Barack Obama has done everything humanly possible and then some

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

It is insane to suggest he has not done enough on health care reform because he is the most capable, intelligent and virtuous person to have ever held the office, thus whatever he does defines the very most any person could have done.

If he doesn't get something done then it was impossible, by definition.

Whatever health insurance reform plan gets signed will be, by definition, the best POSSIBLE plan.

[rudy23]

1. Is this sarcastic? This is unbelievable. The Barack Obama I saw, tanked it.

I'm sorry, there's nothing behind what you're saying. I saw Obama waver on the public option, and try to redefine it. I saw him approve of the Baucus bill, and send his bad cop Rahm Emannuel out to shout progressives down on the public option.

No, this stuff gives validity to those who accuse Obama supporters of being "kool aid drinkers."

[cali]

2. it's clearly sarcastic. it could hardly be clearer.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. I just wanted to post something that wasn't unrc'd in the first 5 seconds

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

29. Fail

[rudy23]

9. It's hard to tell these days.

That's exactly how the trolls want it, I'm sure.

[tridim]

3. "Strong public option"

"Strong public option"
"Strong public option"

"I will not sign a bill without a strong public option"

That is all the President has said since day one.

What are YOU drinking if not defeatist kool aid? Lie juice?

[Ineeda]

5. I, for one, still haven't given up hope. n/t

[rudy23]

7. He also defined the public option as being available only to those with no access to priv. insurance

"Strong public option" is semantics. He also told us, through Rahm Emannuel to stop pressuring Blue Dogs to vote for a "strong public option."

Well look where we are.

[ShortnFiery]

10. Translation: The insurance companies are free to financially rape the middle class ...

until we're all a part of "the working poor." Then we can fight each other over the scraps as our filthy rich legislators enjoy luxurious digs within their gated communities.

Forget "Escape from New York." It will soon be a quest to "Escape from the Corporate USA." :nuke:

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[Bluenorthwest]

14. The word option has a distinct meaning

An option is a thing that can be chosen or rejected freely among a field of choices. A thing which is a last resort, or is available only to those with no other choice, is not an option at all. Using the word to describe a non optional last ditch safety net is simply wrong, incorrect.

[DireStrike]

16. Except in his huge televised national address to both houses

Where he said "the public option pretty much doesn't matter at all".

[tridim]

17. I searched for that phrase on Google and YOU are the only person who has ever said that.

Congratulations!

Now please remove the quotes in your post. Thanks.

[DireStrike]

21. Obviously I didn't mean it literally.

Sheesh, sorry for misusing quotes.

The president threw the public option under the bus in that speech. You can't deny it.

[tridim]

23. Obviously you lied by putting quotes around a made up quote.

Your credibility is zero.

Care to apoligize for lying? Or are you just going to stick with your snarky-ass CYA response?

[DireStrike]

25. Not apologizing for something I didn't do.

I put my hedge words inside the quotes by accident. I was tired after a 9 hour shift and not thinking. Please put me on ignore, if you don't like it.

[tridim]

26. Accident my ass. You did it in an attempt to alter reality.

Open quote -> Fake Quote -> Close Quote.

I might believe you if you had used just one quote mark "by accident". Really, really lame Dire.

[DireStrike]

27. As I said, hedge word in the wrong place.

should have been "pretty much said 'x'".

Explanation complete. Believe it or don't.

[DireStrike]

28. You know what, I guess I wasn't done.

Guess I lied again. Must be habitual. Couldn't help myself if I tried.

Why the hell would I lie about something so easily disproven? What am I, sitting here in my basement, twirling my moustache and cackling as I review my fiendish plan: "Nobody on DU would ever try to fact check! Nor can they use google! Mwahahahahah!"

And having chosen to lie, why would I use something so patently unbelievable? Cuz you KNOW the president uses "pretty much" in all his policy speeches. Like, totally fer sure.

But wait, lemme guess your response. This is all just a cover for my lie. A lie that was so stupid on its face that I just had to tell it. You know, the BIG LIE. I'm Karl Rove's dark apprentice. I'm getting fat injected into my head this afternoon so I can share his visage as well as his mighty ideas!

But I do have a confession. This secondary cover was also part of my plan. It's like the matrix, just another layer of control. The entire purpose of this interaction has been to make you look foolish. Thanks for taking the bait. :sarcasm:

[Baltoman991]

19. This is

unbelievable!!!

Outright lies are allowed to stand as if they're fact.

What the President has said all along is ANY BILL HE SIGNS MUST HAVE THE PUBLIC OPTION. Period. End of story. You're made up quote is pure bullshit.

He has said before that it's only a small part of the bill and that simply means that there are many parts to reform and the po is just one small part of those many parts.

It's like the fucking twilight zone around here anymore. Lie after lie after lie posted and left to stand.

[DireStrike]

20. Obviously I didn't mean it literally.

Sheesh, sorry for misusing quotes.

The president threw the public option under the bus in that speech. You can't deny it.

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[dionysus]

6. bitterness fail.

[treestar]

12. He is a self actualized person and very successful

And not all Presidents are - consider blivet - but still, it's hard to judge him as far as performance. Now if you want to say that he is on the side of the big corporate fatcats, that might be another matter.

It just seems a waste of time to criticize his strategies, unless you have a way to get your ideas to him and some reason to believe he would consider your strategy better than his and those of his advisors - why worry about that end of it?

Just support the public option, whether to him or to your congresscritters.

He's a black man who got himself elected President of the Fucking United States of Effing America, which had Jim Crow laws in his lifetime. It will be hard to convince him that people who post on DU have a better way to do things.

He's just President and not king though. So just support what you support and yell at him to support it if he disagrees (he will listen even to those who disagree) and recall that Congress has power and go after those fuckers.

I call Sen. Carper nearly every day. Blue Dog Fuck. He's going to know I think he's a piece of shit by the end of this. Unless he votes the right way. The moran doesn't even have to worry about funding, in this dopey state anyone who runs for office after a successful election always gets re-elected. Well, it ain't all bad, that's how we got Biden.

My Congressman is a Repuke dirtbag that I don't have to worry about. The House is proportional and will support the President.

[Oregone]

13. "thus whatever he does defines the very most any person could have done"

Ok....youve up and gone off the deep end this time

[DireStrike]

15. never mind

I need to read full posts more.

[CakeGrrl]

18. The only thing I know for sure is that

whatever is done, someone here will find many faults with it, despite the fact that no one, not the Clintons, not Ted Kennedy and his years of efforts, not anyone else, has been able to make any go at it.

[Sukie]

31. Exactly. I can not remember a time in my lifetime

when the health care debate took such a prominent stage in America. Even with the Clintons, other things kept getting in the way. Obama has taken this debate further than anyone so far, and I actually have quite a lot of confidence that he will get this thing done the best that anyone can, with what he is up against in this country. No other president has been up against the vile and repugnant lies and threats as Obama has been dealt, either.

[flamingdem]

22. I bet you did not get a 20% increase in your health premiums after a 15% increase last year nt

[polichick]

24. LOL

[Butch350]

30. Damn! A voice of reason! A wise person has spoken!

Thank you! I don't see why SOME people can't grasp that idea. I think the man is doing the best he can do.

You can talk about a weiner/grayson ticket for 2012 all you want but if Barrack can't get it done than neither will they.

The people are going to have to demand it - not whine and bitch about it. It's not wise to ask someone else to wipe your
butt after you've taken a crap. The Potus can't do it by himself.

[agentS]

32. At some point Congress has to do its damn job

There's 100 Senators in the Senate and 435 Reps in the House. At some point they need to get off their asses and get a bill done! With the exception of the GOP, the other members have the brains and know-how to 'get er done'. It's time they got something done!

The president is waiting, Congress. He's holding the pen. He's finished signing your other bills.


Grow a sack, Congress, and give these men a bill they can sign before 2010! Or we'll find people who will!