fix?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:06 AM
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2. Someone should explain to the gun nut that it is not about IF he can
carry a gun. It is about what he can DO with the gun. As far as I can see the bachmanns and becks are calling for dangerous actions regardless of what weapon their listeners choose to use.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:48 AM
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7. Are there guns at their rallies?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:53 AM
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8. Hate IS Crazy!

Fox is a CULT - bad for your mind!!

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:44 AM
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6. The kids can also pray whenever they want to as long as it isn't disruptive.
They could do nothing but pray and the teacher would just have to put up with them.

Somehow objections always seem to center around limitations on their PUBLIC prayer, when there are absolutely no restrictions, as there should not be, on private prayer, and a person can pray continuously in the private of their own mind if they cared so much about praying Really, but somehow that's just not adequate for people who NEED to pray publicly and try to force others to believe as they do.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:44 PM
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9. Bachmann and Paul's love child
The next anti-christ.....
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:05 PM
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10. Oh. My. God.
You just *HAD* to go there, didn't you?

I won't be able to sleep right for *weeks*.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:37 AM
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12. I know the thought of the two of them having sex is just sickening
We'll make it worse and throw Palin in for good measure.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:35 PM
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13. Okay, that's just cruel.
Bachmann Palin Overdrive!
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