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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:55 PM
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The Limits of Charisma: Mr. President, please stay off TV


The Limits of Charisma
Mr. President, please stay off TV
By Howard Fineman
September 26, 2009

If ubiquity were the measure of a presidency, Barack Obama would already be grinning at us from Mount Rushmore. But of course it is not. Despite his many words and television appearances, our elegant and eloquent president remains more an emblem of change than an agent of it. He's a man with an endless, worthy to-do list—health care, climate change, bank reform, global capital regulation, AfPak, the Middle East, you name it—but, as yet, no boxes checked "done." This is a problem that style will not fix. Unless Obama learns to rely less on charm, rhetoric, and good intentions and more on picking his spots and winning in political combat, he's not going to be reelected, let alone enshrined in South Dakota

Members of Obama's own party know who Obama is not; they still sometimes wonder who he really is. In Washington, the appearance of uncertainty is taken as weakness—especially on Capitol Hill, where a president is only as revered as he is feared. Being the cool, convivial late-night-guest in chief won't cut it with Congress, an institution impervious to charm (especially the charm of a president with wavering poll numbers). Members of both parties are taking Obama's measure with their defiant and sometimes hostile response to his desires on health care. Never much of a legislator (and not long a senator), Obama underestimated the complexity of enacting a major "reform" bill. Letting Congress try to write it on its own was an awful idea. As a balkanized land of microfiefdoms, each loyal to its own lobbyists and consultants, Congress is incapable of being led by its "leadership." It's not like Chicago, where you call a guy who calls a guy who calls Daley, who makes the call. The president himself must make his wishes clear—along with the consequences for those who fail to grant them.

Obama seems to think he'll get credit for the breathtaking scope of his ambition. But unless he sees results, it will have the opposite effect—diluting his clout, exhausting his allies, and emboldening his enemies.

That may be starting to happen. Health-care legislation is still weeks, if not months, from passage, and the bill as it stands could well be a windfall for the very insurance and drug companies it was supposed to rein in. Climate-change legislation (a.k.a. cap-and-trade) is almost certainly dead for this year, which means that American negotiators will go empty-handed to the Copenhagen summit in December —pushing the goal of limiting carbon emissions even farther into the distance. In the spring Obama privately told the big banks that he was going to change the way they do business. It was going to be his way or the highway. But the complex legislation he wants to submit to Congress has little chance of passage this year. Doing Letterman again won't help. It may boost the host's ratings, Mr. President, but probably not your own.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/216210?GT1=43002
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:55 PM
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1. LOL
:crazy:
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:12 PM
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13. "Never much of a legislator (and not long a senator)" So fucking what? We knew that when we voted.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:40 AM
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29. People go on tv several times a day every day of the week to say that Obama is on tv too much
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 08:44 AM by Empowerer
Precious.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:56 PM
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2. Oh, here he goes again -- Fineman is a jealous Washington beltway asshat
who has become increasingly gaseous. I wish *he'd* shut up for awhile.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:28 PM
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27. And, we ought to point out- one time vote "media whore of the year"
and "honor" that was well deserved at the time- thpugh he's been surpassed many times since.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:58 PM
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3. Is this the MSM's version of democracy?
Howard Fineman should get his useless ass off people's television.





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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:01 PM
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7. The corporatemediawhores don't want the people
to see PO because he's likable and wants to take our country in a direction they don't like..so he writes this article acting like a jealous prick.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:59 PM
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4. Fuck howie fineman.. President Obama is All That and I
want to see him on my tv.

howie doesn't have any problem getting his own asshole on tv all the time.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:59 PM
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5. It's the last Monday of September: "Pointless Opinion Day"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:00 PM
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6. Better believe that Fineman, whore of all whores reminds me of
a piece of shit stuck to my shoe.
All I want to do is crap him off,
so that I won't have to smell him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:03 PM
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9. "The limits of charisma"... fineman wants
some that charisma but you either have or you don't and PO has an indefatiable amount.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:01 PM
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8. We should count the number of minutes/hrs Bush got coverage and insist
that Obama get just as much.

Fuck this banal shit! This is real life, Howard, and people are dying, so STFU!!!!!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:03 PM
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10. Thanks, concern troll.
I mean Fineman, of course.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:04 PM
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11. What an idiotic piece - media experts have already advised that because of the

fragmentization of viewership that multiple appearences are only ubiquitous to people lke Howard Fineman, that if you appear on 7 different shows 95% of the people will have only seen you once.

Another Obama bashing thread that is weak on fact and analysis.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:06 PM
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12. Fineman is a turkey.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:16 PM
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14. hey fineman: maybe if the media did their job and only reported fairly on the facts....
obama wouldn't have to do the job for you!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:26 PM
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16. That's the real reason fineman wants PO off my
tv.

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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:25 PM
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15. Interesting article, but isn't Fineman missing a pretty basic point?
Love him or loathe him, Better Believe It, the most effective spokesperson for the Obama administration is, well, Obama.

So can he really be faulted for making frequent media appearances in an effort to counter all the misinformation and bullshit that is being spread about his policies, particularly healthcare reform?

Whatever you think about the substance of his policies, is it not understandable - sensible? - that he gets out there himself to defend them from right-wing lies?

That seems like a good thing to me :shrug:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:01 PM
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19. As the writer pointed out, he's left the health care matter up to Congress
Obama should have presented the major details on what he wanted to see in the health care bill when he addressed Congress.

He has to lead on this and other major issues and simply hasn't.

He let three Republican Senators write a greatly weakened stimulus bill, left the health care details up to Congress, didn't push Congress to adopt a "cramdown" proposal in legislation to help homebuyers, did nothing to assist Senators who wanted a cap on credit card interest rates and has failed to present Congress with a strong plan to re-regulate the banking and financial services industry!

That's the short list.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:15 PM
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22. Okay, but!
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 09:16 PM by Jackeens
I'm not arguing with you on the substance of his handling of health care or any other issue, I was simply addressing the general theme of the article, ie that his media "ubiquity" has been, at best, a mistake, at worst an ego trip. I just feel it has been necessary, a direct attempt on his part to counter the lies and smears (re Medicare, Death Panels, all that shit).

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:22 PM
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26. I understand your point, however, he really hasn't led like LBJ did on Medicare
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:42 AM
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31. Stop it with the LBJ "led on medicare" bullshit. He didn't need to lead all that much.
He had sympathy because of Kennedy and he actually had a LIBERAL senate. Though I'm sure you prefer to stick with your revisionist history.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:17 PM
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23. Yes, that's really touching that you and howard fineman
agree on what's best for our President.

I trust President Obama more than you or the mediawhore.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:49 AM
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32. Agreed. Obama actually knows how to get this done. All these people know how to do is complain.
They have no clue what "leadership" actually is.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:26 PM
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17. But..but..he was no where on health care a few months ago!! Now he is too many places at once!! OMG!
Really,can these asshats makes up their minds already?

The ONLY ones who are on tv too much is the beltway insider pundits. Get off MY tv, jerks.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:27 PM
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18. Isn't Fineman late for some inside-the-Beltway bullshit panel or something?
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:06 PM
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20. Even for you, reeeeaaalllllyyyy reaching.
Cut and Paste Daily Hate courtesy of the OP.


Unrec.



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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:09 PM
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21. Sounds like a guy jealous of another guy
I do think he is on TV too much. And he needs to be tougher and take stronger stances on what he wants. But this is more about the media not liking this President going around them to get the truth out. It pisses them off.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:34 PM
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24. Give me a fucking break.....
Howard Fineman makes David Broder look smart.
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Patriot 76 Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:13 PM
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25. The Limits of Charisma: Better Believe It, Please stay off DU.
Take Howard's advice.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:05 AM
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34. +10 fucking million
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:42 AM
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36. His goal is to disrupt the forums. So he's achieving his goals. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:38 PM
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40. +10 fucking Billion! :) nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:43 PM
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43. Sometimes who your enemies are says as much about you as who your friends are.
You have fans BBI! Please realize that the most posts or the loudest volume = / = the most right. :fistbump:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 07:37 AM
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28. This is how we know what they fear. n/t
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:40 AM
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30. What a crock of shit. Obama goes on a TV blitz and the message gets sold. I want him on TV EVERYDAY
And Howard Fineman's jealous ass can go get fucked.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:54 AM
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33. K and R
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:41 AM
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35. The concern trolls are mighty desperate this morning.
What a pathetic display.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:48 AM
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38. when they have to resort to fineman, it is pretty sad.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:39 PM
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41. Not only that, but it's a dupe. It was posted yesterday with a comment
from the poster that Fineman was full of shit. But BBI posts it as if it's true.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:47 AM
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37. you resort to fucking howard fineman?! whatsamatter, running out of gas?
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 02:04 PM
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39. Fineman was trying to sell this bullshit on Countdown with Lawrence O Donnell last week.
Pass.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:22 PM
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42. i can smell the fail.
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