OFFICIAL BUSH-KERRY DEBATE THREAD #9

[Skinner]

BUSH TALKING ABOUT "IRANIAN MOOLAHS".

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[JPJones]

1. nookular moolah n/t

[johnfunk]

2. Kerry NUKING Bush on NK nukes ON HIS WATCH

[ret5hd]

4. NUKED is the exact word.

[funkybutt]

3. that happened on this president's watch

bush points and winks at Lehrer

[freetobegay]

8. Great response!

[funkybutt]

5. twasn't plutonium! it was Uranium! ah HA!

[Skinner]

6. KERRY RAPID RESPONSE PRESS RELEASE

For Immediate Release
September 30, 2004

BUSH vs. REALITY

BUSH
Iraq wasn’t a diversion from the War on Terror

REALITY:
BUSH DIVERTED FROM WAR ON TERROR

The rush to war in Iraq took the pressure off of Bin Laden and al Qaeda. In 2002, troops from the 5th Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq. The CIA, meanwhile, was stretched badly in its capacity to collect, translate and analyze information coming from Afghanistan. US Intelligence officials said that as much as half of the intelligence

and special forces assets in Afghanistan and Pakistan were diverted to support the war in Iraq. (USA Today, 3/29/04; KnightRidder, 9/5/03)

AND BECAUSE HE DIDN’T PLAN

Secret Joint Chiefs Report: Pentagon Planners Were Not Given Enough Time. In August 2003, the Joint Chiefs of Staff prepared a secret report assessing the post-war planning for Iraq. The report blamed “setbacks in Iraq on a flawed and rushed war-planning process.” It also said “planners were not given enough time” to plan for reconstruction. (Washington Times, 9/3/03, emphasis added)

WE ARE NOW BOGGED DOWN IN IRAQ

Security in Iraq Has Continually Deteriorated. On average, U.S. forces are now being attacked well over 60 times per day. This is a 20% increase from the three months before the transfer of sovereignty. Each month since June has seen a higher death toll for American soldiers: 42 were killed in June, 54 were killed in July, 66 were killed in August, and already, more than 77 have been killed in September. In the initial invasion of Iraq, 138 American soldiers were killed; since the handover, over 239 have been killed. (Los Angeles Times, 8/31/04; Reuters, 9/3/04; Brookings Institution, “Iraq Index,” 9/29/04)

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[napi21]

7. Shrub is starting to speak faster! Must be getting pi**ed.

[Kierkegaard]

15. The wheels are coming off folks.

This clown is self-destrucing. Kerry is hitting his stride! Beautius!!!!

[Peanut Gallery]

Kerry sounds great

Very confident and relaxed

[fryguy]

9. does * even know there is a north AND south korea?

[mconvente]

10. this is great

and lehrer is favoring bush in rebuts!

[krkaufman]

11. Big . S I G H . from Bush

[A-Schwarzenegger]

12. Lehrer getting reading to invoke Mercy Rule.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

16. Hahahahaha!

[johnfunk]

13. He's yelling, "My'ponent.. we can't sanction'emanynore"

Oh YES Kerry can -- he'll make them EFFECTIVE

[drscm]

14. How can anyone vote for the spoiled boy king after this?

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[freetobegay]

You'll be surprised!

[bigpathpaul]

he agrees. it's genocide. he agrees.

[kitkatrose]

33. cuz, they suck....

;)

[kwolf68]

35. I dont know

You guys don't think Bush is doing OK?

He is a simpleton, but "perfact amuurica...its tough work....we will win" bla bla bla could work folks?

The way Kerry handled Bush on the attacking troops "wrong war wrong time" was very smart, but very subtle. To truly understand Kerry's position, you need to give it a little thought.

I don't feel as good as you guys.

[Nicholas_J]

17. I am just waiting for Bush

To say he doesnt drive a Sudan but an SUV

[RetroLounge]

18. Backdoor Draft!

Kerry is kicking chimpy ass!

KICKING ASS!!!!!!

RL

[Dudley_DUright]

19. Kerry: "We have a back door draft going on right now"

[restorefreedom]

20. Kerry is calm. cool, and collected

Shrub looks like a pissy schoolmarm

plus he is slinking into the podium

I won't even get into the water

[krkaufman]

21. Please let Kerry skewer Bush on Intl Criminal Court and Abu Ghraib

[restorefreedom]

yeah why didn't K bring it up - * gave the perfect opp.

damn

[krkaufman]

47. It would have been tough, but I wish K's team had thought of it.

We can't yet directly tie Abu Ghraib to Bush -- or at least an insufficient % of the public would swallow it in this format, so better left unsaid I guess.

[WI_DEM]

22. Good, Kerry mentioning "the back draft"

[johnfunk]

23. Have we heard ONE plan from Chimpy tonight? NO -- he has NONE!

[fryguy]

24. holy cow!!! how much water is * drinking??????

is he wearing Depends of something?

[RafterMan]

36. Again,

it's not water, it's vodka!

That explains his performance.

[fryguy]

25. holy cow!!! how much water is * drinking??????

is he wearing Depends of something?

[Girlieman]

26. I predict (re two new army divisions)

Bush will say something about paying for the two new divisions.

scumbag

[ismnotwasm]

27. Whoo hooo

He said it! Back door draft

[sonicx]

28. Bush is rolling his eyes in reaction shots...

will the pundits call him on it?...:crazy:

[pinkpops]

29. he's talking about bribe money - thinks that is their currency

[napi21]

30. Who put the sanctions on Iran?

I don't know, but Kerry said Us did it alone, and Shrub said he didn't do it!

[brooklynite]

They must have hooked Kerry up to a battery...

and shocked him every time he went over time in the rehersals His discipline is amazing!

[Kierkegaard]

39. I know!

It's remarkable. He is sharp as a razor...

[kaitykaity]

45. lol.

Oh, that's good.

Or smacked his knuckles with a hockey stick or something.

[brooklynite]

I won't hold it against him that he went to Yale?????

What kind of a joke was that supposed to be?

[brooklynite]

73. Bush broke the rules!!!

He interrupted Kerry's response.

tsk, tsk, tsk

[krkaufman]

31. Bush: Peninchillah

And biiiig pauses by Bush.

[ret5hd]

32. Jr. reduced to blaming his dad!!!

(for the sanctions on iraq)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

34. "There are already sanctions on Iran!" "The sanctions were in before

I got there!"

[johnfunk]

Shiny areas in forehead above *s eyebrow

The aluminum chlorhydrate ain't working -- he's drinking like it's happy hour at the officer's club.

[Girlieman]

37. Bush is now Kerry's bitch

He's agreeing with Kerry totally on Darfur. No disagreement. He's scared to disagree.

[fryguy]

38. i wonder how this is playing to the most important group of voters..SCOTUS

[ReadTomPaine]

LOL!

[funkybutt]

40. "the rainy season" is keeping us out of darfur - can't fight the weather

[fryguy]

can only fight in arid zones with oil.....

[Gunnyfw]

41. What????

“A free Iraq will help protect Israel”
GW Bush
Who is this fucker, the Israeli PM or president of the US?

Gunnyfw

[MooPie]

42. I'm thinking Bush's medication has caused dry mouth.

He drank all of his water and is not constantly trying to wet his mouth. This could be a side effect of psychotropic drugs.

[napi21]

43. Ohhh that's a loaded question! Shrub stalling for time.

I used to debate, that's a trick to help you get a thought.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

58. Bush can only use the one "flip flop" talking point.

He probably hasn't even read his swift boat book. At least he would have more lies to choose from.

[kskiska]

44. I have a feeling there won't be any more debates

after this train wreck.

[tjwash]

60. I agree...

...the emperor has just been stripped.

[cire4]

46. Bush now trying act compassionate

He knows hes in trouble....

[Kool Kitty]

85. Now he gets asked if Kerry has the character

to be President? And W falls back on the "sending mixed messages..." horseshit. W says there must be certainty. Even if you're dead wrong, W? Even if the facts show that you should look at the situation again and re-tool your strategy (or stratigery, as W would put it)? Stay the course even if it leads over a cliff. Kerry has the perfect answer-You can be certain and be wrong. sometimes you have to look at the facts and change tactics on the ground.

[randr]

48. Is any network other than c-span

showing a split screen?

[cire4]

CBS is periodically

[evannever]

67. NBC

[Thor_MN]

80. Occaisonally, but did you notice the height difference?!?!?!?

[A HERETIC I AM]

49. "I admire his service to our country"...I wish i now knew what that was

like"!!!!!!!


what a wank

[bigpathpaul]

62. Mexed missages. Mixed Messages. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[desertalien]

77. Mexed missages mixed messages

Over and over and over etc. How many times has he said that?

[booksenkatz]

50. Don't cry, George

[Skinner]

51. KERRY RAPID RESPONSE: BUSH v. REALITY -- NORTH KOREA

For Immediate Release
September 30, 2004

BUSH vs. REALITY

BUSH RHETORIC: HE “HOPES” HIS POLICY IN NORTH KOREA WORKS

While Bush Failed to Have a Plan, Kerry Will Make it A Priority To End Nuclear Weapons Programs In North Korea, Kerry will make it a priority to end nuclear weapons programs in states like North Korea and Iran. As President, Kerry will continue the six party negotiations, but will also be prepared to talk directly with North Korea. John Kerry would adopt a comprehensive approach based on the hard realities that confront us. While Kerry would maintain all options, including military ones, he would be willing to negotiate on a range of issues of concern to both parties, including North Korea’s concerns for its security and economic development. (NYT, 9/12/04), (Washington Post, 7/9/04) (Washington Post, 8/6/04)

North Korean Nuclear Capability Has Quadrupled Under Bush’s Watch While He Sat By and Failed to Do Anything. The Bush administration's erratic handling of the North Korean nuclear crisis has served only to create confusion and put North Korea's despotic leader, Kim Jong Il, in the driver's seat. Bush initially said he would “not tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea,” yet since he took office, North Korea’s nuclear capability has “quadrupled,” with U.S. intelligence services estimating that Pyongyang now has fuel for up to eight nuclear weapons. According to Bush Administration officials, “The United States has determined that North Korea is working on new ballistic missile systems designed to deliver nuclear warheads and that it is testing the technology by proxy in Iran.” (ABC, “This Week, 9/12/04; Christian Science Monitor, 9/15/04; Associated Press, 8/5/04; NYT, 9/12/04)

Former Bush Special Envoy to North Korea Said Bush Lacked An Effective Strategy To Deal With North Korea. “Charles Pritchard, formerly Secretary of State Colin Powell's top official dealing with North Korea, has warned for months that "the White House lacks an effective strategy to dissuade North Korea from building up its nuclear arms." Under Bush's watch, "North Korea's nuclear arsenal, which was once thought to number one or two weapons, appears to be growing substantially." According to Pritchard, the situation has deteriorated because "the administration has neither offered much of a carrot nor wielded a stick." The administration has refused to engage North Korea in direct negotiations or "put the North Koreans on notice that further developments will trigger economic sanctions or perhaps even military actions." (United Press International, 9/21/04)

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[SalmonChantedEvening]

52. Oh I loved THAT line!!

"We can't sanction em any more!!"

followed by:

"It wasn't my administration that sanctioned Iran, that was done long before I got to Washington"


So you didn't do ANYTHING? And it's not your faulty you didn't??


HELP? Time Out? Unka Karl save meeeeee


LOLOLOLOLOL

[AntiFascist]

53. "Changing positions" is sounding a bit old.....

don't you think?

[funkybutt]

54. max misages...mixed messages.....say that 3 times quickly

[Texas_Dem]

55. Shrub is a sad, pathetic little man.

The next President of the United States:

JOHN KERRY

[deadparrot]

56. * is extending the olive branch...

talking about Kerry's daughters.

"Don't kill me!"

[Girlieman]

57. Mixed messages

How many times has Bush said this?

[Kierkegaard]

EVERY response.

And he refuses to elaborate... Not gonna work this time, chimpy...

[Cybergata]

72. Bush is trying to slow things down by complimenting Kerry

He totally changed the topic.

[drscm]

You cannot lead if you send mixed messages...the same message

is important even if it is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tatiana]

Tuned in late, GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!

I agree with the poster who said this was Rainmain vs. Kerry. This is simply embarrassing for Bush and all his supporters. It's obvious who the real President on that podium is.

[Cheswick2.0]

59. mexed misages

He is really sweating it and falling apart isn't he.

[unfrigginreal]

95. LOL

When my SO heard that he says, well you know he's lying again, he's stumbling over his words.

[Danmack]

61. The depression of the freepers is truely a thing of beauty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231992/posts?q=1&&page=1401

[bushisanidiot]

"mah apponit is sending mexed missages!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

AWOL must be slurping tequilla instead of water!

[ret5hd]

mu..mu..mu..mixed messages...mixed messages

you're goin' DOWN!

[RafterMan]

63. "I just know

how this world works"

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

[arcos]

64. "I just know how this world works!"

HUH?

[johnfunk]

65. Yale joke tanked, Kerry got a laugh outta Smirk

[kitkatrose]

Can Bush* say anything other than flip-flop?

It's getting kinda old like that cheese I just threw out...

[progressivebydesign]

You forgot "it's hard work!" the other broken record.. n/t

[alarimer]

66. Again with the certainty business

Has Bush never changed his mind when he realized when he was wrong? Or does he think he is never wrong????

[progressivebydesign]

68. FLip Flop!! Get over it Bush!!

"Mixed Messages" and "it's hard work".. those are tonight's talking points..

[cal04]

69. flip flop, how did we go from Osama to saddam

[Dangerman]

86. Kerry respecting Bush daughters?

Those twin bitches?

[marigold20]

70. Maybe his Poligrip is failing

His dentures are schlipping all over the plasch.

[Dudley_DUright]

71. Shrub: "I know how this world works"

Ah no, I don't thinks so.

[SkipNewarkDE]

74. Best line of debate

"You can be certain, and be wrong."

[AbbeyRoad]

75. Bush: "I know how the world works"

That's worth a spit take.

[Maeve]

87. He doesn't have a #$%@#%@ing CLUE!

And this debate is best in a crowd (watching with Hubby and two sons who hoot and hollar!)

[realFedUp]

Bush lost it 50 minutes in....

when you have to keep repeating "it's hard work"....you're
finished.

Bush is the weakest link tonight.
Kerry could have totally wiped him out, but didn't
press when Bush was weakest.

[Jade Fox]

76. Mexed missages! HA! Putting his daughters on a leash??????

[Texas_Dem]

78. You can be certain, and be wrong.

Shrub is certainly wrong.

[texas1928]

79. Has Kerry taken a drink at all?

Bush must have a water fountain under his podium that is like his fourth or fifth glass.

[sbj405]

81. * keeps waving that pen around, i fully expect him to start

sucking on it like a pacifer

[Cerridwen]

82. * said "leash" about his daughter(s) anyone else hear it? n/t

[krkaufman]

83. K's missed a HUGE opportunity for knock-out

Bush has twice said 100,000 Iraqi troops are trained.

Posted by another here...

The total number of security trainees who have made it through the 6 week program =

*drumroll*

ZERO!!

I hope Kerry gets that in somewhere.

Exactly.Exactly.Exactly.

The 100,000 is a hard number and Kerry should've nailed him on it when he had a chance. I can't believe his team didn't have him prepped to slam the Allawi/Bush talking points from last week.

[Dudley_DUright]

84. Kerry brought up stem cell research

more to come during the domestic policy debate.

[Swamp Rat]

88. Geaux Kerry!

:kick:

[Robert Oak]

89. BAM! I have never wilted in my life

[funkybutt]

90. photoshop a pic of * with his two daughters on leashes

they'd be wearing that shiny black plastic...and he'd have on leather and spikes!! kinky

[Forge]

91. Can I be the first to say, "Home Run Kerry"

Kerry has solidly landed this debate. Bush is on the defense and Kerry keeps scoring touchdowns.

[Skinner]

92. THREAD #10 IS OPEN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x930729

[chieftain]

93. Rove has to wish that he could keep W on a leash not

the daughters .

[AntiFascist]

94. Nuclear proliferation...

not to mention the hidden plans of Bush to proliferate nukes on our behalf.